PAF JF-17 Thunder Crashed in Attock

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Tshering22

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The JF17 is operational, going on active patriols, with all these weapons intergrated.
I won't tell you the superior story, but you and we know why JF-17 was hurried into PAF without a formal induction clearance. The Pakistanis have been taking your guarantees after all the basic tests. Please note that PAF still uses F-16s and Mirage Vs for active patrols along with your supplied F-7s. JF-17 is yet t go on active sorties for patrolling.

The problem here is that neither you nor Pakistanis know what is going on in reality with the JF-17 other than the handover that CAC gave to PAF. Why? Because you don't operate it as of yet and Pakistani military doesn't tell anything to its public other than periodic ceremonial announcements.

So leaving aside superior inferior word war, I would suggest you to keep a track of present situation and cite them while putting down your active service claims. Tejas is here for all to see as transparent as any program. At least we know what is actually happening with the aircraft.

By your definition, even IAF is actively operating Tejas since the last of tests aka weapons integration tests were over around 10 months back.
 

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Because Pakistan needs the fighters fast and it is quicker to buy from Russia?

Guess it is not that obvious for some people...

Glad I can help though. :cool2:
EXACTLYYY! And now that you've said it clearly as to why JFs have been pressed into rapid service, we can peacefully close this thread.
 

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My memory about the mirage crashs is still fresh.
Well unless you've got reasonable understanding of aeronautics, I'd suggest you to consider the usage of Mirage 2000 (1980s bought, used in combat and patrol missions and nearing its service life end minus upgrade) versus a fighter that has not even completed 4 years since its 'active' deployment.

Wow... I am impressed with your comparison skills...
 

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EXACTLYYY! And now that you've said it clearly as to why JFs have been pressed into rapid service, we can peacefully close this thread.
We should have closed the thread long time ago. Without knowing the reason of why it crashed, the whole thread is pointless. Maybe your guys should stop bumping up old threads without new info. In any other forums, you receive a warning for this kind things.Here you get a clap on the shoulder. :thumb:
 

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I don't think ur PC made in SK.LOL (if it is that means ur computer is very old.LOL)
Read ur link again , u will find" state media reported."LOL
China does not have silicon industry yet. They are only in USA,Britain 1 , France 1 , Singapore and Japan.
Even any pendrive inthe world have the silicon frame from micron company based in USA.

Voager,Trancend, Cruzer blade, etc.

Chines industries apply flux , wax and solder. Then one famous thing integration.

India Embedded technology only.

China and India do have semi-conductors not wafer manufacturing.

So China and India cannot built their own computer from scratch.

Even most of Kernels written are from Europe origin even though there are some few from Banglore.
 

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ahhaha it was hidden as usual, no state media:pound:
China does not have core technology of chip manufacturing see my reply.

Example : pen drive contain wafer from a single company from USA called micron , even though brand may be different, trancend , Voayger , kingston, sandisk etc.
In china these companies bring silicon slabs from USA, these are then fitted in boxes and stick to board thats it and then a software is written to it by an Indian that is put to it in china , from mobiles to big servers every thing is same process.


When comming to chines and Indian Jet Engines , modern fighter engine core produce enormous heat that it can melt any metal , Rocket technology cannot be applied here. I think you want the plane to fly again next month too. So here some metallurgy technology is applied . Only four countries have that technology till date . USA, France , Britain , Russia dont tell chinese , Indian , Japan . WS engine , DRDO etc because they relay on these countries for technology transfer and core product transfer.

Without compressor Jet engine cannot be manufactured.





By the way a pilot of IAF and PAF should have a life insurance and health insurance as there are cases of pilot being handicap paralytic even after safe ejection .

So India and Pakistan must go for European Ejection system.

I think china , India and Pakistan must export instead of using on each other , comment on it?
 

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I can name the WS10A's flying with J11B RIGHT NOW... and with the J20's WS15, we have 3 engines that are in service or will be before 2019, how many will you have? Maybe 1, with Snecma's help perhaps?
In other words Al-31s flying with SU-27s. Shakespeare said "what's in name after all".
 

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Russian deign copy running with a Old US made engine core..

Yes, its operational..

Dont worry WS series all have core and compressor parts from NK design bureau Russia till date.

Chines Engine last for 30 hours before it needs overhaul .Russian good engine last nearly 1000 hours. French engine are good in terms of overhaul, maintenance , etc. But not suitable for other air crafts as these are airframe specific

That is why if Kaveri Engine is complete then we can be fifth country to manufacture jet engine. Problem is still ther in Crystal blades, Heat sink , core and compressor . Overhaul test need to be done which needs real test bed. Then we say total complete.
 

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wonder !!! you are wrong!!! China Started making its own microprocessor chips called GODSON and they have built a super computer using these which has Peta flops crunching capacity!!! I think they have 28nm facility!!!!
 

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wonder !!! you are wrong!!! China Started making its own microprocessor chips called GODSON and they have built a super computer using these which has Peta flops crunching capacity!!! I think they have 28nm facility!!!!
They are currently using 65nm and are trying to move towards 40 and 32nm processes. There is no 28nm process. After 32nm is 22nm followed by 14nm and then 11nm.
 

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Nothing wrong if a J 17 crashes.

The Pakistani maintenance team has a lot more to learn.

It is similar to allowing Joe the Plumber decide on Foreign Policy of the US!
 

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*50 JFT in service
*10k sorties completed as of nov 2011
*Induction on 23march 2007
*5 years passed(2months remaining)
*participated in 5 airshow (uk 2010,zhuhai 2010,izmir 2011,dubai 2011,zhuhai 2012)
*1 crash(as per eye witness the plane caught fire when it was in air.possibly due to foriegn material entry into intakes and the engine caught fire)



Is there any fighter even remotely comparable to JFT in crash history?any?


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*The fighter Must be in service because as per chinese forum alone the pt-06 has completed 1084 hour flight+)this is more than 6 months old info
than imagine the rest of 6 prototypes flight testing and the small batch production.
 

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i was just wondering is there any fighter aircraft in the world with such an impressive crash history?
if any? despite the fact that JFT has even bombed the terrorist in waziristan,participated in 5 airshow

and Most important we don't have any two seat variant for training purpose yet.and still such an impressive crash history
 

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ejection seat does't work on this fighter so it is one way flight for the pilot if problem arise.
 

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Crashes happen.

China will say poor maintenance and poor airmanship.

Pakistan will say - we have ordered and enquiry and then brush it under the carpet!
 

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I think Chines had the last laugh since Pakistani had opted for non Chinese ejection seat :rofl:
 

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A rough comparision with the rest of fighter

Years to crash ratio(YTR)

*JFT=1 crash in 5 years (YTR=0.2)
*Gripen=8 crashes in 15 years(YTR=0.5333)
*Rafale=4 crashes in 11 years(YTR=0.363)
*EFT=3 crashes in 9 years(YTR=0.333)
*SU30MKI=3 crashes in 10years(YTR=0.3)
*j-10=3 crashes in 7 years(YTR=0.4285)


add more if anyone want
 

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As of nov 2011.it must be close to 20k now..

20k and 1 crash is unbelieveable for a new platform like jft and most important no two seater variant yet hence the new pilot also fly the single seat jft

Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood informed the media that JF-17 Thunder as already completed 10,000 sorties in Pakistani service. He added that two squadrons of JF-17 are fully active with the air force and third is in process of being equipped with the thunder and it will be activated in the coming months.
 
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