P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

[jai jaganath]

MDL is expecting orders for NGD in the next 2-3 years

Do they have finalized the design
Bcoz 2-3 years us very short time if we say
If it's near we would have felt some rumours around mod or Navy by any news outlet

 

[Kuldeepm952]

MDL is expecting orders for NGD in the next 2-3 years.
Expected cost: Rs.50,000 crore for 5 destroyers.

I am more interested if the tech for these NGDs are developed in time. No fun if it's still all foreign maal. The biggest would be UVLS which is being worked by DRDO but wouldn't that also require a whole lot of new missiles for it depending on type and mission, that's what I am interested in. If any ABM role is considered like AEGIS, that would be the best. We do need something like AEGIS ships now that chinese have gone to type 52D and type 55 ships.

 

[Fatalis]

I am more interested if the tech for these NGDs are developed in time. No fun if it's still all foreign maal. The biggest would be UVLS which is being worked by DRDO but wouldn't that also require a whole lot of new missiles for it depending on type and mission, that's what I am interested in. If any ABM role is considered like AEGIS, that would be the best. We do need something like AEGIS ships now that chinese have gone to type 52D and type 55 ships.

Rest assured the NGD are being planned keeping BMD in mind.

I'm thinking it will be something akin to Japanese Navy where their Aegis vessels do BMD and other AESA equipped vessels perform escort duties.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Do they have finalized the design
Bcoz 2-3 years us very short time if we say
If it's near we would have felt some rumours around mod or Navy by any news outlet

My guess is the design showcased by the Navy during their Defence Expo 22 video is the final one.

 

[jai jaganath]

My guess is the design showcased by the Navy during their Defence Expo 22 video is the final one.

It cant be a copy of Italian design
The rear section is completely Italian as suggested earlier in this thread itself
It's for representation damn sure

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

I am more interested if the tech for these NGDs are developed in time. No fun if it's still all foreign maal. The biggest would be UVLS which is being worked by DRDO but wouldn't that also require a whole lot of new missiles for it depending on type and mission, that's what I am interested in. If any ABM role is considered like AEGIS, that would be the best. We do need something like AEGIS ships now that chinese have gone to type 52D and type 55 ships.

The most important bit, the S-band multifunction radar is already operational onboard INS Anvesh.
The L-band LTR-25 air surveillance radar is already being licensed produced by BEL.
DRDO has been working on UVLS for quite some time.
LRLACM, XRSAM are in the works.
SMART has already been developed, just it needs to be small enough to fit onboard a DDG.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

The most important bit, the S-band multifunction radar is already operational onboard INS Anvesh.
The L-band LTR-25 air surveillance radar is already being licensed produced by BEL.
DRDO has been working on UVLS for quite some time.
LRLACM, XRSAM are in the works.
SMART has already been developed, just it needs to be small enough to fit onboard a DDG.

We are quite solid on other things except the weaponry part and I am not quite sure if we are as good as on naval radars like the ground ones. Decoys/EW part is good too, underwater systems too, engines will continue to be imported unless a solid push is given by IN and MoD.
Yup, but still a long way to go, proving the new UVLS design itself would be a lengthy process and then adapting the missiles for it, new missiles might be needed considering dimensions constraint, easily a 10+ yrs endeavour to get all systems ready for induction, and that's what we are short of. In the meantime I hope we decide to put some VLSRSAM and Nirbhay vls on our P15A/B, and the upcoming P17A.

 

[Super falcon]

Looks impressive and deadly but india must have 136 VLS ship to counter Chinese type 055

But anyway looks awesome guided missile destroyer

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars

 

[cyclops]

Looks impressive and deadly but india must have 136 VLS ship to counter Chinese type 055

But anyway looks awesome guided missile destroyer

Supposedly, P-18s might have close to ~144 VLS.

Ya'll Nibbiars



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Brilliant and advanced for its time but it goes to show how far we have developed, when a modern destroyer just 1/3rd Yamato's size could sink a whole bunch of Yamato class battleships before the latter could even detect said modern destroyer.

 

[Blademaster]

Supposedly, P-18s might have close to ~144 VLS.



Brilliant and advanced for its time but it goes to show how far we have developed, when a modern destroyer just 1/3rd Yamato's size could sink a whole bunch of Yamato class battleships before the latter could even detect said modern destroyer.

Battleships couldn't even stand up to propeller planes with torpedoes. That's why USN quickly phased them out after the end of WW2. They are obsolete. Even modern day battleships would be outgunned and outranged. No what we want are stealthy cruisers with 144 to 160 missiles that can be deployed against enemy targets hundreds of miles away at mach 4-5. I am seriously thinking that we should go for submerged cruisers that can pop up and fire a salvo of missiles and then pop down before anyone can spot the cruiser. The only means of detecting the cruiser would be using sonar.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Ya'll Nibbiars



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[Corvus Splendens]

Looks impressive and deadly but india must have 136 VLS ship to counter Chinese type 055

The 055's primary duty is fleet air defense, most of it's VLS is loaded with SAMs for this purpose. It's the smaller 052 and 054 class ships that are geared for anti ship roles.

 

[Fatalis]

The 055's primary duty is fleet air defense, most of it's VLS is loaded with SAMs for this purpose. It's the smaller 052 and 054 class ships that are geared for anti ship roles.

Type 052D carries 48 SAM + 16 AShM. We can expect a similar percentage distribution for Type 055.

 

[abingdonboy]

Do they have finalized the design
Bcoz 2-3 years us very short time if we say
If it's near we would have felt some rumours around mod or Navy by any news outlet

Exactly. If the tech isn’t ready or the design isn’t finalised then they’d be better off ordering another 3-4 P15C now instead of 5 P18 5 years from now, just like with the SSK the Destroyer supply will stop within the next 2-3 years, this is criminal. There shouldn’t be any breaks in production of any type

Considering the P17A final design was shown for many years before it was even ordered it’s very doubtful they’ve finalised the P18 as of now, not even an AON exists for the type of the NGF or NGC. These are well into 2030s now

 

[flanker99]

Exactly. If the tech isn’t ready or the design isn’t finalised then they’d be better off ordering another 3-4 P15C now instead of 5 P18 5 years from now, just like with the SSK the Destroyer supply will stop within the next 2-3 years, this is criminal. There shouldn’t be any breaks in production of any type

Considering the P17A final design was shown for many years before it was even ordered it’s very doubtful they’ve finalised the P18 as of now, not even an AON exists for the type of the NGF or NGC. These are well into 2030s now

A well known navy vet in twitter told me that p17 repeat order may happen sooner than ngd but no sooner than 2-3 years.
But forgetting all thatvwhat happened to ngmv and fss

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

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God i want Indian ship girls in kantai collection thanks for reminding me again

 

[abingdonboy]

A well known navy vet in twitter told me that p17 repeat order may happen sooner than ngd but no sooner than 2-3 years.
But forgetting all thatvwhat happened to ngmv and fss

Yeah P17AU seems likely in the next 2-4 years considering this is from MDL’s CMD himself (that said no DAC sanction exists for them as of now and that’s a painfully slow process in itself)

IN really is a complete mystery to me but then all 3 services have the same slow moving car crash tendencies. IA has moved nowhere on FRCV,FICV, towed arty etc, IAF on MRFA, IMRH etc

but IN really is letting these things stack up
FSS
NGC
NGF
NGD
NGMV
FSS
SSK
LHD/LPD
IAC-2
NMRH
NUH
Minesweepers
(p75A)

Beyond 2026-7 what large vessels (over 4,000 tons) will they have in production? None of the above that’s for sure. After P17A (and 11356 kind of) they’ve completely given up

(yes they get the smallest CAPEX of the 3 services I know the standard excuses)

 

[Corvus Splendens]

God i want Indian ship girls in kantai collection thanks for reminding me again

I have no hope for Kadokawa. Manjuu might do it.

 

[jai jaganath]

Yeah P17AU seems likely in the next 2-4 years considering this is from MDL’s CMD himself (that said no DAC sanction exists for them as of now and that’s a painfully slow process in itself)

IN really is a complete mystery to me but then all 3 services have the same slow moving car crash tendencies. IA has moved nowhere on FRCV,FICV, towed arty etc, IAF on MRFA, IMRH etc

but IN really is letting these things stack up
FSS
NGC
NGF
NGD
NGMV
FSS
SSK
LHD/LPD
IAC-2
NMRH
NUH
Minesweepers
(p75A)

Beyond 2026-7 what large vessels (over 4,000 tons) will they have in production? None of the above that’s for sure. After P17A (and 11356 kind of) they’ve completely given up

(yes they get the smallest CAPEX of the 3 services I know the standard excuses)

Why haven't ngc and ngmv contract not signed wasn't that cleared
I think both the designs were also relieved right?