P-18/Next Generation Destroyer class (NGD)

[Lonewolf]

That's sad .

They should rather Fastrack it

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Anything else official found of P-18 yet? I only had this file for two years so far.

https://www.mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/tpcr.pdf

 

[Gessler]

Anything else official found of P-18 yet? I only had this file for two years so far.

https://www.mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/tpcr.pdf

NOTE: It may actually be 6 x ships.

 

[THESIS THORON]

That's sad .

They should rather Fastrack it

yeah, that is sad, navy will not induct destroyers for 1 decade

last delivery-2025

delivery of ngd -- 2035

 

[swapcv]

Ya'll Nibbiars with the emergence of BDM such large Cruiser are needed the modus operandi is different from the WW 2 battleship so can't compare it with that. And in future the Sea based BMD may become a necessity with the emergence of more anti ship or Hypersonic ballastic or cruise missiles. And need for larger terminal ABM missiles may be for the fleet defences.

You don't really need large vessels even for the role of BMD tbh, all you need is proper planning on what sort of missile you want to deploy (proximity detonating fuse type or kinetic eergy kill vehicle type), a suitable Radar and processing system which can utilize our CEC to share targeting info and increase number of ships available to intercept the intruding Ballistic Missile. US' BMDA already pioneered this concept by proving the concept aboard the APAR+SMART-L equipped De Zeven Provincien to provide tracking data for an AEGIS equipped Burke. What we need is a similar system where we can adapt our future LR-MFR for the same role and perhaps develop a miniaturized and navalized version of the Prithvi derived AAD/Ashwin (Advanced Air Defence) in a role similar to the US' SM-3. Ashwin's dimensions also make it suitable for stowage in a shipboard VLS setup. Thus I would conclude that the most prudent way to go forward would be to design Frigates and DDG's with ancillary BMD capability where in instead of having all our eggs in a few baskets, we distribute the capability amongst more hulls in order to cover a much wider area and increase probability of intercept.

 

[Vamsi]

What about NGF guys? Any news about it like estimated displacement, VLS count, Radar etc...Can we expect NGF deal to be signed before 2024?

 

[THESIS THORON]

What about NGF guys? Any news about it like estimated displacement, VLS count, Radar etc...Can we expect NGF deal to be signed before 2024?

chances to bahut kam hai .

btw ngf will be of 11ktons ??

 

[Lonewolf]

chances to bahut kam hai .

btw ngf will be of 11ktons ??

why tf 11k tons , would be near 7k tonns

 

[THESIS THORON]

why tf 11k tons , would be near 7k tonns

no, I was thinking like our current frigates and destroyers are more or less same

 

[Lonewolf]

What about NGF guys? Any news about it like estimated displacement, VLS count, Radar etc...Can we expect NGF deal to be signed before 2024?

u guys are missing ngmv and ngc , these two are basically light frigates .

 

[Haldilal]

You don't really need large vessels even for the role of BMD tbh, all you need is proper planning on what sort of missile you want to deploy (proximity detonating fuse type or kinetic eergy kill vehicle type), a suitable Radar and processing system which can utilize our CEC to share targeting info and increase number of ships available to intercept the intruding Ballistic Missile. US' BMDA already pioneered this concept by proving the concept aboard the APAR+SMART-L equipped De Zeven Provincien to provide tracking data for an AEGIS equipped Burke. What we need is a similar system where we can adapt our future LR-MFR for the same role and perhaps develop a miniaturized and navalized version of the Prithvi derived AAD/Ashwin (Advanced Air Defence) in a role similar to the US' SM-3. Ashwin's dimensions also make it suitable for stowage in a shipboard VLS setup. Thus I would conclude that the most prudent way to go forward would be to design Frigates and DDG's with ancillary BMD capability where in instead of having all our eggs in a few baskets, we distribute the capability amongst more hulls in order to cover a much wider area and increase probability of intercept.

Ya'll Nibbiars you cut carry a BMD interceptors on a smaller vessels. Need depth enough to carry and we are not putting everything on the Project 18 class destroyers.

 

[Lonewolf]

@Gessler one thing i notice is that we launch the hull without mast and then continue to build the warship in water ,but still 3 yr delay for vizag was too much . and keel laying after two years was a delay too .

shift to western engine will solve the construction delay , but bureaucratic delay remains a bottleneck

 

[Haldilal]

@Gessler one thing i notice is that we launch the hull without mast and then continue to build the warship in water ,but still 3 yr delay for vizag was too much . and keel laying after two years was a delay too .

shift to western engine will solve the construction delay , but bureaucratic delay remains a bottleneck

Ya'll Nibbiars nothing will be solved until we develop Indeginious engines.

 

[Lonewolf]

Ya'll Nibbiars nothing will be solved until we develop Indeginious engines.

supply issue will be resolved fi we shift to mt30 or lm2500 unlike zorya which is unable to supply on time

 

[Haldilal]

supply issue will be resolved fi we shift to mt30 or lm2500 unlike zorya which is unable to supply on time

Ya'll Nibbiars still the uncertainty will remain until we get license to produce or develop a Indeginious ones.

 

[Lonewolf]

Ya'll Nibbiars still the uncertainty will remain until we get license to produce or develop a Indeginious ones.

mt30 will be license produced at hal facility as per agreement

 

[India Super Power]

We will get our 1st ngd in 2032
Till then

 

[Vamsi]

Ya'll Nibbiars nothing will be solved until we develop Indeginious engines.

Kaveri derivative can theoretically achieve atleast 30MW shaft power.

 

[Dharani]

So if the contract is signed by 2027-28, add at-least 3 years before the first keel is laid and then another 6-7 years before the first ship is commissioned. So by 2038 we will surely have the first P18 commissioned. Hum sab buddhe ho jayenge tab tak.
Also by then, Kolkata class would be near end of service life. Tough to see India having more than 10 Destroyers in commission even in 2040!

 

[Lonewolf]

So if the contract is signed by 2027-28, add at-least 3 years before the first keel is laid and then another 6-7 years before the first ship is commissioned. So by 2038 we will surely have the first P18 commissioned. Hum sab buddhe ho jayenge tab tak.
Also by then, Kolkata class would be near end of service life. Tough to see India having more than 10 Destroyers in commission even in 2040!

Rr of government that they can't even place order for ships