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I wonder what is the first thing that the OFB does when they get a order for new design.
Do they consult the army folks about their needs or just start throwing shit at a AK frame and hope it sticks.
What is stepping them from designing a good rifle?
Do these mouthbreather lack skill? Money? Brain?
Can't be skill some of the best Indian Graduate go into these organisation.
Can't be money they have as much as they need.

Straight out of 1940s

This rifle's looks could be excused if it actually performed well in combat but that is not the case.
I have never seen a gun designed in 90s that had this many rivets and rugged frame. That handguard is it even effective. The Hand Grip is bland as hell.
The rifle has lived its legacy and is being retired in a span of 20 years.
Meanwhile a design from 1950s is still going strong in Pakistan army.



Are they lacking equipment? Hell even if they lack equipment this is not an excuse. Taliban churn out better designed rifles in their mud huts.

The army is to be blamed here as well they tried their hands at 5.56 and now going back 7.62 realising the former is shit at long ranges.

All of this could have been exused of it works good but no.

Now u can only see them in parades, reduced to ceremonial rifle.
 

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Straight out of 1940s

This rifle's looks could be excused if it actually performed well in combat but that is not the case.
I have never seen a gun designed in 90s that had this many rivets and rugged frame. That handguard is it even effective. The Hand Grip is bland as hell.
The rifle has lived its legacy and is being retired in a span of 20 years.
Meanwhile a design from 1950s is still going strong in Pakistan army.


I wonder what is the first thing that the OFB does when they get a order for new design.
Do they consult the army folks about their needs or just start throwing shit at a AK frame and hope it sticks.
What is stepping them from designing a good rifle?
Do these mouthbreather lack skill? Money? Brain?
Can't be skill some of the best Indian Graduate go into these organisation.
Can't be money they have as much as they need.

Are they lacking equipment? Hell even if they lack equipment this is not an excuse. Taliban churn out better designed rifles in their mud huts.

The army is to be blamed here as well they tried their hands at 5.56 and now going back 7.62 realising the former is shit at long ranges.

All of this could have been exused of it works good but no.

Now u can only see them in parades, reduced to ceremonial rifle.
we need people who are avid shooters, people with alot of experience in the shooting sports and finally people who have combat experience to consult with the scientists to come up with a good design.
 

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we need people who are avid shooters, people with alot of experience in the shooting sports and finally people who have combat experience to consult with the scientists to come up with a good design.
That all fits the Armys bill. And u know how it turned out, the Sanghi paint on INSAS was demaded by the army.
And there isn't much transparency in the procurement to know what is the process of Induction of any wepaon in the army. For instances who are the people involved, what are the parameters set and what tests are inducted.
They should publish data on the performance of various weapons in field trial before induction.

Don't know how to put this but I think top army officers are mouthbreathers who are busy maintaining theie pomshop more than attend to concerns of the soldiers.
Why else is army in such a bad shape? Somone definitely is responsible we just aren't taking names and ranks. The foot soldiers definitely aren't responsible they arent the ones sitting in offices and signing papers.
 

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Can't be skill some of the best Indian Graduate go into these organisation.
Eh ? I think its the other way round, free loading fkrs who want to work as little as possible and take home a fat paycheck with pension etc.. and an assured job. In short - reservation quota chaps are the people who make up the majority of OFB.

And yes army should have summarily rejected that hideous orange fibre ! Don't know how they could accept it when they were more than happy to scuttle arjun MBT ? Corruption much ?
 

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Wher is OFB who were claiming they can give 100 Dhanush in three months..

Where are DODOs who were so eager to grab the order of 110 ATAGS as those were lined up in their garages to be driven straight away to Rajouri...
Since IA have decided for bigger bangs then enable them to do it in styles......:daru:
 

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Created a separate sticky thread. OFB isn't a PSU so it doesn't fit in the existing threads
 

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I wonder what is the first thing that the OFB does when they get a order for new design.
Do they consult the army folks about their needs or just start throwing shit at a AK frame and hope it sticks.
What is stepping them from designing a good rifle?
Do these mouthbreather lack skill? Money? Brain?
Can't be skill some of the best Indian Graduate go into these organisation.
Can't be money they have as much as they need.

Straight out of 1940s

This rifle's looks could be excused if it actually performed well in combat but that is not the case.
I have never seen a gun designed in 90s that had this many rivets and rugged frame. That handguard is it even effective. The Hand Grip is bland as hell.
The rifle has lived its legacy and is being retired in a span of 20 years.
Meanwhile a design from 1950s is still going strong in Pakistan army.



Are they lacking equipment? Hell even if they lack equipment this is not an excuse. Taliban churn out better designed rifles in their mud huts.

The army is to be blamed here as well they tried their hands at 5.56 and now going back 7.62 realising the former is shit at long ranges.

All of this could have been exused of it works good but no.

Now u can only see them in parades, reduced to ceremonial rifle.
over and above the Reasons like red tape & bureaucracy.

simplest explanation is probably that innovation is an iterative process, and in an iterative process not all iterations fulfill the requirement, some succeed many fail, fusiliers cost money.

if the customer is not willing to fund the failures, innovation takes a hit.

In OFB’s case, they are primarily a manufacturing setup not an R&D Setup. whatever innovations they do end up doing, are from a workman’s perspective not a scientist’s point of view, hence the minor improvements over same basic design rather than any giant leap in tech.
 

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Some good news - Corporatisation of OFBs approved. Basically, OFBs will become like PSUs

"The minister said that the long pending corporatisation of the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has been approved that will enable them to cut costs and overheads for more efficient operations. She also said that the OFB factories could be listed in the markets in the near future to bring in transparency in their operations.

The corporatisation of OFBs has long being contested by staffers but the defence ministry has gone ahead with the process, with a detailed roadmap for implementation ready. Sitharaman emphasised that this does not mean a privatisation of the factories but is being done to improve performance"


 

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Ordnance Factory employees plan protest



Published May 21, 2020 | By admin SOURCE: THE HINDU Thousands of civilian employees in Ordnance Factory and the Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project Factory will send letters to the Prime Minister and Defence Minister against corporatisation of ordnance factories on May 21. On May 22, members of All India Defence Employee Federation unions will wear black badge/ ribbon to express their disapproval of the increase in working hours and freezing / scrapping of labour laws. The unions are opposed to the arbitrary decision to convert the 219-year-old state-owned Indian Ordnance Factories into a Corporation and listing it in the share market. They fear that corporatisation will affect their service conditions and future, and emphasise that the ordnance factories need to function as a government organisation in the interest of national security and defence preparedness. They intend to convey through the protests their anguish over the government decision to abolish 9,304 posts in Military Engineering Services and abolition of posts in other army units, denial of National Pension Scheme for defence employees, and the move to bring in foreign direct investment in defence. Denial of fixed term employment takes away job security and reservation in government jobs The first phase of programme opposing corporatisation of ordnance factories involving participation of 82,000 employees have been formulated by the AIDEF, Indian National Defence Workers Federation, and Bharatiya Pratiraksha Mazdoor Sangh, C. Srikumar, general secretary of AIDEF said. Depending on developments, the protest will be intensified by employees of 41 ordnance factories, he said.
 

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Ordnance Factory employees plan protest



Published May 21, 2020 | By admin SOURCE: THE HINDU Thousands of civilian employees in Ordnance Factory and the Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project Factory will send letters to the Prime Minister and Defence Minister against corporatisation of ordnance factories on May 21. On May 22, members of All India Defence Employee Federation unions will wear black badge/ ribbon to express their disapproval of the increase in working hours and freezing / scrapping of labour laws. The unions are opposed to the arbitrary decision to convert the 219-year-old state-owned Indian Ordnance Factories into a Corporation and listing it in the share market. They fear that corporatisation will affect their service conditions and future, and emphasise that the ordnance factories need to function as a government organisation in the interest of national security and defence preparedness. They intend to convey through the protests their anguish over the government decision to abolish 9,304 posts in Military Engineering Services and abolition of posts in other army units, denial of National Pension Scheme for defence employees, and the move to bring in foreign direct investment in defence. Denial of fixed term employment takes away job security and reservation in government jobs The first phase of programme opposing corporatisation of ordnance factories involving participation of 82,000 employees have been formulated by the AIDEF, Indian National Defence Workers Federation, and Bharatiya Pratiraksha Mazdoor Sangh, C. Srikumar, general secretary of AIDEF said. Depending on developments, the protest will be intensified by employees of 41 ordnance factories, he said.
Let it be there Will no one to hear there Crying now :pound:
 

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Some good news - Corporatisation of OFBs approved. Basically, OFBs will become like PSUs

"The minister said that the long pending corporatisation of the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has been approved that will enable them to cut costs and overheads for more efficient operations. She also said that the OFB factories could be listed in the markets in the near future to bring in transparency in their operations.

The corporatisation of OFBs has long being contested by staffers but the defence ministry has gone ahead with the process, with a detailed roadmap for implementation ready. Sitharaman emphasised that this does not mean a privatisation of the factories but is being done to improve performance"


The detailed roadmap for implementation has existed for a long time now even before BJP came to power. This is all talk but no walk from the government.
 

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The detailed roadmap for implementation has existed for a long time now even before BJP came to power. This is all talk but no walk from the government.
it's not like govt can do such things with just a stroke of a pen. it's a long negotiation process.
 

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