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China will receive 91% revenues from Gwadar port for 40 years

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:pound::pound::pound:I am a big fan of Brishit stand-up comedy but this shit is unbelievably funny.

Few years ago, there was a Porki on that forum who was adamant that JF-17 (a fighter aircraft) is much superior than PSLV (a launch vehicle) because of the empty weight to payload ratio.:eek1:
 

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China to get 91pc Gwadar income, minister tells Senate

ISLAMABAD: The Senate was told on Friday that 91 per cent of the revenues to be generated from the Gwadar port as part of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) would go to China, while the Gwadar Port Authority would get 9pc share in the income for the next 40 years.

This was disclosed by Federal Minister for Ports and Shipping Mir Hasil Bizenjo after senators expressed concern over the secrecy surrounding the CPEC long-term agreement plan, with many observing that the agreement tilted heavily in China’s favour.

The minister said that the agreement was based on a build-operate and transfer model spread over 40 years. That means that Pakistan will take over the operation of the port along with the infrastructure to be built on it during the period to enhance the port’s cargo-handling capacity.

However, Senator Kalsoom Parveen of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) pointed out that the agreement had not been signed on the basis of equality as had been done with India. She asked Senate Chairperson Raza Rabbani to convene a meeting of the committee of the whole of council, in which all relevant departments which signed the pact would be called. Mr Rabbani, however, pointed out that there were already two committees on the CPEC, including a Senate committee and a parliamentary panel. He advised her to take up the issue at the Senate committee on CPEC.
 

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Gwadar Port Authority would get 9pc share in the income for the next 40 years.
So even if Gwadar port becomes the Singapore port, second busiest in the world which earned around $1 billion in net profit, it'll receive around $90 million every year.

Dayum, Pakis will be rich as fuck. I am so jealous right now.:lol:

However, Senator Kalsoom Parveen of the ruling Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) pointed out that the agreement had not been signed on the basis of equality as had been done with India.
What is she talking about?
 

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I wasn't even commenting on the strategic implications of doing such a thing, my argument was primarily financial with a hint of geo politics. Doval may or may not have a say in this. We can't be sure of that.

Neither Commies nor their pet columnists have any standing in the eyes of a common voter. BJPs strategy has been clear from day 1, fuck opposition and fuck media. Electoral success trump everything and you can't get votes by doing Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai, no one can. Indians dont vote for foreign policy.
I think Hindi-China Bhai Bhai should be a very important part of Indian foreign policy. Both countries should have cooperation, like America and Canada.
 

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I think Hindi-China Bhai Bhai should be a very important part of Indian foreign policy. Both countries should have cooperation, like America and Canada.
But Canada doesn't encroach American land...Neither does it try 2 sabotage U.S's influence,economy and dominance...Yes,we need to have good trade relations with all nations except bhikaristan,which don't have anything 2 trade...But,we need to have a keen eye over the Chinkese foreign policy nd the steps they make,considering their traitorous past...If china really desires a good and healthy relation with India,it'd have already solved the border dispute,supported us at the U.N and most importantly,gained our trust...They want 2 drag the border issue,support bhikaristan nd keep it engaged with us...They couldn't watch an Indian Century, don't want an Indo-Pacific.
 

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But Canada doesn't encroach American land.
..Neither does it try 2 sabotage U.S's influence,economy and dominance...Yes,we need to have good trade relations with all nations except bhikaristan,which don't have anything 2 trade...But,we need to have a keen eye over the Chinkese foreign policy nd the steps they make,considering their traitorous past...If china really desires a good and healthy relation with India,it'd have already solved the border dispute,supported us at the U.N and most importantly,gained our trust...They want 2 drag the border issue,support bhikaristan nd keep it engaged with us...They couldn't watch an Indian Century, don't want an Indo-Pacific.
"But Canada doesn't encroach American land.
..Neither does it try 2 sabotage U.S's influence, economy and dominance" Canada and America both had a very bitter past. Canada and America were a battlefield for French, Dutch, British, Mexican and Irish. A long history of battles and fights, ultimately they learned from their losses they can't succeed unless they are united. They learned from their history, we didn't. As far as the economy is concerned they have learned they can only grow when they are together, that is an inbuilt part of their economic philosophy.

"Yes,we need to have good trade relations with all nations except bhikaristan,which don't have anything 2 trade."

This sort of mind setting is dangerous, unless and until we don't have peace in our neighborhoods we won't succeed.

"But,we need to have a keen eye over the Chinkese foreign policy nd the steps they make,considering their traitorous past..."

Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai is the answer to this question.

"If china really desires a good and healthy relation with India,it'd have already solved the border dispute,supported us at the U.N and most importantly,gained our trust.."
China wants same from us.
 

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"But Canada doesn't encroach American land.
..Neither does it try 2 sabotage U.S's influence, economy and dominance" Canada and America both had a very bitter past. Canada and America were a battlefield for French, Dutch, British, Mexican and Irish. A long history of battles and fights, ultimately they learned from their losses they can't succeed unless they are united. They learned from their history, we didn't. As far as the economy is concerned they have learned they can only grow when they are together, that is an inbuilt part of their economic philosophy.

"Yes,we need to have good trade relations with all nations except bhikaristan,which don't have anything 2 trade."

This sort of mind setting is dangerous, unless and until we don't have peace in our neighborhoods we won't succeed.

"But,we need to have a keen eye over the Chinkese foreign policy nd the steps they make,considering their traitorous past..."

Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai is the answer to this question.

"If china really desires a good and healthy relation with India,it'd have already solved the border dispute,supported us at the U.N and most importantly,gained our trust.."
China wants same from us.
The case is entirely different compared 2 Canada&U.S...Both are progressive democracies...Though they have issues regarding territories and fought intense wars,they at last decided to be friendly neighbors which is mutually beneficial...It is not the case with India&Pakistan,though...India is a progressive nation,nd Pakistan isn't....We need to ACCEPT it....They r simply jealous at our progress,culture,history nd power though they claim religion is the barrier...Y don't u understand why they've been hating us from the beginning?We have offered a hand of friendship a Gazillion times...What did they do in Kargil and Uri???U r having a wrong perception abt Indo-Pak relations brother...They don't change as long as they survive as a nation...E.Pakistan came to track nd started friendship with India ONLY after formation of Bangladesh....Chinese ppl r not our problem,they were denied even fundamental rights by their govt....The adversary is the Communist Govt...But in Pakis case,the ppl themselves have deep rooted animosity towards India...I used to vouch for Peace with Pakistan nd China,but the history says it all...So,say no to Hindi-Chini bhai bhai....Only Hindi-Chini Business Business....It is better for both nations.
 

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The case is entirely different compared 2 Canada&U.S...Both are progressive democracies...Though they have issues regarding territories and fought intense wars,they at last decided to be friendly neighbors which is mutually beneficial...It is not the case with India&Pakistan,though...India is a progressive nation,nd Pakistan isn't....We need to ACCEPT it....They r simply jealous at our progress,culture,history nd power though they claim religion is the barrier...Y don't u understand why they've been hating us from the beginning?We have offered a hand of friendship a Gazillion times...What did they do in Kargil and Uri???U r having a wrong perception abt Indo-Pak relations brother...They don't change as long as they survive as a nation...E.Pakistan came to track nd started friendship with India ONLY after formation of Bangladesh....Chinese ppl r not our problem,they were denied even fundamental rights by their govt....The adversary is the Communist Govt...But in Pakis case,the ppl themselves have deep rooted animosity towards India...I used to vouch for Peace with Pakistan nd China,but the history says it all...So,say no to Hindi-Chini bhai bhai....Only Hindi-Chini Business Business....It is better for both nations.
As far as South Asia is concerned, all the seeds of hatred were spread by the British empire. They wanted to make money from their military-industrial complexes. One formula for them was divide and rule, which worked for them very well. The way they divided South Asia, the same way they divided Africa and Middle-east. Now look at the map, all three regions South Asia, Africa, and Middle-east are buying ammunition from their military-industrial complex. Rest of the three regions where Britishers thought to live was Australia, Canada, and America. There they set up their military-industrial complexes and selling it to the world.
If this is clear then move to South Asia, two-nation theory and independence struggle was all a BS. Britishers had found a more profitable way to make money. They were racist, they didn't like black or brown people. They sow the seeds of hatred and left the region. We all are buying ammunition worth of a couple of dollars in millions of dollars.

They are simply paying commission to our political leaders to keep on working on their agenda. They called it strategic interest. That is just monetary interest.

We need to do is to expand our cooperation with our neighboring countries. Cooperation, friendship and unity should be our strategy.
 

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As far as South Asia is concerned, all the seeds of hatred were spread by the British empire. They wanted to make money from their military-industrial complexes. One formula for them was divide and rule, which worked for them very well. The way they divided South Asia, the same way they divided Africa and Middle-east. Now look at the map, all three regions South Asia, Africa, and Middle-east are buying ammunition from their military-industrial complex. Rest of the three regions where Britishers thought to live was Australia, Canada, and America. There they set up their military-industrial complexes and selling it to the world.
If this is clear then move to South Asia, two-nation theory and independence struggle was all a BS. Britishers had found a more profitable way to make money. They were racist, they didn't like black or brown people. They sow the seeds of hatred and left the region. We all are buying ammunition worth of a couple of dollars in millions of dollars.

They are simply paying commission to our political leaders to keep on working on their agenda. They called it strategic interest. That is just monetary interest.

We need to do is to expand our cooperation with our neighboring countries. Cooperation, friendship and unity should be our strategy.
Watever the reason might be or whoever might be responsible,the Porkis have an official policy of Bleeding us with a Thousand Cuts...No neighbour who wishes peace would think dat way...I agree,common pakistani citizens don't care abt India...But,they r prone 2 radicalization nd doesn't think rationally for even a sec...Islam is everything for them,they can't watch Hindustan survive....We can do nothing but just offer a hand of friendship every couple of yrs nd get ditched by those dickheads...Afterall we r Indians,the peaceful lot among earthlings.
 

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Re: China to get 91% Gwadar income

Many of u seem to have a skewed attention. IF there were no port build-up, or no traffic through the port, or no Free Trade Zone whatsoever, how comes income? Then nor would there be any income sharing to speak of, needless to mention employment or tax revenue. As in any partnership, stakeholders shall be highly motivated to advance the joint venture (not charity for sure). As for the sharing ratio, 91% or 19% depends on one's contribution, capabilities and negotiating strength. Furthermore as a flagship project, other potential investors are observing how the risk-taking champion (China) is faring, and how Pakistanis are honoring the deal to assess whether they'd put their chips in too.

The same rule applies to Chabahar Port, which India and Iran are constructing.

Now here comes the same scrutiny - what is the income breakdown between India and Iran? How much progress have both countries made in Chabahar port build-up and operations?



Contrary to the above poster, it's wise to make a forecast for Chahabar.
 

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Re: China to get 91% Gwadar income

Many of u seem to have a skewed attention. IF there were no port build-up, or no traffic through the port, or no Free Trade Zone whatsoever, how comes income? Then nor would there be any income sharing to speak of, needless to mention employment or tax revenue. As in any partnership, stakeholders shall be highly motivated to advance the joint venture (not charity for sure). As for the sharing ratio, 91% or 19% depends on one's contribution, capabilities and negotiating strength. Furthermore as a flagship project, other potential investors are observing how the risk-taking champion (China) is faring, and how Pakistanis are honoring the deal to assess whether they'd put their chips in too.

The same rule applies to Chabahar Port, which India and Iran are constructing.

Now here comes the same scrutiny - what is the income breakdown between India and Iran? How much progress have both countries made in Chabahar port build-up and operations?



Contrary to the above poster, it's wise to make a forecast for Chahabar.
Haha... very funny Amoy.

You and your skewed logic.

No doubt that you've funded Gwadar port. The interest rates were very high when compared to IMF or WB. Yes, I can understand that. When you invest in high risk environment, then obviously investors look for quick rate of return.

But if you charge 91% of the profits, then it is unfair. Now how do you expect anyone to pay back.

I understand that China has no intention of getting it's investment, rather it is interested in the strategic location. We know what you've done with Sri Lanka. We stopped you doing similar stuff in Nepal.

Most of us in the forum follow how CPEC and other projects are going on. We know the situation, if you want a refresher go through the last three pages.

World is also observing the risk taking champion, though you may brag about many countries showing interest in CPEC or BRI, would you mention their contribution or their interest in funding in at least one project listed in CPEC or BRI!?

Coming to Chabahar, yes we're funding it. Definitely the rates are well below to what China has offered to Sri Lanka or Pakistan. Coming to income breakdown, I'd be really happy if India gets 50% of the income split for next 25 years.

You know what, everyone is not as greedy as China. My friend, there is one golden rule of business..."Never rob your business partner." And China has a habit of doing it in broad daylight.
 

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Watever the reason might be or whoever might be responsible,the Porkis have an official policy of Bleeding us with a Thousand Cuts...No neighbour who wishes peace would think dat way...I agree,common pakistani citizens don't care abt India...But,they r prone 2 radicalization nd doesn't think rationally for even a sec...Islam is everything for them,they can't watch Hindustan survive....We can do nothing but just offer a hand of friendship every couple of yrs nd get ditched by those dickheads...Afterall we r Indians,the peaceful lot among earthlings.
Here we are building a narrative. The problem with a narrative is, it always has an anti-narrative.

We read and analyze history based on which side we are. Simply change side and history look very different.
Just suppose you were born in Pakistan. You have seen at partition your country is not given a fair share. Then in 1971 half of your country is again divided by your neighbor and they are celebrating their victory. What will be your feeling then?

Even when I gave the example of Britishers, I didn't mean to degrade them. All the invaders do the same. They used the formula of divide and rule. Occupy the country and then leave the country after dividing it and still making it as your colony. Suppose you were Britisher, what would be thinking, it is your victory or something else?

Analysis of history is very relative, based on what side you are on. Mature thing is we should learn some lesson from history and move on.
 

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Dangerous if the project actually materialises. May be disasterous for the ecology also.

This should happen with India.

We are good boys you know.
We have a good image and we don't break rules.

let other's do it but we are peace lovers.
 

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Not related to cpec directly but worth a peek.

Arunachal river turns black, officials blame China













Slag in Siang water.
HIGHLIGHTS
  • Siang is the principal constituent river of the Brahmaputra and flows for 1,600 km through southern Tibet
  • Water samples have been collected by the Central Water Commission
  • The river water, containing large volumes of heavy slag, is no longer fit for consumption
GUWAHATI: The crystal clear waters of the Siang river, considered the lifeline of northern Arunachal Pradesh for centuries, has suddenly turned dark black triggering panic in the frontier state.

The East Siang district authorities have pressed the alarm bell as the water of the river, containing large volumes of heavy slag, is no longer fit for consumption. "The water can't be used for any purpose because it contains a cement-like thick material. A lot of fish died one-and-half months ago," said East Siang district deputy commissioner Tamyo Tatak.

He added, "In the last monsoon season, the river turned dark and we thought that it was because of mud being carried by the river. The rainy season is long over but the river water is still black. From November to February, the water is crystal clear and pure. Even my grandfather has never seen or heard of such a thing happening to the waters of the Siang."

Tatak said water samples have been collected by the central water commission and China is the primary suspect."It seems that some major cement work is on in the upper reaches of the river in China ... may be China is carrying out some deep water boring work. What else could be the reason for such a big river, which becomes the Brahmaputra, remaining black in colour for nearly two months," Tatak said. The Siang is the principal constituent river of the Brahmaputra and flows for 1,600 km through southern Tibet as the Yarlung Tsangpo or Yarlung Zangbo before entering India.

Siang is also known as Dihang in India, which joins the Lohit after flowing for 230 km. The Dibang joins at about 35 km downstream of Pasighat in East Siang district to form the Brahmaputra. Tatak said he has submitted an independent report to the Arunachal government describing the situation.

India's worst fears are from Chinese plans to dig a 1000-km tunnel, the world's longest, to divert the Yarlung Tsangpo river from Tibet to Taklimakan Desert in Xinjiang. However, China has denied having any such plans.
 

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Not related to cpec directly but worth a peek.

Arunachal river turns black, officials blame China













Slag in Siang water.
HIGHLIGHTS
  • Siang is the principal constituent river of the Brahmaputra and flows for 1,600 km through southern Tibet
  • Water samples have been collected by the Central Water Commission
  • The river water, containing large volumes of heavy slag, is no longer fit for consumption
GUWAHATI: The crystal clear waters of the Siang river, considered the lifeline of northern Arunachal Pradesh for centuries, has suddenly turned dark black triggering panic in the frontier state.

The East Siang district authorities have pressed the alarm bell as the water of the river, containing large volumes of heavy slag, is no longer fit for consumption. "The water can't be used for any purpose because it contains a cement-like thick material. A lot of fish died one-and-half months ago," said East Siang district deputy commissioner Tamyo Tatak.

He added, "In the last monsoon season, the river turned dark and we thought that it was because of mud being carried by the river. The rainy season is long over but the river water is still black. From November to February, the water is crystal clear and pure. Even my grandfather has never seen or heard of such a thing happening to the waters of the Siang."

Tatak said water samples have been collected by the central water commission and China is the primary suspect."It seems that some major cement work is on in the upper reaches of the river in China ... may be China is carrying out some deep water boring work. What else could be the reason for such a big river, which becomes the Brahmaputra, remaining black in colour for nearly two months," Tatak said. The Siang is the principal constituent river of the Brahmaputra and flows for 1,600 km through southern Tibet as the Yarlung Tsangpo or Yarlung Zangbo before entering India.

Siang is also known as Dihang in India, which joins the Lohit after flowing for 230 km. The Dibang joins at about 35 km downstream of Pasighat in East Siang district to form the Brahmaputra. Tatak said he has submitted an independent report to the Arunachal government describing the situation.

India's worst fears are from Chinese plans to dig a 1000-km tunnel, the world's longest, to divert the Yarlung Tsangpo river from Tibet to Taklimakan Desert in Xinjiang. However, China has denied having any such plans.
Soviet scum destroyed central asia with mindless dam and tunnel and their Chinki brother trying to outplay them in that section
 

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