NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect

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sir, how a defence professional was allowed for private practice, run his own consultancy in US? :ranger:

also, its not the case that a chinese intelligence doing spying in US, no. he, in fact, tried to get bit more out of his own work, while working in US, running his own firm and paying tax on that money, he might have received from his chinese client .....

here, is B-2 bomber the first stealth aircraft of US? :ranger:
 
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sir, how a defence professional was allowed for private practice, run his own consultancy in US? :ranger:

also, its not the case that a chinese intelligence doing spying in US, no. he, in fact, tried to get bit more out of his own work, while working in US, running his own firm and paying tax on that money, he might have received from his chinese client .....

here, is B-2 bomber the first stealth aircraft of US? :ranger:
He was an engineer in the US. He would not be de facto a defence professional in its truest sense. He was working for a commercial company and he had security clearance.

After retirement, one can work anywhere I presume.

It would have been prudent of the US Intelligence to keep those who retire from high classified jobs under surveillance for some time to check his activities.
 
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He was an engineer in the US. He would not be de facto a defence professional in its truest sense. He was working for a commercial company and he had security clearance.

After retirement, one can work anywhere I presume.

It would have been prudent of the US Intelligence to keep those who retire from high classified jobs under surveillance for some time to check his activities.

hmmm, its now very hard to keep tracking all the professionals from different firms. we have many MNCs who just try to hire professionals of their competitors on higher salary, mainly the Indian origins working for a foreign company and wish to back. chinese firms are, in fact, master in doing so, and the firms based in ASEAN region are itself no fair in this regard....

we do need to sign a commitment not to join a similar firms for a certain period of time, if leave the job. but on ground, its now very hard to track the former professionals......

but in defence area, certainly its an issue of national security, and there must be enough reasons behind punishment of this gentleman :thumb:
 

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Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished

BANGALORE: It is students from IIM-Bangalore, not from Harvard or Stanford or even MIT, who excel at GMAT, the entrance test for the creme de la creme of B-schools across the world.

According to the QS Global 200 Business Schools report, Indian MBA candidates are the world's most academically distinguished, with students of the IIM-B, scoring the highest average of 780. :tup: IIM-B students are ahead of the leading US institution Stanford and INSEAD in Europe, the survey said.

While the average GMAT score of Stanford is 730, INSEAD lies at 704. Second to IIM-B students in GMAT score are their counterparts from IIM, Ahmedabad with 767. :india:


The survey says, "IIM Ahmedabad is notable for the extraordinarily high average GMAT scores of its students, with its figure of 767 exceeded only by fellow Indian institution, IIM Bangalore (780). This places the two ahead of any North American or European school for the academic quality of their student intake. The fact that students enrolled at both schools have an average of just two years of professional experience underlines the tendency for academically gifted students to move quickly on to the MBA qualification at the outset of their careers, rather than using it to up-skill at mid career, as is more common in Europe and North America."

IIM-B also appears in the survey as one of the emerging global business schools across the world, overtaking Melbourne Business School.

"It is the testimony to high quality talent that our country has. It is no surprise that Indian students have outscored others from across the globe. What is needed now is the establishment of premier institutes like Harvard and Stanford in India as well, so that these young minds could express their intelligence in best possible manner. This is possible only when full autonomy is provided to the universities," said T V Mohandas Pai, chairman, Manipal Global Education Services.

"At the time of independence, our universities at Mumbai, Chennai, Calcutta, Mysore and Baroda were among the top 200 in the world. Today, they do not fare in any ranking at all. This is the result of bad government policy. Full autonomy, independent board of governors and focus on research are the factors crucial for a good university," said Pai.

The colleges were also judged on different subjects under their programme. In corporate social responsibility, IIM-B ranked 21 among the top 50 business colleges across the globe, whereas IIM-A grabbed 19th rank. :coffee:

When it comes to emphasis on start-ups and small businesses to kick-start private sector growth ( entrepreneurship), IIM-B ranked 25 and IIM-A ranked 17. Under 'innovation', IIM-B was placed at 17th with a score of 90.6, whereas IIM-A ranked 13, with a score of 97.4 out of 100.

QS is an online and offline meeting place for aspiring managers, B-schools and businesses for career and educational -related decisions.

Many leaders in India

For the leadership development programme, four colleges from India feature among top 50 universities. They are: IIM-A, IIM-B, IIM-C and Indian School of Business (ISB).:tup:

Highlights of the survey

Schools ranked for employer reputation in 10 subject specializations. Harvard tops the table in three subjects, ahead of Stanford and MIT with two apiece. Wharton is number one for finance

Three Asian schools make the Elite global category: INSEAD Singapore, IIM-A and NUS Business School, National University of Singapore

No Elite Global schools in either Africa and Middle East, or Latin America :facepalm:

Indian MBA students world's most academically distinguished: Survey - The Times of India

//timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Indian-MBA-students-worlds-most-academically-distinguished-Survey/articleshow/17749898.cms

Indian Americans: The New Model Minority - Forbes
02.24.09

The 2008 election barely ended before the GOP began touting the presidential prospects of Louisiana Gov. Piyush "Bobby" Jindal, the son of Indian immigrants. Tuesday, Jindal becomes the new face of his party when he delivers the official Republican response to President Obama's speech to Congress. Whether or not he actually runs for president in 2012, Jindal symbolizes a remarkable but rarely discussed phenomenon--the amazing success of Indian Americans in general, and what that success says about our immigration policy.

Most Americans know only one thing about Indians--they are really good at spelling bees. When Sameer Mishra correctly spelled guerdon last May to win the 2008 Scripps National Spelling Bee, he became the sixth Indian-American winner in the past 10 years. Finishing second was Sidharth Chand. Kavya Shivashankar took fourth place, and Janhnavi Iyer grabbed the eighth spot. And this was not even the banner year for Indian Americans--in 2005, the top four finishers were all of Indian descent.

It's tempting to dismiss Indian-American dominance of the spelling bee as just a cultural idiosyncrasy. But Indian success in more important fields is just as eye-catching. Despite constituting less than 1% of the U.S. population, Indian-Americans are 3% of the nation's engineers, 7% of its IT workers and 8% of its physicians and surgeons. The over-representation of Indians in these fields is striking--in practical terms, your doctor is nine times more likely to be an Indian-American than is a random passerby on the street.

Indian Americans are in fact a new "model minority." This term dates back to the 1960s, when East Asians--Americans of Chinese, Japanese and Korean descent--were noted for their advanced educations and high earnings. :truestory:

East Asians continue to excel in the U.S, but among minority groups, Indians are clearly the latest and greatest "model." In 2007, the median income of households headed by an Indian American was approximately $83,000, compared with $61,000 for East Asians and $55,000 for whites. :ranger:

About 69% of Indian Americans age 25 and over have four-year college degrees, which dwarfs the rates of 51% and 30% achieved by East Asians and whites, respectively. Indian Americans are also less likely to be poor or in prison, compared with whites.

So why do Indian Americans perform so well? A natural answer is self-selection. Someone willing to pull up roots and move halfway around the world will tend to be more ambitious and hardworking than the average person. But people want to come to the U.S. for many reasons, some of which--being reunited with other family members, for example--have little to do with industriousness. Ultimately, immigration policy decides which kinds of qualities our immigrants possess.

Under our current immigration policy, a majority of legal immigrants to the U.S. obtain green cards (permanent residency) because they have family ties to U.S. citizens, but a small number (15% in 2007) are selected specifically for their labor market value. The proportion of Indian immigrants given an employment-related green card is one of the highest of any nationality. Consequently, it is mainly India's educated elite and their families who come to the U.S.

The success of Indian Americans is also often ascribed to the culture they bring with them, which places strong--some would even say obsessive--emphasis on academic achievement. Exhibit A is the spelling bee, which requires long hours studying etymology and memorizing word lists, all for little expected benefit other than the thrill of intellectual competition.

But education and culture can take people only so far. To be a great speller--or, more importantly, a great doctor or IT manager--you have to be smart. Just how smart are Indian Americans? We don't know with much certainty. Most data sets with information on ethnic groups do not include IQ scores, and the few that do rarely include enough cases to provide interpretable results for such a small portion of the population.

The only direct evidence we have comes from the 2003 New Immigrant Survey, in which a basic cognitive test called "digit span" was administered to a sample of newly arrived immigrant children. It is an excellent test for comparing people with disparate language and educational backgrounds, since the test taker need only repeat lengthening sequences of digits read by the examiner. Repeating the digits forward is simply a test of short-term memory, but repeating them backward is much more mentally taxing, hence a rough measure of intelligence.

When statistical adjustments are used to convert the backward digit span results to full-scale IQ scores, Indian Americans place at about 112 on a bell-shaped IQ distribution, with white Americans at 100. 112 is the 79th percentile of the white distribution. For more context, consider that Ashkenazi Jews are a famously intelligent ethnic group, and their mean IQ is somewhere around 110. :ranger:

Given the small sample size, the rough IQ measure and the lack of corroborating data sets, this finding of lofty Indian-American intelligence must be taken cautiously. Nevertheless, it is entirely consistent with their observed achievement.

The superior educational attainment, academic culture and likely high IQ of Indian Americans has already made them an economic force in the U.S., and that strength can only grow. :truestory: Does this continuing success imply they will become a political force? Here, Gov. Jindal is actually a rarity. Indians are still underrepresented in politics, and they do not specialize in the kinds of fields (law and finance) most conducive to political careers. Time will tell if they are able to convert economic power into serious political influence, as a Jindal presidency could.

A much clearer implication of Indian-American success is that immigrants need not be unskilled, nor must their economic integration take generations to achieve. In sharp contrast to Indian Americans, most U.S. immigrants, especially Mexican, are much less wealthy and educated than U.S. natives, even after many years in the country. :tup:

A new immigration policy that prioritizes skills over family reunification could bring more successful immigrants to the U.S. By emphasizing education, work experience and IQ in our immigration policy, immigrant groups from other national backgrounds could join the list of model minorities.

There is nothing inevitable about immigration. Who immigrates each year is a policy decision, free to be modified at any time by Congress. Constructing new legislation is always difficult, but I propose a simple starting point for immigration selection: Anyone who can spell guerdon is in! :thumb:

forbes.com/2009/02/24/bobby-jindal-indian-americans-opinions-contributors_immigrants_minority.html

Indian Americans

its simple that a nation is made by its people, who may develop new technologies and improve the existing ones. nothing came from sky and nothing will ever come from sky, and we need those people who may make the nation proud from their knowledge/talent/ performance.

Indian migrants are those who pay very high tax as they fall in very high income bracket, least dependent on the Welfare and the least crime rate is registered from this community living in US/EU. many Indians came under business visa after investment in US/west itself, while most of them are very high qualified and are part of developing technologies to run the US's firms, and are doctors/ CA/ including business professionals (MBAs) too, to help them run businesses etc.:truestory:

the meaning of high end educated people is much more than the amount of taxes they pay
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we are discussing this topic in the thread as below too.
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/65637-hindu-americans-rank-top-education-income-2.html
 
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He was an engineer in the US. He would not be de facto a defence professional in its truest sense. He was working for a commercial company and he had security clearance.

After retirement, one can work anywhere I presume.

It would have been prudent of the US Intelligence to keep those who retire from high classified jobs under surveillance for some time to check his activities.

sir, in my last post#44, im only surprised with French INSEAD, the only EU's institute whose average GMAT score estimated at over 700+, as rest of US's and UK's average GMAT scores is high because of those International Students getting admission there under scholarship program :ranger:

(US's society isn't aware of the level of competition we have in developing countries like India, they simply can't face competitive exams like us :wave:)

I dont think the average of American students getting admission there would cross even 400 mark in GMAT/GRE admissions :nono:. being an engineer/doctor, and being competent enough, is two different issues ...

they simply can't sit with competition with the International student getting admission there under scholarship programs.....

Indian-Americans top in income and education

WASHINGTON: Indian Americans are the highest-income and best-educated people in the United States and the third largest among Asian Americans who have surpassed Latinos as the fastest-growing racial group, according to a new survey.

Asians as a whole too are better educated and earn more than the general US population, according to the Pew Research Centre report on "The rose of Asian Americans" released Tuesday.

Indians, who now number 3.18 millions, the third largest after the Chinese (4 million) and the Filipinos (3.4 million) have a median household annual income of $88,000, much higher than for all Asians ($66,000) and all US households ($49,800). :ranger:

Median annual personal earnings for Indian-American full-time, year-round workers are $65,000, significantly higher than for all Asian Americans ($48,000) as well as for all US adults ($40,000).

Seven-in-ten (70 per cent) Indian Americans ages 25 and older, have obtained at least a bachelor's degree; this is higher than the Asian-American share (49 per cent) and much higher than the national share (28 per cent), the survey found.

More than half of Indian Americans (57 per cent) own a home, compared with 58 percent of Asian Americans overall and 65 percent of the US population overall.

The share of adult Indian Americans who live in poverty is 9 per cent, lower than the rate for all Asian Americans (12 per cent) as well as the national rate (13 per cent).

Indian Americans stand out from most other US Asian groups in the personal importance they place on parenting; 78 per cent of Indian Americans say being a good parent is one of the most important things to them personally.

Indian Americans are among the most likely to say that the strength of family ties is better in their country of origin (69 per cent) than in the US (8 per cent).

Compared with other US Asian groups, Indian Americans are the most likely to identify with the Democratic Party; 65 per cent are Democrats or lean to the Democrats, 18 per cent are Republican or lean to the Republicans, the Pew Survey found.

And 65 per cent of Indian Americans approve of President Barack Obama's job performance, while 22 per cent disapprove.

Key Findings:

Indian Americans are more evenly spread out than other Asian Americans. About 24 per cent of adult Indian Americans live in the West, compared with 47 per cent of Asian Americans and 23 per cent of the US population overall.

More than three-in-ten (31 per cent) Indian Americans live in the Northeast, 29 per cent live in the South, and the rest (17 per cent) live in the Midwest.

Nearly nine-in-ten (87 per cent) adult Indian Americans in the United States are foreign born, compared with about 74 per cent of adult Asian Americans and 16 percent of the adult US population overall.

More than half of Indian-American adults are US citizens (56 per cent), lower than the share among overall adult Asian population (70 per cent) as well as the national share (91 per cent).

More than three-quarters of Indian Americans (76 per cent) speak English proficiently, compared with 63 per cent of all Asian Americans and 90 per cent of the US population overall.

The median age of adult Indian Americans is 37, lower than for adult Asian Americans (41) and the national median (45).

More than seven-in-ten (71 per cent) adult Indian Americans are married, a share significantly higher than for all Asian Americans (59 per cent) and for the nation (51 per cent).

The share of unmarried mothers was much lower among Indian Americans (2.3 per cent) than among all Asian Americans (15 per cent) and the population overall (37 per cent).:ranger:

ndtv.com/article/world/indian-americans-top-in-income-and-education-233757
 
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. @Ray

sir, we find Indians rising in world, mainly powered by their cultural background. hence i think, the post as below may also have a place here :thumb:

Major Benefits of Inviting Western Culture :facepalm:

Certain Fate of Generation of Casual Sex

and from my side, I have advised rulers of UK/Australia that the only skill I saw in their women is, they are very good is doing sex with different men, even if more than 70% Australian born women are not even class 10th pass. and as their common men are hardly labor, and also as prostitution is illegal in India but now American British women like Sunny Leone/ Katrina Kaif may now come to India. hence, I would advise them to start sending their Western women to India for prostitution, in the same way as this American Sunny Leone to help the British Economy this way. and the only advantage India will have, it will then reduce price of British/Australian sex workers, common Western girls coming to India, for the range of hardly $50 to $100, (upto Rs5000 only this way). hence, first prostitution is illegal in India so this requirement may be fulfilled by the Western women this way. and after having a look on the current social and economic state of even a "Porn Star" like Sunny Leone, Indian society as a whole may learn a good lesson for their future generation. giving a lesson for Indian Common families, how to Empower their people, either men or women :thumb:
(rates of these British women is already less than 70 ponds at present, which has further come down since the recent recession, as per the article as below :facepalm:

A British MP's wife works as a prostitute charging 70 pounds "for oral sex without a condom followed by full sex with a condom", said a media report here. :ranger::

//archive.mid-day.com/news/2010/sep/060910-British-MP-wife-found-working-sex-worker.htm
In Britain, the recession has left many people struggling to make ends meet,:ranger: but reports have shown that young people – young single mothers in particular, are feeling the worst of austerity, and many are turning to prostitution in pursuit of financial security.

Things are likely to get worse. In 2013-2014, a lone parent would receive on average £46.80 a year less in benefits due to governmental changes, while a couple with children would miss out on £52 a year. In 2014-2015, the projected figures are £260 less for single parents and £156 less for couples with children. In short, single parents – often the most financially vulnerable – are facing the harshest cuts in benefits.

This has led to an increase in prostitution, which has affected the industry's economy; many sex workers are reducing their charges (sometimes as much as 50 per cent) in order to beat competition from other sex workers. This contributes to a viscous circle; more single parents – usually women, enter prostitution out of financial desperation.:facepalm: Due to the increase in sex workers, they need to engage in the industry more to acquire the money they need. This in turn leads to a further increase in active sex workers and a further devaluation of prostitution ad infinitum. :tsk:

//leftfootforward.org/2013/08/prostitution-and-poverty-in-the-uk/
 
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Indian Americans

its simple that a nation is made by its people, who may develop new technologies and improve the existing ones. nothing came from sky and nothing will ever come from sky, and we need those people who may make the nation proud from their knowledge/talent/ performance.

Indian migrants are those who pay very high tax as they fall in very high income bracket, least dependent on the Welfare and the least crime rate is registered from this community living in US/EU. many Indians came under business visa after investment in US/west itself, while most of them are very high qualified and are part of developing technologies to run the US's firms, and are doctors/ CA/ including business professionals (MBAs) too, to help them run businesses etc.:truestory:

the meaning of high end educated people is much more than the amount of tax they pay
//defenceforumindia.com/forum/religion-culture/65637-hindu-americans-rank-top-education-income.html#post979503

further to the above post, here, even if these kids dont know about father, they and their single mothers may feed themselves on the tax money/social security of professional migrants, isn't it?

and im scared of the day when indian females will start getting kids without marriage, and no welfare to feed them, similar to single mothers shiits of western nations. the major consequence of inviting western culture :facepalm:
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WASHINGTON: Indian Americans are the highest-income and best-educated people in the United States and the third largest among Asian Americans who have surpassed Latinos as the fastest-growing racial group, according to a new survey.

Indians, who now number 3.18 millions, the third largest after the Chinese (4 million) and the Filipinos (3.4 million) have a median household annual income of $88,000, much higher than for all Asians ($66,000) and all US households ($49,800). :ranger:

The share of unmarried mothers was much lower among Indian Americans (2.3 per cent) than among all Asian Americans (15 per cent) and the population overall (37 per cent).:coffee:

ndtv.com/article/world/indian-americans-top-in-income-and-education-233757
 

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The Measure of Empowered Women

I made 4 posts on Mr Obama's Twitter about women empowerment as below. i think these posts may be kept here also, to keep its a record in this thread too :thumb:

Mr Barack Obama's statement on Twitter on 23rd January 2014, ""You can judge a nation, and how successful it will be, based on how it treats its women and its girls." —President Obama"

My Comment:-

1st; thats true. a strong nation is defined on the level it gives priority to its weak part of society. like women/schedule caste in india

2nd; only women/schedule caste in India get scholarships/ reservations in exams/jobs. and empowering women means, one day they will help others

3rd; one and there is only one measure of "Empowered Women", whether they reach a day when they may help other weak parts of society too :thumb:

4th; and Im strongly against encouraging girls only to fcuk here there, but not giving them right advises to go high in life/career :thumb:
With 13 million slaves in India, mostly women and children, don't think I would worry about the women in UK.

hmmm, this is the discussion about the Empowered Women of Western nations, as compared to Indian and other developing countries, considering the fact that their wages on prostitution is going down due to increased competition, as the 'unskilled jobs' are low paid, as per the topic of this thread :ranger:

EMPOWERED WESTERN WOMEN WHO CAN'T HELP THEMSELVES :tsk:

while they also get free Social Security+Free Medical also. its nothing but a disaster that even if half of the UK's budget goes for just social security (28%) and free medical (18%) = 46%, and then number of interest payment also come, on that debt UK is borrowing too much since 2008 recession, hence doubling their Public debt since then too :facepalm:

//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/UKExpenditure.svg/596px-UKExpenditure.svg.png

United Kingdom budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Italy Saved From Recession by Prostitution and Drugs

Italy is no longer in recession, it emerged this week, due to a change in the way data calculations are made in the EU to illegal economic activities such as drug trafficking, prostitution, and alcohol and tobacco smuggling.

According to the National Institute of Statistics, GDP in Italy rose from a 0.1% decline for the first quarter to a flat reading once revised according to the new EU criteria meaning Italy has escaped a third recession in six years.

In a 2008 directive the UN said that if governments do not chart all transactions then "accounts as a whole are liable to be seriously distorted". The announcement that the country would introduce this change from October was made on May 22nd by Istat, Italy's statistic-gathering body. The new system - SEC 2010 - has been described by the EU as an "internationally compatible EU accounting framework", aimed at creating greater comparability in the GDP figures of member states, for fairer distribution of EU funds.

newsweek.com/italy-saved-recession-prostitution-and-drugs-277930
 

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not least, US is already a world leader in rapes/robberies, but just have a look on the murder rate in US/Americas as below, a worse figure than even Africa. which better justify state of a country where 1% Americans have more wealth than the bottom 90% :facepalm:
:tsk:

By region

UNODC murder rates most recent year (Per 100,000 Population)

Region - Rate

Africa - 12.5
Americas - 15.4

Asia - 2.9 :ranger:
Europe - 3.5
Oceania - 2.9
World - 6.9

//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_region
 

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=> //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

A Crime mainly Means for its Seriousness

and i repeat, "Incarceration Rate is the best way to measure Crime Rate as we do know that long term imprisonment is applicable to serious crimes only. means, if there were few fighting on the streets then you would be released within days if no serious injuries. but if someone died, or someone was raped, then obviously you would go for a very long."

its so simple that, there might be so many driving offence which can result is penalty only in many cases, while a crime does means for its seriousness, like robberies/ murders/ serious assaults/ rape/ drugs smuggling etc....... even having small amount of drugs for personal use isn't a punishable offence in Australia, but smuggling drugs does means for 10years+ imprisonment, and here we mainly look on the Incarceration Rate comparison :tup:


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Remember this. Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.
do you think, the crimes like murders, rapes, robberies aren't reported in India? do you think people here don't have identity cards, that if they are missing or are part of major crimes, then police can't approach them? :facepalm:

and thats why I generally force to consider "Incarnation Rate" in this regard. as Im told that in developing countries, speeding/parking on the wrong places doesn't count much while its also a registered crime in US/Australia, true. but you may hardly lose your driving license or pay fine in this case, i argue. even if you are caught with limited amount of drugs in Australia for personal uses, its not a punishable crime for the first few incidents :no:

a crime mainly means for its seriousness. as you do know that if you are caught with smuggling of drugs, for example, then you would get at least 14 years+, similar to murders-rapes type crime in Australia....... from here, just dont put shiits in this thread while discussing that serious crimes like murders, rapes, robberies, smuggling have lesser punishment in India as compare to US/West :facepalm:

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Having high rate of crime in the records doesn't always mean the place is relatively more violent. It may also mean that they record the crime at much higher rate than others - where it goes sans FIR most of the times. No report, no crime.
Virendra, further to your post, how would you see the news as below, where we find Japan at the bottom here too? we also have example of few European countries like Finland, Denmark in the company of Japan here too. why do we see less Prison Rate/ less crime reported in these OECD economies like Japan/Denmark/Finland as compare to Super Power USA?

here, im mainly intended to discuss the news of post, which does compare the number of people being reduced, killed/murdered, and its comparison with others. and here we find US/America's beating Africa too? and this news of post is further to high performing USA after leading world on the side of robberies/rapes/serious assaults etc :facepalm:

in post, non-Welfare society of India at around 2.6 murders per 100,000 population won't be said to be good but below the average of Asia at 2.9. and as we have proper IDs of people in the developing countries like India/Vietnam/Philippines/Thailand etc, this is something we may obviously discuss, with giving reference of Pakistan being closed to South Africa in this report of too, for example :ranger:

here we find Asian countries like Japan placed with the western nations, as below, closed to India's fugure :thumb:
//markc1.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451bb2969e2014e873520b8970d-pi
 

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Back in the real world:

Russia is skating on thin ice: Cheap oil, Western sanctions and years of mismanagement have sent its economy into a deep freeze.
hmmmmm, i think i would post a post regarding US's high performing economy here too, as below: :thumb:


=> 5 Factors why US's Economy is 'Upbeat'

first, the two majors things about the US's economy widely discussed in world are as below, the National Debt and the Unemployment Rate. and here we find the 1st curve 'only' rising since 2008, while the 2nd one 'only' falling since 2008 recession, check it carefully since 2008 recession :facepalm:

1st; here, if we check the curve, we find US's National Debt was at around $9.0 trillion by end 2007, pre 2008 recession, and now its closed to $18.0trillion at present. means, National Debt Level of US's is now doubled since 2008 recession, and "Employment" Rate is at its lowest since then too, at 62.8% :tsk::facepalm:

usgovernmentdebt.us/national_debt

2nd; Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
//data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
again, if we see the curves, we find Labor Force Employment of US was maintained at 66.2% till mid 2008, till August 2008 recession, and it was maintained at around that level for many years till then.

and since mid 2008, it registered a continued fall in Labor Force Employment from 66.2% in August/September 2008 to its lowest level at 62.8% last month. check the table as below, its the lowest level of "Employment Rate" of US since September 2008 :coffee:
//data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_LNS11300000_2004_2014_all_period_M06_data.gif
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(The labor force participation rate is the ratio between the labor force and the overall size of their cohort (national population of the same age range.

Labor force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )
Typically "working-age persons" is defined as people between the ages of 16-64. People in those age groups who are not counted as participating in the labor force are typically students, homemakers, and persons under the age of 64 who are retired.:ranger:

What is the Labor Force Participation Rate? '
=> and this is how US register drop in unemployment rate, as below :facepalm:

"Though the unemployment rate fell in March and April, both drops reflected fewer people looking for work, not more employment," :tsk:

//rt.com/usa/160596-47-percent-unemployed-not-looking/
Nearly half of US unemployed have given up looking for a job — RT USA
 
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in fact, we find US's many curves broke since 2008 recession due to lack of Budget allocations. and one of them widely discussed is as below :ranger:

3rd Point

cfr.org/defense-budget/trends-us-military-spending/p28855
//i.cfr.org/content/publications/July2013/002_military_spending_percent_of_world.png

=> and on one curve, the US looking 'upbeat', is the number of people on food stamp, as below :tup:

4th;

Record 20% of Households on Food Stamps in 2013 | CNS News
//cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/record-20-households-food-stamps-2013
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//cnsnews.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large/images/Individual%20Food%20Stamps-CHART-2.jpg

=> and following the above curve showing the lowest "Employment" Rate of US since 2008 recession, at 62.8% last month in June 2014, we also find first drop of Mexican born population of US since WW2, since 1930-44, as below. and it also shows this curve broke since 2008-09 recession itself. the final state of US's economy, immigrants now moving out with a set pace.......

The US, having highest number of people dependent on Food Stamp, more than quarter of kids dependent on it, may now easily predict future prospects of these kids too. (the future of kids in that country, The US, from where now the immigrants would move now :wave:).:facepalm:

=> Over a quarter of US kids on food stamps, under-50s dying young – reports — RT USA
//rt.com/usa/us-poverty-kids-health-687/
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the 5th point;

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Bluffs of Superiority, based on Publicity of Greatness, without Any Credibility or Proper Educational Background

in fact, I have habit of reading western ranking stating, "indian women ranked below pakistani women as they don't sit on the nude beaches, similar to western women." "indian kids on the second last rank by UN, as they dont take drugs from schooling, including mass sex since 13-14 year age too." "india is more violent than US with 'staggering' 799 deaths by guns last years while the same score was well above 11,000 in US by guns last year." bla bla
Bluffs of Superiority, based on publicity of greatness, without any credibility or proper educational background

=> Afghanistan worst place in the world for women, but India in top five | World news | The Guardian :cheers:
theguardian.com/world/2011/jun/15/worst-place-women-afghanistan-india
The country was placed 141 among 162 nations, having lost more than two lives a day or a staggering 799 persons to internal conflicts in 2012. (out of 1.3 billion population.)

India among world most violent places: Study - Times Of India
About 11,100 Americans died in gun-related killings in 2011, according to preliminary data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. There were 19,766 suicides by firearms in 2011, the CDC said.

Thousands march against gun violence in Washington | Reuters
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U.S. most armed country with 90 guns per 100 people | Reuters
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The Ground Reality of US as a Society

and the ground reality of US as a society can be well stated as below :tup:

1st; we generally discuss, almost 95% labs of US/EU is filled with migrant professionals only. even if you go to German firms, more than 90% Phd holders in their labs are immigrants. for example, even if Mr B.Gates is the richest man of world, not even a single software developed by American born people, even the "Hotmail", very basic software of US, was developed by an Indian immigrant 'Sabir Bhatia', as discussed in the thread as below. they generally keep only those of US who keep copying immigrants works, my on work experience in Australia with talking to those coming from US/EU
=> Hindu-Americans Rank Top in Education, Income | Indian Defence Forum

2nd; over 30% US's kids wait for food stamp to feed themselves. and most of those belong to the Single Families as below. they simply feed themselves on the tax money of high tax paying immigrants :tsk:
Over a quarter of US kids on food stamps, under-50s dying young – reports — RT USA
The share of unmarried mothers was much lower among Indian Americans (2.3 per cent) than among all Asian Americans (15 per cent) and the population overall (37 per cent). :coffee:

Indian-Americans top in income and education
3rd; over 50%+ kids in US and Australia have taken drugs in schools, at least once in life. they are simply aren't aware of competitive environment of education, similar to India type countries :wave:

4th; Crime Rate of US is well over '20' times to India, and its a shame for US, the nation, whose half of the Budget is put for sharing Social Security-free Medical expanses of civilians. then number of Interest payments and defence also come :tsk:

5th; and the very last outcome of this heavily indebted economy of world, now immigrants are going back since 2009 recession, check the curve carefully. for example, if you see the curves as below, its the first reverse trend of Mexican immigrants since WW2, since 1930-45 :facepalm:

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AA, Mexican going back their home, the first trend since WW2, ........... is this the main reason behind so many wars in world by US, political/cultural/religious etc, the US/UK have organized in whole world? :what:
 
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40 'Frightening' Facts On The Fall Of The US Economy
05/27/2013

#1, Back in 1980, the U.S. national debt was less than one trillion dollars. Today, it is rapidly approaching 18 trillion+ dollars...

#17, Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs. :coffee:

#18, At this point, an astounding 53 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year.:ranger:

#21, In the United States today, the wealthiest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined. :facepalm:

#24, According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than 146 million Americans are either "poor" or "low income". :coffee:

#25, According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government.:coffee:

#39, When Barack Obama first entered the White House, about 32 million Americans were on food stamps. Now, more than 47 million Americans are on food stamps.

zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-27/40-frightening-facts-fall-us-economy
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as per the topic of this thread, NRIs moving back to India for better future prospects as firms are growing here, as compare to saturated market of Western Nations. Indian Americans are the richest community there as most of them are high qualified professionals, who easily secure good salary in India once they back..... with a Western Qualification and minimum 3 years of work experience there, you would secure at least over 25lacs in the city like Bangalore, around US$45,000 in exchange rates term too.

here I tried to put categories of Income Group of US as below. and it does state, if you find your job troubling in US/EU, better try for a similar position in India :ranger:

=>

here, there are 3 main possibilities of "Average Americans", as below:-

1st; Chance is less than 1% that someone belongs to an Industrialist group of USA, as per the above facts of USA

2nd; chance is around 37%+ that common American civilians don't have any source of income, as only around 63% working age people of US has any job, which exclude house wives, students, early retired people etc too. and this is the lowest level since September 2008 economic collapse, check it carefully......
//data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
3rd; and, there is around 47/315 = 15% chance that common US's civilians are dependent on Food Stamp to feed thenselves.

(here, as in the above news, $30,000 or less income does means for less than 18 lacs Rupees a year but prices in USA is also different. even a medium size coffee cost $3.2 (Rs 200) on the streets of Sydney and food no less than $10 (Rs 600) on any shop :disagree:. hence $30,000 or less income for 53% working age group does mean for a "non-luxury" life. which exclude those 37% of working age group who don't even have any source of income, :ranger:)

and its worth mentioning that these 37% people of US avoid slum because of $1.0trillion+ borrowing for their social security/free medical etc.. the USA which is already indebted by a huge $18.0trillion+ debt to date.... :ranger:)
 
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Of course we could talk about the :::::vv
Broken BRICs: A Shifting Center Of Gravity Among The Emerging Market Giants
Mar. 15, 2015 5:30 AM ET | Includes: BIK, BKF, EEB, EMDD by: The Intercollegiate Finance Journal
BRICs: Strong, solid, steadfast, quite literally the building blocks of growth. First coined by Goldman Sachs' Jim O'Neill in 2001, the umbrella term for the major emerging market economies of Brazil, Russia, India, and China made for a compelling story among investors by capturing widespread views over the trajectory of the global economy. BRICs became a household phrase following the onset of financial crises and recessions among advanced economies in 2008. The United States was struggling to escape stagnation, the Eurozone found itself shackled by a common currency, and Japan's decade-long deflationary malady intensified. Meanwhile, the BRICs enjoyed near double-digit GDP growth, with no more than a brief interruption in 2009, and a flood of capital from yield-hungry investors looking for an alternative to the low returns on U.S. bonds and equities.
Emerging Problems
Unfortunately, the BRICs' fortunes have reversed. China's export prowess has faltered and its economy has slowed. The "commodities super cycle," which saw Brazil and Russia supply China with the raw inputs it needed to sustain a massive trade surplus, has ground to a halt, contributing to historically low oil prices. Portfolio investment may continue to recede as the United States prepares to raise interest rates, exposing cracks in the BRICs that could be signs of difficult times to come.
Weaker exports and portfolio investment hamper growth. Since the foreign currency used by consumers and investors to purchase exports and portfolio securities eventually winds up with central banks, their access to foreign exchange reserves may come under strain. Dwindling reserves limit central banks' scope to prop up currencies by intervening in foreign exchange markets. This undermines their capacity to guarantee the foreign-denominated debts of their governments and financial systems. The fiscal positions of governments reliant on revenue from state-owned oil companies will also deteriorate in the face of low prices. As currencies depreciate, the relative value of revenues denominated in domestic currency and used to service foreign-denominated debts declines, imposing a growing debt burden on borrowers. To make matters worse, inflation may take off as the price of imports increases, in effect reducing consumers' real income via higher prices.

hmmmm, a very honest statement is, "over 50% working age people of India, for example, are either below poverty live or hardly avoiding it, true. while in US, these 53 workers with under $30,000 a year salary, do maintain a decent life, even if they dont have any luxury life.... and its excluding those 50% workers of US, who are well defined as Middle Class with the standard of India type developing countries." with 37% working age people dependent on social security, then its a more luxury life for them than those who are working, isn't it???? i know this as i have lived this type of free life for around 1.5 years in Australia during the recession period.... i joined my 3rd Master, MBA-PM from Sydney that time....

also, US isn't borrowing more debt now. debt borrowing by US has come down to less than $500billion a year at present, which does mean that with 2% expected growth rate and 1.5% inflation for the coming years, US economy would maintain its debt to GDP ratio well below 100% till end this decade....

high oil gas pumping by US does helped them to an extent, i find, and to other countries too because of lower oil prices now this way, just because the largest consumer, the US, itself is getting energy independent by end this decade. hence, i would say say, US has now become a resource rich economy like Australia, Canada, Germany, Norway etc, who won't face any trouble on the economy side in near future :thumb: :usa:
 
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NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect

That story probably made news only because of its star power. The fact that NRIs from the US are moving back to India is no shocking development. NRIs have, in the last few years, been relocating to India in large numbers, in search of better personal and professional lives. And if you are an NRI considering that move, there is one important thing that you must understand very well: the salary you will get in India.:ranger:

Kris Lakshmikanth, Founder CEO of The Head Hunters India Pvt Ltd. says, "When it comes to compensation, we find that NRIs have inflated expectations. They mainly go by hearsay; their friend or friend's friend who returned to India has told them a tall story about Indian salaries. They want to go by that yard stick."

USD will not convert to INR

The first thing to remember is that you will not make the rupee equivalent of your US salary in India. The cost of living in India is significantly lower than that in the US. This also means a lower labour cost in India. These factors will determine your India salary. Seema Nair, Co-Leader India HR Operations of Cisco India explains, "The salary in India (for Cisco employees moving from US to India) is related to local labour market wage rates with a potential premium for critical skill sets."

Achyut Menon, head of Options Executive Search Pvt Ltd also adds, "In the nineties, people who were posted to India got expat salaries. But those days are over. In the last 10 years, India has become an attractive market for global companies who are not just looking to set up offshore centers here, but also to capitalize on the growing, educated and highly aspirational middle class consumer segment. Added to that is the availability of skilled labour within India itself. Companies no longer need to pay expat salaries."

Benchmark: What then should be the broad benchmark?

Both Lakshmikanth and Menon say that while there cannot be a standard formula, the Big Mac Index is a good guideline to calculate salaries. The Big Mac index published by The Economist, is based on the theory of purchasing-power parity (PPP), according to which exchange rates should adjust to equalise the price of a basket of goods and services around the world. The basket in this case being a McDonald's Big Mac.

Now according to the last available index dated July 2011, a Big Mac costing USD 4.07 in the US costs USD 1.89 in dollar terms in India (Rs 85 converted at an exchange rate of Rs 45). It means that the Big Mac costs 54% less in India; the cost of living is 54% lower in India. Read another way, this means that the rupee is undervalued by 54% to the dollar and that on the basis of PPP, one dollar would actually be worth Rs 21 instead of Rs 45.

So if you are drawing a salary of USD 100,000 in the US, you can expect to draw Rs 21 lakh in India, give or take. At an exchange rate of Rs 45, that would translate to an Indian salary of USD 46,666 or 46% of the US salary. :ranger:

"Senior management can expect anywhere between 40% and 70% of their last drawn US salary when they move to India," Menon explains, adding, "At the 70% end would be people who have moved to India to set up a development/ engineering center or to head the global company's India start-up."


Best career move

Having set that broad benchmark, the salary would also vary between industries and functions. You would need to choose your profile and company carefully to maximise your salary.

"Manufacturing would pay less than technology. Within technology, we find that delivery of software is something which Indian companies have become masters in. They don't need to employ people from overseas. In fact, such people from the US are paid less than the person who stayed back in India because those returning from the US have handled fewer people teams as compared to peers in India," Lakshmikanth points out.

Similarly, domestic Indian companies do not usually recruit NRIs for strategic positions if the NRIs are not familiar with the dynamics of the Indian market and work place.

As an NRI moving back to India, Menon says it would be best to join a company in the US which has plans to start-up/ expand in India. "A lot of US companies across sectors like engineering, legal, analytics, financial services, pharmaceuticals are setting up operations in India. :cheers:

These companies are happy to send an Indian to India who also has experience of their other markets. The employee benefits because he can grow with the company's operations in India. In the beginning, the company will set up a 30-40 staff office and expand going forward. As a member of the start-up, the employee grows as the company grows, making it a win-win for both" he explains.

Parting shot

"At the end of the day, come back to India for the same reasons you went abroad: for personal and professional growth and happiness. Come with a long term view in mind and you won't regret it," Menon advices.

(The author is a chartered accountant and financial writer. She also blogs at blogs.economictimes)

NRIs moving from the US to India: How much salary to expect - Economic Times
 

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40 'Frightening' Facts On The Fall Of The US Economy
05/27/2013

#1, Back in 1980, the U.S. national debt was less than one trillion dollars. Today, it is rapidly approaching 18 trillion+ dollars...

#17, Back in 1950, more than 80 percent of all men in the United States had jobs. Today, less than 65 percent of all men in the United States have jobs.:coffee:

#18, At this point, an astounding 53 percent of all American workers make less than $30,000 a year.:ranger:

#21, In the United States today, the wealthiest one percent of all Americans have a greater net worth than the bottom 90 percent combined.:facepalm:

#24, According to the U.S. Census Bureau, more than 146 million Americans are either "poor" or "low income". :coffee:

#25, According to the U.S. Census Bureau, 49 percent of all Americans live in a home that receives direct monetary benefits from the federal government.:coffee:

#39, When Barack Obama first entered the White House, about 32 million Americans were on food stamps. Now, more than 47 million Americans are on food stamps.

40 'Frightening' Facts On The Fall Of The US Economy | Zero Hedge
One in five workers in the UK is paid less than required for a basic standard of living, a report has said.:tsk:
The proportion is much higher among waiters and bar staff, at up to 90% of workers, the research for accountants KPMG suggested.

It said that nearly five million people failed to command the living wage - a pay packet that enabled a basic standard of living.

The rate stands at £8.30 an hour in London and £7.20 in the rest of the UK.

This rate is voluntary, unlike the National Minimum Wage - the amount that employers must pay by law, which is set at £6.19 an hour for those aged 21 and over.

"Times are difficult for many people, but of course those on the lowest pay are suffering the most," said Marianne Fallon, head of corporate affairs at KPMG, which has itself signed up to pay the living wage.

"Paying a living wage makes a huge difference to the individuals and their families and yet does not actually cost an employer much more.

"Tackling in-work poverty is also vital if we are to enable more people to improve their life prospects and increase social mobility in this country."

BBC News - Five million paid less than living wage, says KPMG
if Americans/British study, then what Indians doing there?

sir, today i was told that Skill migrants go to US/UK/aus etc similar to how illegals go there. while its a common sense, its the migrant professionals who run the US's firms, hence help the local Americans fed by helping their economies standing by skills of immigrants..... those who help Americans fed by developing technologies, they aren't the Americans themselves. the technologies which were then transferred to the countries like UK/Aus/can etc too... hurt? obviously......

labs of US's firms are filled with the most competent professional migrants of rest of world, its not their own people who are competent enough to deliver competent projects. we generally talk, its not just even the basic software of Microsoft, Hotmail developed by an Indian professional Sabir Bhati, but not even a single software of Microsoft might be produced by an Americans, very less likely..and its the same story for most of US's firms.... the technologies which were then transferred to the countries like UK/aus/can....

in a simple language, "if Americans/British study, then what professional immigrants of developing countries doing there?"

Labor force employment rate of US/UK is as below, which excludes students, early retired people, house wives etc too. and then we find 50% of their workers finding it hard to get $30,000 a year income, which does mean for 20lacs a year in Indian rupees, but the prices in US's market for the products-services are much different.... i would say, $30,000 a year salary in US's market would mean for around hardly upto 5.0lacs while comparing prices with India, which 50% workers of US not getting.... and its excludes those 38% working age people of US/UK, who dont have any source of income, as below... as, even in UK, 20% workers not getting the minimum wage, of $10.0 per hour, which hardly means for around $400 a week, or $20,000 a year....

Labor force participation rate, total (% of total population ages 15+) (modeled ILO estimate) | Data | Table
The labor force participation rate is the percentage of working-age persons in an economy who: Are employed, Are unemployed but looking for a job
Typically "working-age persons" is defined as people between the ages of 16-64. People in those age groups who are not counted as participating in the labor force are typically students, homemakers, and persons under the age of 64 who are retired.

What is the Labor Force Participation Rate?
=> i mean to say, if the 38% working age people of US/UK have no source of income, and 50%+ not getting even $30k, then why me and migrant professionals around me are sitting on the top floor of my firm in Australia?
almost all around me are generally migrant professionals, if exclude office staffs, considering BE+ graduate engineering professionals only, excluding few. like my last firms, METS, WMA Ltd., MTP etc... simply because, if Americans study, what we migrant professionals doing there? and my statement mainly considering the news like as below, showing now immigrants of Mexico, mostly doing unskilled jobs, are going back. as, "for unskilled jobs", Mexico type middle order countries are now preferred places.....
their own people aren't getting jobs, while immigrants professionals are sitting on the top floors.... :tsk:
its the first drop of Mexican born people in US since WW2, check the curve carefully....

we have only trade certificates holders from US/UK, including limited numbers of locals in professional teams too, who are certainly not as competent enough to the migrants professionals of developing countries. me and my friends know the level of assignment-exams we have, big-big formulas and get the answers, while we generally used to derive those formulas in our BE studies in India...


and on my side, i generally give example of reverse migration of immigrants, the main reason behind so many wars by US/UK in world, on the name of religion/race/culture etc.. as now they know, these people going back... :wave:
now fighting in the native countries of these immigrant professionals is the only option left for these falling countries....
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Australian already has high support for studies, $100,000 student loan without interests but we dont see locals interested in studies, even if there is no entrance test for universities too...... only TAFE or hardly Nurses is the preference for the local Australians, short courses and better employment, supported by centrelink too..... bachelor of engineering , medicines, CA type professionals are generally imported, but higher application by the foreigners too have resulted in tougher immigration rules for the skill migrants, which is good in fact, lesser skill migrants with higher attributes with them, like how our time of 2005-06 itself required 2 Masters of engineering to complete point tests for PR, otherwise only 3 years of temporary visa was available for just a master of engineering, medicines, CA even till 2005-06...... i think now only phd in Engineering is the safest side for PR, i guess, and im not sure whether students of Adelaide still get extra points for belonging to low population growth area. like how we had an immigrant from Sauth Australia in my last firm, WMA Ltd, Mr Sachin Khalake, hence only one Master in engineering degree could help him get PR during his time due to extra points for studying from Adelaide ....
 
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NEW DELHI: If you thought that Global Indian Takeover was just a hollow cliche leaning on a few iconic successes like Pepsi's Indra Nooyi, Citibank's Vikram Pandit and steel world's Lakshmi Mittal, there is a slew of statistics now to give it solid ballast.

The extent to which desis have made an impact in the US was reeled off in the Rajya Sabha — as many as 12% scientists and 38% doctors in the US are Indians, and in NASA, 36% or almost 4 out of 10 scientists are Indians.

If that's not proof enough of Indian scientific and corporate prowess, digest this: 34% employees at Microsoft, 28% at IBM, 17% at Intel and 13% at Xerox are Indians.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/36-of-scientists-at-NASA-are-Indians-Govt-survey/articleshow/2853178.cms
a Competent Professional is product of the competition he/she has faced since schooling

i was made to discuss this topic in detail. the above type news, we have been reading on time to time, but we do know that we have only professional and business quota immigration for US-UK-Australia-Canada so this type of news looks closed to truth as we mainly had this type of brain drain during the 90s and the last decade. nowdays we do have enough degree qualified people available but till the 90s, it used to be a truly brain drain category migration of Indians, for the profession of Engineering-medicines-CAs- including MBAs, mainly for those who own a degree from US-UK itself to qualify for Green Card, for permanent visa, as till the mid last decade, till my time...

we generally discuss, whoever want to study can get admission in US's institutes while for the immigrants, you need to have enough marks in GRE-GMAT type exams to get admission in top ranked institutes of US-UK, and the above statistics of US's top ranked institutes does show high performing Indians on the world platform, who would then get jobs in these high ranked US's firms with qualifications from these leading US's institutes. looks obvious till the time of last decade....

credibility of these news has also faced questions, but we do understand that these 13%+ degree holders Indians from the top ranked US's institutes, must be getting jobs in these leading firms like IBM, Microsoft, NASA etc, because of having a master level engineering-medicines degrees from leading US's institutes. as discussed in the above video too....

"having a degree and being competent enough to deliver key projects is two very different issues, the experience US's firms have mainly from the Indian professionals."

(but as this is the news of early 2008, and we see US's data's being manipulated during the last 3-4 years of my involvements, .... im not sure how many of these scientists are even alive also, if not killed yet ... Hate Crime is the biggest crime of world and the current generation of US-UK-Aus are nothing but a condition on the Humanity of any part of world..)

also, whenever we discuss a qualified immigrant as compare to locals in US-UK-Aus, the immigrants are mainly master level engineering-medicines category, while mainly arts graduates we see in locals, in limited number too....

whenever we discuss the "competent" professionals, we mainly have a look on the level of competition he/she has faced even since schooling. in US-Uk-Aus, the locals dont have any "entrance tests" type exams for their institutes. while for India, its too hard to qualify for a seat in the high ranked institutes of India like IITs and IIMs. even if you hire a professional from lower ranked institutes of India, the certain qualified person would have less experience of labs as compare to US's institutes, obviously while comparing the infrastructure difference of Indian and US's institutes, but you do get a highly competent qualified professional, with high end knowledge of the books he/she has studied, and ready to work with the labs of US's firms.....

immigrants from developing countries also come in business quota, like Mr L Mittal, Hinduja etc, as discussed in the above news too. hence they would obviously have high end earning side, the highest tax paying people as they fall in high income bracket for tax payment.
while meaning of high end competent professionals is much more than the amount of taxes they pay, very true....

Bangladeshi Crisis of India: as per the information im getting, nowdays an Indian student fails to get admission in top ranked Institutes of India, even at 98.6 percentile, as the 98.7 percentile person is occupying his/her seat coming from Bangladesh under a False Indian ID, mainly with Hindu names to bully the society as whole. even if most of the Indian students would be getting admission in lower ranked college of India this way, they do have high end competition. and this again show the "education crisis" of UK-Australia who bring people from Bangladesh on this commonwealth recruitment, "this is not UK-Aus that you may get admission in any institute, without any 'entrance test'. top ranked institutes of India has very high 'cut off' for the most performing students, which are being occupied by the False ID people you bring from Bangladesh, to work under British government for rest of life, as spies on the high positions of India this way.... level of competency of students, first come from the level of competition you have faced in schools, which these poor educational background countries like UK-Aus lack, who only use technologies of US, where these technologies are developed by immigrants professionals of developing countries, mainly Indians....

the shiits coming from US-UK-Aus and its consequences on the growing societies like India. and it also includes IIMs, where 'bit higher' marks holders False Indian ID holder people are being put there under Commonwealth Recruitment. no matter how much you study, bit higher marks holder False ID people are being brought from Bangladesh under UK's annual budget.. :facepalm:

a competent Indian professional is there, even if he/she then get admission in a lower ranked Indian institute, who then get campus selection in western firms too. but how will the common people respond, when they will get this news? all the government positions of India has a big share of this Commonwealth Recruitment, "as per how they look, with good looking faces and proficiency of Hindi language", while the local Indian civilians not getting jobs as they score 'bit' less than these commonwealth False Indian ID recruitment from back door for these positions, under a conspiracy of last 2 decades :facepalm:

i was just talking, over 1.0mil+ students doing preparation for government jobs and seats of engineering/medicines in Delhi won't know that 'bit' higher marks False ID people are being put on these positions from UK's annual budget, is this finally means for a liberal society of India, which is being 'hollowed out' by those friends like UK at present? .... :toilet:
 

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