Not a Done Deal: Russia and China are Still Negotiating Sale of Su-35 Fighter and S-400 System

[SexyChineseLady]

But given the history of Chinese military industrial complex of copying or stealing technology is a major concern for Russia.

The best example being(su-27 to j-11 and j-16,s u-33 to j-15,s-300 to hq series Sam systems,f-35 data to j-31 and many other such examples).

It is not a concern for the Russians. If it were they would simply stop supplying the RD-93 and the JF-17 program shuts down as punishment. The JF-17 continues with a version of the same engine on frontline Russian (and Indian) fighters like the MiG-29K so it is obvious the Russians don't care. This is simple logic.

You cannot "copy" a fighter, you need an industrial base to build all the thousands of parts. The J-11 is entirely made in China, including the WS-10 engine. The J-31 has no Russian equivalent and is probably more inspired by the F-35.

China right now with its very many types is the only nonwhite nation that can build a 100% local aircraft that flies. The F-2 and T-50 use American parts and the LCA is mainly off-the-shelf European parts with an US engine.

 

[amoy]

Russia to provide first batch of Sukhoi-35 jets to China by mid December
December 14, 14:30 UTC+3
Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process

© Marina Lystseva/TASS
MOSCOW, December 14. /TASS/. Russia will provide to China the first batch of four Sukhoi-35 jets by December 25, 2016, a source within the system of military-technical cooperation with other countries told TASS.

"The first four Sukhoi-35 are to fly over to China by December 25," the source said.

Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process and to provide the first batch in the last days of the outgoing year.

In November, the deputy chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation, Vladimir Drozhzhov, told TASS that Russia had started acting on the first phase of its contractual liabilities to China to provide the Sukhoi-35 jets.

Russia and China in November 2015 concluded a contract for 24 Sukhoi-35 fighters. Under the $2 billion deal Russia is also to provide ground equipment and spare engines.

As a source within the military-technical cooperation system told TASS earlier, the contract will be effected in three years’ time.

The governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft building plant (manufacturer of Sukhoi-35 planes) is located, earlier said the first four planes will be provided to China by the end of this year. A short while later, though, the head of Rostec corporation, Sergey Chemezov, said that no Sukhoi-35 planes will be delivered to China in 2016.

The Sukhoi-35 is Russia’s multirole highly maneuverable fighter (generation 4++) with a phased array antenna radar and thrust vectoring engines. It can develop a maximum speed of 2,500 kilometers per hour and fly 3,400 kilometers without refueling. The combat range is 1,600 kilometers. The fighter is armed with a 30-mm gun and has twelve bomb and rocket suspension units.

 

[airtel]

Russia to provide first batch of Sukhoi-35 jets to China by mid December
December 14, 14:30 UTC+3
Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process

© Marina Lystseva/TASS
MOSCOW, December 14. /TASS/. Russia will provide to China the first batch of four Sukhoi-35 jets by December 25, 2016, a source within the system of military-technical cooperation with other countries told TASS.

"The first four Sukhoi-35 are to fly over to China by December 25," the source said.

Originally the deliveries were to begin as of next year, but eventually a decision was made to speed up the process and to provide the first batch in the last days of the outgoing year.

In November, the deputy chief of the federal service for military-technical cooperation, Vladimir Drozhzhov, told TASS that Russia had started acting on the first phase of its contractual liabilities to China to provide the Sukhoi-35 jets.

Russia and China in November 2015 concluded a contract for 24 Sukhoi-35 fighters. Under the $2 billion deal Russia is also to provide ground equipment and spare engines.

As a source within the military-technical cooperation system told TASS earlier, the contract will be effected in three years’ time.

The governor of the Khabarovsk Territory, where the Komsomolsk-on-Amur aircraft building plant (manufacturer of Sukhoi-35 planes) is located, earlier said the first four planes will be provided to China by the end of this year. A short while later, though, the head of Rostec corporation, Sergey Chemezov, said that no Sukhoi-35 planes will be delivered to China in 2016.

The Sukhoi-35 is Russia’s multirole highly maneuverable fighter (generation 4++) with a phased array antenna radar and thrust vectoring engines. It can develop a maximum speed of 2,500 kilometers per hour and fly 3,400 kilometers without refueling. The combat range is 1,600 kilometers. The fighter is armed with a 30-mm gun and has twelve bomb and rocket suspension units.

so china could not develop a proper jet Engine . .

 

[gadeshi]

As well as proper radar, self-defence suit and a bunch of the other stuff.

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[sthf]

So for the past few years Chinese were claiming that their Sukhoi rip offs were just as good if not better than the Russian ones.

Then the deal happened and suddenly it was "smart move".

I am waiting for day when these morons will claim that they are selling their noodle powered fighters to Russia because you know "Supapowa".

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...a-after-2-year-delay/articleshow/56297017.cms

Russia delivers advanced Sukhoi jets to China after 2-year delay

 

[Razor]

So for the past few years Chinese were claiming that their Sukhoi rip offs were just as good if not better than the Russian ones.

Then the deal happened and suddenly it was "smart move".

I am waiting for day when these morons will claim that they are selling their noodle powered fighters to Russia because you know "Supapowa".

They want to fill in the last part of the puzzle: engine tech.
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[sthf]

@Razor

Not even close bro. Their major export, i.e. JointFart-17 has severely outdated avionics, no eccm, no HMD, a pulse Doppler radar (80s tech), a BVRAAM that uses AGAT seeker (90s tech). It is no wonder that Pakis were running like headless chicken for French or Italian avionics.

Their mainstay aircraft are flankers and not their supposed indigenous J-10.

All that glitters is not gold. Read the following article to understand the "Chinese tech and its export success".

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...ong-so-why-arent-chinese-weapons-17746?page=2

 

[HariPrasad-1]

But given the history of Chinese military industrial complex of copying or stealing technology is a major concern for Russia.

The best example being(su-27 to j-11 and j-16,s u-33 to j-15,s-300 to hq series Sam systems,f-35 data to j-31 and many other such examples).

China stole technology of Sukhoi and made J 15. Because of its poor quality, production is discontinued now.