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Re: North Korea Confirms It Conducted 3rd Nuclear Test

There are many ways to look at it.

1) Routing of NoKo is a defeat for China too and loss of any ally in east Asia.
2) The bogey of China is good enough reason for US presence in SoKo which will be acceptable to both Americans as well as South Koreans
3) The silencing of NoKo far outweighs any utility of keeping it alive for any strategic gains especially when you know that in a few years it will have long range missiles with deliverable nuclear warheads. So no I don't see any strategic utility for the US in keeping NoKo alive vis a vis any leverage against SoKo.

That the NoKos have not done anything silly apart from all kinds of provocative statements and some silly maps leaks as they know that the resolve of the US and SoKo is firm and it will be detrimental for the NoKo regime to push too hard. Chubby has miscalculated the resolve of the US. Now he is in a corner he can't come out from to save his chubby face which spells disaster for him personally at least.
This mental fat ass DPRK leader(and other Hitler types) would push their population to destruction and humiliation for generations and coward enough to suicide in a bunker when cornered. DPRK is nothing but a barking pet dog of China.

These idiots are a shame on humanity.
 

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"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones" - Albert Einstein

Are we really in so much hurry to go back to stone age?

So then, is the prophecy going to be true?

Is America facing a real threat and is the world in the brink of NUCLEAR WORLD WAR 3?
 

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"I know not with what weapons WWIII will be fought, but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones" - Albert Einstein

Are we really in so much hurry to go back to stone age?
No I don't think so. Don't take into te hype of DPRKs nukes. It's nascent and not deliverable. I really hope Chubby does something stupid and gets blown to Stone Age. 5 years down the line, they will have good number and better quality nukes and missiles which will be even more dangerous. Now is a good time and good opportunity to finish off the threat.
 

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Do you think NK could go for Scorched earth strategy with land based static nukes in case of US expedition?

No I don't think so. Don't take into te hype of DPRKs nukes. It's nascent and not deliverable. I really hope Chubby does something stupid and gets blown to Stone Age. 5 years down the line, they will have good number and better quality nukes and missiles which will be even more dangerous. Now is a good time and good opportunity to finish off the threat.
 

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I expect N Korea could with out a lot of trouble explode a nuclear bomb on or near US or US bases, or Japan, from a near by fishing vessle or a launch from a ship. I think thats a given, but its suicide, you seen what happened to Afgansta and Iraq over 911. The mood america is in now days is to just make a horrible example out of some one and N Korea may be the one.
 

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Do you think NK could go for Scorched earth strategy with land based static nukes in case of US expedition?
I don't think US intends to put boots on the ground. I will bomb the hell out of the NoKos and severely degrade its military capabilities. Seoul will be lost to artillery, I would evacuate Seoul first.
 

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I expect N Korea could with out a lot of trouble explode a nuclear bomb on or near US or US bases, or Japan, from a near by fishing vessle or a launch from a ship. I think thats a given, but its suicide, you seen what happened to Afgansta and Iraq over 911. The mood america is in now days is to just make a horrible example out of some one and N Korea may be the one.
North Korea will not get anywhere close to the US shores even on a boat.
 

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Hmmm Iron Dome for Seoul. Are there any political or strategic deterrence in SK aquiring Iron Dome?

I don't think US intends to put boots on the ground. I will bomb the hell out of the NoKos and severely degrade its military capabilities. Seoul will be lost to artillery, I would evacuate Seoul first.
 

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Hmmm Iron Dome for Seoul. Are there any political or strategic deterrence in SK aquiring Iron Dome?
No chance. NoKo can put in a volley of 50,000 rounds in an hour into Seoul
 

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When they tweeted this I asked them how will NoKo deliver their nukes? While NoKo is an unpredictable state, I think the US and SK have NK by its balls this time with no way out. Chubby will be forced to back down as he just can't deliver nukes tipped on his missiles.

Chubby is going to lose a lot of weight!
The consensus seems to be that NK really does not have delivery systems even if they have nukes. But the West & particularly USA will placate the fat brat with grain or oil rather than put the heat on him, I believe.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130404/DA5ELC3G1.html
South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin said he did not know the reasons behind the North's missile movement, and that it "could be for testing or drills."

He dismissed reports in Japanese media that the missile could be a KN-08, which is believed to be a long-range missile that if operable could hit the United States.

Kim told lawmakers at a parliamentary committee meeting that the missile has "considerable range" but not enough to hit the U.S. mainland.
 
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Kim Jong-un: Can US trust North Korea leader to act rationally? - CSMonitor.com

"We've seen some historical trajectory here on where North Korea occasionally will go to try to get the attention of the United States, to try to maneuver us into some position favorably to them, whether it's more assistance or bilateral engagement," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said during a press conference last week.

"But the fact is that this is the wrong way to go. The action that he's taken and the actions they've taken and the words he's used, it is not going to project a more responsible, accountable relationship."

That seems evident. But how clear is it that Kim knows what he's doing, anyway? And is he, in fact, the one in charge? Or could he be vying for power with, say, North Korean military leaders?
 

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Forget the B-2s over Seoul, worry more that the Pentagon sent THAADs to Guam




In the past month, the Pentagon has sent everything from B-2s to nuclear submarines to the Korean Peninsula to remind North Korea who they're dealing with. But for a more concerning sign that the Pentagon is taking the threat seriously, look to Guam.

The Pentagon announced on Wednesday it was sending the mobile, land-based missile defense system THAAD (Terminal High Altitude Area Defense) to Guam. It's the latest sign the U.S. believes North Korea may indeed launch a missile -- perhaps even a nuclear-tipped missile -- across the Western Pacific at a U.S. military target.

The truck-mounted missile system is designed to shoot down short- and medium-range ballistic missiles within 250 kilometers, serving as an umbrella system for large theaters of operation. It is also able to target missiles outside the atmosphere, giving it a higher range than the Patriot system.

But THAAD is yet another Pentagon missile defense system that defense and industry officials praise but arms critics shred as unreliable and unready for action. According to GlobalSecurity.org, only two of six planned batteries were certified for "initial operational capacity" in fiscal 2012, which is a lower state of readiness than "full operational capacity." Further testing required by the Army's own guidelines is scheduled into 2017, delaying "full material release" of the batteries to the Army.

"THAAD is operationally effective against short-range ballistic missile threats of the types tested through the end of 2012. It has not been demonstrated against medium-range threats," the group found. But based on initial testing the group believes THADD is "likely" effective against medium-range missiles and is therefore "operationally suitable," but "limited."

Its deployment follows Hagel's announcement that the Pentagon would spend $1 billion to increase the number of controversial ground-based interceptor (GBI) missiles based in Alaska, even though the last successful test of that system was in 2008.

A Pentagon statement described the decision to deploy THAAD to Guam as only "a precautionary move to strengthen our regional defense posture against the North Korean regional ballistic missile threat."

But weapons guru John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, said the THAAD system was still stuck somewhere in between test-phase and actual operational readiness. Pike said it reminded him of the 1950s when unproven nuclear bombs in the U.S. testing program were being classified as "EC" which stood for "emergency capability."

"I think THAAD right now is an EC," Pike said, in an interview. It's a defense, he argued, that "had been known to work on occasions -- might work -- better safe than sorry, better something than nothing."

By now, Pike said he is worried North Korea has painted itself into a corner situation where it must make good on its threats or risk losing face and credibility. Sending a nuclear bomb over Guam is not implausible, which makes the Pentagon's decision to deploy the THAAD anti-missile system "only sensible."

"Possession of nuclear weapons implies a willingness to use them," Pike said. "If the North Korean leadership felt that a demonstration test against a military target would be of some value, an airburst over Guam would be on the short list." An air burst is a detonation of a bomb in the air at altitude, rather than near or at ground level.

But Pike questioned why the Pentagon announcement said the mobile system would be deployed "in the coming weeks" when the North Korean threat seems imminent.

"I don't understand what the hold-up is. The party's going to be over by then," he said. "I'd rather hear 'in the coming days.'"

Defense officials would not elaborate on the timeline of THAAD's arrival in Guam beyond the DOD statement, saying it was meant to be a vague window in order to mask the timeline of when then the system becomes operational on-site.

Still, Pike is watching westward, fearing something is coming the way of U.S. military bases.

"The North Koreans have run out of [non-] kinetic provocations, haven't they? I mean, how many times can you declare war?" he said. "If they don't start shooting within the next week or 10 days, everybody's going to say they're a bunch of chickens, that they can talk the talk but they're not willing to walk the walk, aren't they? And they're going to say of Kim Jong-Un, he don't know how to run nothing but his mouth," to paraphrase a classic Marion Barry quote.

But even for a hardware expert like Pike, the U.S. solution does not lie in deploying more weapons. South Korea and the Americans, he argued, "can take it up the escalation ladder as far as the North wants to go." The thing that could change North Korea's tune, he said, is China.

"The North would run out of rubble to bounce before the Americans would run out of hydrogen bombs."

Forget the B-2s over Seoul, worry more that the Pentagon sent THAADs to Guam | The E-Ring
 

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No chance. NoKo can put in a volley of 50,000 rounds in an hour into Seoul
during the start of war there should be Raining of Projectiles and Shells over 10,000 into Seoul ..there 10,000 Artillery's are battle ready ...before Reloading another round B2 takes out only 2000 of Launchers 30 min of Interval 2000 launchers will be destroyed ..so we can easily calculate 50,000 rounds confirmly takes out high value targets within SoKo territory


I don't think so Noko beleives their Nukes ...But they have strong Confidence on their Artillery's

Forget the B-2s over Seoul, worry more that the Pentagon sent THAADs to Guam
THAAD and other SAM's is only USED to take out BM,Cruise missiles and fighters not their low cost high performance shells

and don't take their Infantry units as a normal threats ..they will send their 60% of soldiers into SoKo within a hour after the Shell Rain


So I must say US and Soko should start the war before it's goes out of Hand ....
 
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during the start of war there should be Raining of Projectiles and Shells over 10,000 into Seoul ..there 10,000 Artillery's are battle ready ...before Reloading another round B2 takes out only 2000 of Launchers 30 min of Interval 2000 launchers will be destroyed ..so we can easily calculate 50,000 rounds confirmly takes out high value targets within SoKo territory


I don't think so Noko beleives their Nukes ...But they have strong Confidence on their Artillery's



THAAD and other SAM's is only USED to take out BM,Cruise missiles and fighters not their low cost high performance shells

and don't take their Infantry units as a normal threats ..they will send their 60% of soldiers into SoKo within a hour after the Shell Rain


So I must say US and Soko should start the war before it's goes out of Hand ....
2 hostile countries are on the verge of having nukes.

What is US gonna do now? :hmm:
 

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2 hostile countries are on the verge of having nukes.

What is US gonna do now? :hmm:
the US mainland is the Safer place ...Simply US gets one more war Experience or Real Battlefield Exercise
 

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U.S. scripts North Korea 'playbook' – CNN Security Clearance - CNN.com Blogs

At the same time, some of the U.S. military's reactions to Pyongyang's saber-rattling were not part of the playbook planning.

Instead, they arose from concerns about what North Korea has planned as the U.S.-South Korean exercise comes to an end, the administration official said.

Those moves include the deployment of ballistic missile defenses closer to North Korea, and a land based missile-intercept system to Guam.

Those actions were ordered in recent days when U.S. intelligence began to gather information that North Korea might be planning additional missile launches.

South Korean Defense Minister Kim Kwan-jin told a parliamentary committee in Seoul Thursday that the North has moved a medium-range missile to its east coast for an imminent test firing or military drill. The missile doesn't appear to be aimed at the U.S. mainland, Kim said, according to the semi-official South Korean news agency Yonhap.

The movement of the missile is "of concern, certainly to the U.S. military and to Japan," said Mark Fitzpatrick, director of the Non-Proliferation and Disarmament Program at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London.

He said he believed the missile in question was a Musudan, a weapon the North hasn't tested before that is based on a Soviet system with a range of about 2,400 kilometers (1,500 miles), far enough to reach Japan but not Guam.
 

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the US mainland is the Safer place ...Simply US gets one more war Experience or Real Battlefield Exercise
Iran and DPRK can undermine supremacy of shuppa powa US and not only US but these 2 are danger to the world peace too since they OPENLY threaten other countries to "wipe off the map" by nukes. :sad: :tsk:
 

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