North Korea Says It Has Conducted 'Successful' Hydrogen Bomb Test

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Although the West would certainly balk at allowing a complete economic collapse in a country with the capacity to produce what some call the “Islamic bomb”, Pakistan's financial straits weaken its bargaining position.

Nevertheless there are signs of an agreement of sorts: Pakistan has been co-operative in negotiations in Geneva for a treaty to place controls on nuclear material, and America, for its part, has said it will not oppose new IMF financing. Members of the Muslim League, Pakistan's ruling party, whisper that the government has come round to the idea of signing the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, a key American demand. In July, the government gave itself room for manoeuvre by saying Pakistan would no longer mimic India on nuclear policy. But Mr Sharif may still run out of money or into political trouble before a deal can be hammered out. Moreover, worries about the nationalist outcry a deal would provoke may prompt Mr Sharif to procrastinate until the economic consequences of hanging back look even grimmer than the prospect of yet more angry mobs on the streets.

http://www.economist.com/node/161886

(A reminder of the darker days and continued dark days and chance for a new englightened path with clear demographics.)

I would prefer that we test in Arunchal Pradesh and also with a weapon configuration that is systematic to a MIRV designed structure and also to advanced nuclear test(s) along with advanced scientific research profile to confirm and validate and evolve our technical abilities. The average number of devices unsc permanent member has done is 40 ish. Also I don't believe our device and testing was a failure and people say such things only justify more testing but the reason for us testing is more reasonable and justifiable because of nearby actions and failures especially with what we had and world accepted of our temporary moratorium that no one would test after India (along with Pakistan with its special status). I have explained also where nearby country test for political survival and not only technological advancement but i feel our takeaway will be both. Someone said a political party can select and also remove a leader because of incomptence and unnecessary unstable illumination (not in democracies usually - and this is not meant for India but others that will have internal deliberations and squabbles of a India nuclear test - what was the input for the output it is clear and present and who to blame). Our next tests will obviously be higher technologies and more advanced perhaps even more sophisticated that is in the region. But its impact would be wise and a sign that the good and proper behavior has a voice in the region and world that can call a wrong a wrong and justify and do right. Its there on the plate for us to enjoy and wait for dessert later. We Indian love to have sweet dishes and they take time to make. And yep they do taste real yummy good when done rightly. Jai hind.

 

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Lavrov, Kerry Discuss Preparation of UNSC Resolution Against North Korea

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/politics/20160227/1035465454/lavrov-korea-north-korea.html

[Analysis] How effective will the “strongest sanctions” on North Korea really be?

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_northkorea/732403.html

"The first concerns that decisions and commitment to execution from China, partner in over 90% of North Korea’s foreign trade. Second is the fact that “welfare” and “humanitarian aid” were not included."

"Also notable is the omission of any measures in the resolution in two areas where South Korea and the US have been pressuring China as part of their “conclusive sanctions” calls, namely a ban on Chinese crude oil exports to North Korea and the overseas dispatching of North Korean workers... "

"But a closer look suggests the sanctions may not be effective as their surface suggests. Citing a draft resolution copy it had obtained, Reuters reported that gold, titanium, and rare earth minerals would be subject to an export ban, while coal and iron (ore) would be excluded from the sanctions as long as it was used for “livelihood purposes” and the funds were not diverted into North Korea’s nuclear and missile development."

"The emphasis from Seoul and Washington has been on measures instituting mandatory inspection for all cargo traveling toward or coming in and out of North Korea - “for the first time in history,” Power noted. The resolution’s terms applied specifically to 31 vessels belonging to North Korea’ Ocean Maritime Management Company (OMM), which was listed as a target in UNSC sanctions from July 28, 2014. Here, too, the effectiveness of the sanctions depends on the judgment and enforcement of China. More than 90% of North Korea’s foreign trade is with China, and over 70% of that takes place through the Sinuiju-Dandong channel. Given China’s relations with North Korea and demand for economic cooperation in its three Northeastern provinces, the possibility of Beijing conducting strict inspections appears to be fairly low. South Korea, in contrast, has no overland trade with the North after the shutdown of the Kaesong Industrial Complex, and the May 24 measures it imposed after the 2010 sinking of the ROKS Cheonan corvette already ban ships traveling to and from North Korea from entering South Korean ports."



Seems there would be no issue and all will be done "within days".

Alibi, excuse, toleration ...

grandfathering, exclusion clauses, conditional ...

is it a joke that UN will place monitors between north korea and PRC. on land - on sea ... i am sure that is for the global audience ... where PRC still allowed to send oil and humanitarian aid and do trade to north korea. is PRC betting on non-compliance and obliviousness by others. south korea and japan cannot do any trade and influence while PRC gets 100% . again for the pictures by USA looking good ... and prc playing it better. is this a move by the G2 where PRC and USA decide between themselves what is best. is usa passing the buck onto others ... others watching only and taking pain. many other things in play.

Would India be given the draft to read and apply its wisdom on what to do next ... i trust that is being done ... now the question is do we need to wait for the resolution vote now. the hand has been played.

Is any of the other members on the unsc both permanent and non permanent and also regional and global states allowed to make changes to the draft ... Russia (currently permanent member) ... japan (currently non-permanent member) ... Egypt (currently non-permanent member) ... Uruguay (currently non permanent member) ... france (currently permanent member) ... 15 members ...

will there be changes made to the resolution? is this a final version ...

japan and russia and india ? even pakistan looking at this and wondering where was the love.

on one hand someone will say that they were not told and were kept in the dark (suggesting no control and dominance) ... on the other hand do no want to loose control and have management over others ... and again on the 3rd dimension the clear and present case that this was all planned. multiple unsc resolutions over 10 years and now for the strongest in over 20 years ...

it is clear what is happening ... and India whatever it does next needs to be done without fear. one might even read the current draft to be pointing at india to not test ... why mention "20 years" is it reference to 1172 (near 20 years) ... make the draft even stronger and without loopholes. why not "since Earth inception". why the loopholes ...

all this does is surely to make north korea a internal problem and province of PRC ... anything and everything related to north korea be done by and from PRC is what the resolution is doing - > needed a nuclear test to say that and for others !! when it was the truth since long. north korea is a PRC province and this resolution would in fact make it more secure because the PRC umbrella will now be codified and others are in fact asked to get away. try and get the UN to monitor and punish PRC ... good luck with that ... already PRC showing what it does with international relations and especially ones for internal audience. need another UNSC resolution for that perhaps.

is this really the best the world can do ...

the discussion needs to be much far away and move to more advanced global nuclear security and a india nuclear test would allow for that.

some will say the worst case for india is [x] ... some will say the best case for india is [y] and it would be needed anyway to get its shape in order for the next phase of development and role in the future.

you know a bit like PRC is supporting North Korea in this. Would be good to see who and how many support India ... and i think it would be good for the eyes.

Why try and make a single takeaway when a bigger takeaway can be done. the UNSC resolution must not be north korea specific but Nuclear weapon testing specific. And also NPT signatory (before) and NPT non-signatory (never). The UNSC resolution needs to talk about the actualities ... truth and facts ... the reality ... and even the future.

difficult decisions and the ones with preparations are ones that can be rewarding.

Jai Hind.

 

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China urges UNSC resolution to make North Korea 'pay price'

http://timesofoman.com/article/7732...pay-the-necessary-price-quot;-for-recent-rock

North Korea Sanctions: Some Chinese Banks Begin To Freeze Accounts, Report Says (22 feb)

http://www.ibtimes.com/north-korea-...nks-begin-freeze-accounts-report-says-2316723

China blocking North Korea ships ahead of U.N. resolution (25 Feb)

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...a-ships-ahead-of-UN-resolution/9091456415441/

China to follow UN resolution on North Korea (28 Feb)

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2016/02/116_199231.html

The view was to be that North Korea is crazy and do not punish it too harshly.

But another critique to the above is when Russia stepped in to "delay" by procedure ... the PRC wanted the UNSC to sanction and pass the resolution quickly even the the view that they had and were punishing North Korea ahead of the UNSC resolution 2270. Why PRC eager - why not keep mouth shut and news shut about such ... why announce it ... what is the message ... confident north korea will not do anything ... thought north korea did not talk to prc anymore like how they did not tell them about north korea test (learned from the last time not to tell - PRC to tell usa that they were not told).

What is it - that North Korea must not be punish too strongly ... North Korea must be punished quickly.

Why PRC suddenly telling the world to trust them and also believe in them and they can be trusted and seen even by its actions before the UNSC 2270.

What happened to:

1) Risk of North Korea reaction onto PRC. You know dissatisfied by PRC support. Why North Korea sent some of its short range missiles - bullets near South Korea ... why Not near PRC and into PRC. Was that what the world was told - do not harm North Korea it is the jewelry of PRC and if smack them they will implode and threaten PRC.

2) Why PRC suddenly come around to passing a UNSC resolution. Threat of others testing - especially India !!

It is clear for everyone to see that UNSC resolution has not made North Korea react except for some firing into the sea and some strong words. But that was always the case before and will be for future.

Question is why did PRC suddenly come around to passing a UNSC resolution and even making squeal and screech noise before the UNSC resolution was pass. Why sudden willingness ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Volunteer_Army

The (Chinese) People's Volunteer Army (PVA or CPVA; simplified Chinese: 中国人民志愿军; traditional Chinese: 中國人民志願軍; pinyin: Zhōngguó Rénmín Zhìyuàn Jūn) was the armed forces deployed by the People's Republic of China during the Korean War.[a] Although all units in the Chinese People's Volunteer Army were actually transferred from the People's Liberation Army (the official name of the Chinese armed forces) under orders of the Chinese Communist Party, the People's Volunteer Army was separately constituted in order to prevent an official war with the United States. The People's Volunteer Army entered Korea on October 19, 1950, and completely withdrew by October 1958. The nominal commander and political commissar of the CPVA was Peng Dehuai before the ceasefire agreement in 1953, although both Chen Geng and Deng Hua served as acting commander and commissar after April 1952 due to Peng's illness. The initial (October 25 – November 5, 1950) units in the CPVA included 38th, 39th, 40th, 42nd, 50th, 66th Army totaling 250,000 men, and eventually about 3 million Chinese civilian and military personnel served in Korea by July 1953.

The UNSC Resolution 2270 only makes North Korea a Vassal state and 100% dependent on PRC. Before UNSC resolution 2270 it was 95% with South Korea and Japan and even USA (dennis rodham style).

The conventional weapons and military support for North Korea will come from PRC.

There is also mention of that these sanctions are the strongest since 20 years. And suddenly after that mention Iraq and first Gulf war was in 1990 - that was 26+ years ago = better use 30 years.


Why do it keep talking about this. Because the UNSC Resolution 2270 can be seen from the view of UNSC Resolution 1172.

Also UNSC Resolution 2270 is not a strong resolution and has many loopholes.

The USA and others have said sure there are loopholes and the others will take advantage.

Is it they are taking this step by step. Get the PRC and others to unzip their pants before pulling them down.

It is false pretense because PRC wanted to unzip their pants anyway.


All UNSC 2270 does is makes North Korea be more secure because it has a codified text for PRC protection. For its livelihood.

But the most critical is that UNSC 2270 and its timing (why not delay for 5 more days - until middle of March) was to prevent what ??

I would not use the word prevent but make more difficult - make too easy.


Like I have said a India Nuclear test would make many positive takeaways.

I would like to add that another reason for India to test is if a Panthankot and even any Terrorist attack happens on Indian soil.

This is to make sure the message is clear a Panthankot and terrorist attack on India will NOT make it be distracted and distanced from taking its role and position.

Someone said that when the 9-11 attacks happened on USA ... the terrorists did not play by rules and procedures.

Someone also said that when abottabad happened on Pakistan ... the rules and procedures were applied (but not on Pakistan).

It is because the sensible follow sense and do that right thing.


Now if we test a nuclear weapon will India get a UNSC resolution like 2270 - will we get a UNSC like 1172.

Will we finally tell the world that the Nuclear system is not correct and do not blame India ... the blame is obvious where it needs to be. The timing cannot be more perfect. Economically, politically, globally.

When Pakistan wants to warn India about a possible terrorist attack ... i am sure they would be thinking it would be a good Idea that India test a nuclear weapon. Because Pakistan needs to know and feel its importance - like North Korea has.

Because Vassal States are cheap to manage and never ever complain and are always obedient.

Reason and justification for a Indian nuclear test is near perfect and with the auspicious dates.

 

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UNSC Resolution 2270 - what a well thought of resolution done with care and touch. Pakistan must be thinking it is upper caste to have been clubbed with India on UNSC 1172. Pakistan in percentage terms is must far worse off - if one looks at North Korea. Because at least with North Korea they got the below.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/united-nations-security-council-resolution-2270

An overview of the resolution is provided below, with an emphasis on the paragraphs imposing obligations on UN member states.

Preamble

The resolution contains a brief preamble citing concern over the DPRK’s January 2016 nuclear test, conducted in violation of prior UNSC resolutions and constituting a threat to the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and international peace and security generally. Even though the operative language of the resolution does not refer to human rights abuses within the DPRK, the preamble makes vague references to the “importance that the DPRK respond to other security and humanitarian concerns of the international community,” the “hardship that the DPRK people are subjected to,” and the “unmet needs” of DPRK citizens.

Operative Language

Weapons

Under paragraph 6 of resolution 2270, all weapons imports and exports to and from Pyongyang are prohibited. Previously, paragraph 8(a) of resolution 1718 required UN member states to prevent the direct or indirect supply, sale, or transfer to the DPRK of battle tanks, armored vehicles, combat aircrafts, attack helicopters, warships, large artillery systems, missiles or missile systems, certain luxury goods, and “items, materials, equipment, goods and technology determined by the [UNSC] or the Committee” which could contribute to the DPRK’s nuclear, ballistic missile, and weapons of mass destruction-related programs. Now, UN member states must prevent “all arms and related materiel, including small arms and light weapons and their related materiel” from being transferred to the DPRK, along with financial transactions, technical training, advice, services, and assistance related to the provision, use, manufacture, or maintenance of such arms and related materials. UN Security Council Resolution 2270, Paragraph 6 (2016). Additionally, 2270 (Annex IV) expands the category of “luxury goods” to include luxury watches, aquatic recreational vehicles (i.e., personal watercrafts), snowmobiles valued over $2,000, items of lead crystal, and recreational sports equipment.

2270, in language from paragraph 8, also bans transferring to North Korea “any item” except food or medicine that “could directly contribute to the development of the DPRK’s operational capabilities of its armed forces.” Combined with paragraph 6, 2270 aims to implement a complete ban on all weapons-related transfers to and from the DPRK, whether to enrich its nuclear program or to enhance its conventional armed forces.

Cargo Searches

2270 requires states to inspect all cargo within or transiting through its territory if originating from or directed to the DPRK. Searches are expressly authorized, and required, at “airports, seaports and freed trade zones.” Importantly, a reasonable suspicion is not expressly necessary before initiating cargo searches. This paragraph of the resolution does not state this explicitly, but the paragraph’s silence coupled with express references to a reasonableness requirement with respect to at least one other brand of inspection suggests the UNSC intended to require member states to conduct searches without regard to having a reasonable basis on which to conduct it. If there is cargo within or transiting through a state’s territory, it must be inspected. The inspection provision also applies to cargo shipments that have been brokered or facilitated by the DPRK.

The resolution also requires member states to forbid any aircraft from overflying, taking off, or landing in its territory if the state has reasonable grounds to believe that the aircraft has items prohibited by the set of UNSC Resolutions passed regarding the DPRK. There is an exception for when such acts occur in order to facilitate an inspection as described above. The restriction also applies to vessels in seaports if they are owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by a designated individual or entity.

Asset Seizure and Travel Bans

Additionally, the resolution adds 28 named persons and entities to have their assets frozen and/or to impose a travel ban against them. This builds on paragraph 8(d) of resolution 1718.

Sanctions Evasion

2270 requires member states to expel, in a manner consistent with national and international law, DPRK agents within their territory if a state determines that the agent is working on behalf or at the direction of a designated individual or entity in order to assist in evading sanctions. The same action shall be taken when a member state determines that a non-DPRK foreign national or agent is working to assist a named entity avoid sanctions.

Education and Training

The resolution seeks to prevent member states from offering specialized teaching or training of DPRK nationals in areas which could contribute to the growth of the DPRK’s nuclear proliferation activities. This provision prevents DPRK nationals from studying advanced physics, nuclear engineering, geospatial navigation, advanced computer simulation and related computer sciences, as well as any other relevant discipline.

Other

2270 calls on member states to prohibit their nationals from leasing or chartering their flagged vessels or aircrafts and from registering vessels in the DPRK. The resolution requires member states to prevent the purchase of coal, iron, iron ore from the DPRK if used to generate revenue for the DPRK’s nuclear or ballistic missile programs. With respect to gold, titanium ore, vanadium ore, and rare earth minerals, member states are required to prevent the procurement of the items from the DPRK regardless of how the revenue might be used. Even though gaps remain—the DPRK can use proceeds from coal and iron sales for other purposes—this and the rare earth minerals restriction are significant given minerals and metallurgical products are major export commodities of the DPRK. The DPRK’s sale and transfer of aviation gasoline is supposed to be limited under 2270 by a member state procurement prohibition, except when supplied for civilian passenger aircrafts outside the DPRK “exclusively for consumption during its flight to the DPRK and its return flight.” 2270 also tasks member states with prohibiting the opening and operation of new branches, subsidiaries, and representative offices of DPRK banks (with a reciprocal restriction on national banks from opening branches in the DPRK), preventing the establishment of joint ventures with DPRK banks (unless otherwise approved), working to close existing representative offices within their territory, and banning public and private financial support from reaching the DPRK if such aid could support the DPRK’s nuclear or ballistic missile programs and any other activity prohibited by the UN sanctions regime imposed against the DPRK.

The resolution concludes with language that reaffirms the UNSC’s commitment to a diplomatic solution to the issue and for the resumption of Six-Party Talks with the goal of denuclearizing the Korean Peninsula entirely. The UNSC affirms that it will continuously review the DPRK’s actions and modify the measures described in the resolution in light of the facts presented.

 

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For reference - and if this does not boil and make us Indians (and even Pakis) think why such a eccentric resolution - we needs a Nuclear test to set things right:

http://www.mofa.go.jp/mofaj/gaiko/naruhodo/data/pdf/data6-1.pdf

RESOLUTION 1172 (1998) Adopted by the Security Council at its 3890th meeting, on 6 June 1998 The Security Council, Reaffirming the statements of its President of 14 May 1998 (S/PRST/1998/12) and of 29 May 1998 (S/PRST/1998/17), Reiterating the statement of its President of 31 January 1992 (S/23500), which stated, inter alia, that the proliferation of all weapons of mass destruction constitutes a threat to international peace and security, Gravely concerned at the challenge that the nuclear tests conducted by India and then by Pakistan constitute to international efforts aimed at strengthening the global regime of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, and also gravely concerned at the danger to peace and stability in the region, Deeply concerned at the risk of a nuclear arms race in South Asia, and determined to prevent such a race, Reaffirming the crucial importance of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty for global efforts towards nuclear non-proliferation and nuclear disarmament, Recalling the Principles and Objectives for Nuclear Non-Proliferation and Disarmament adopted by the 1995 Review and Extension Conference of the Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, and the successful outcome of that Conference, Affirming the need to continue to move with determination towards the full realization and effective implementation of all the provisions of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, and welcoming the determination of the five nuclear-weapon States to fulfil their commitments relating to nuclear disarmament under Article VI of that Treaty, Mindful of its primary responsibility under the Charter of the United Nations for the maintenance of international peace and security, 98-15860 (E) /... S/RES/1172 (1998) Page 2 1. Condemns the nuclear tests conducted by India on 11 and 13 May 1998 and by Pakistan on 28 and 30 May 1998; 2. Endorses the Joint Communique issued by the Foreign Ministers of China, France, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America at their meeting in Geneva on 4 June 1998 (S/1998/473); 3. Demands that India and Pakistan refrain from further nuclear tests and in this context calls upon all States not to carry out any nuclear weapon test explosion or any other nuclear explosion in accordance with the provisions of the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty; 4. Urges India and Pakistan to exercise maximum restraint and to avoid threatening military movements, cross-border violations, or other provocations in order to prevent an aggravation of the situation; 5. Urges India and Pakistan to resume the dialogue between them on all outstanding issues, particularly on all matters pertaining to peace and security, in order to remove the tensions between them, and encourages them to find mutually acceptable solutions that address the root causes of those tensions, including Kashmir; 6. Welcomes the efforts of the Secretary-General to encourage India and Pakistan to enter into dialogue; 7. Calls upon India and Pakistan immediately to stop their nuclear weapon development programmes, to refrain from weaponization or from the deployment of nuclear weapons, to cease development of ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear weapons and any further production of fissile material for nuclear weapons, to confirm their policies not to export equipment, materials or technology that could contribute to weapons of mass destruction or missiles capable of delivering them and to undertake appropriate commitments in that regard; 8. Encourages all States to prevent the export of equipment, materials or technology that could in any way assist programmes in India or Pakistan for nuclear weapons or for ballistic missiles capable of delivering such weapons, and welcomes national policies adopted and declared in this respect; 9. Expresses its grave concern at the negative effect of the nuclear tests conducted by India and Pakistan on peace and stability in South Asia and beyond; 10. Reaffirms its full commitment to and the crucial importance of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty as the cornerstones of the international regime on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and as essential foundations for the pursuit of nuclear disarmament; 11. Expresses its firm conviction that the international regime on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons should be maintained and consolidated and /... S/RES/1172 (1998) Page 3 recalls that in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons India or Pakistan cannot have the status of a nuclear-weapon State; 12. Recognizes that the tests conducted by India and Pakistan constitute a serious threat to global efforts towards nuclear non-proliferation and disarmament; 13. Urges India and Pakistan, and all other States that have not yet done so, to become Parties to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and to the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty without delay and without conditions; 14. Urges India and Pakistan to participate, in a positive spirit and on the basis of the agreed mandate, in negotiations at the Conference on Disarmament in Geneva on a treaty banning the production of fissile material for nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices, with a view to reaching early agreement; 15. Requests the Secretary-General to report urgently to the Council on the steps taken by India and Pakistan to implement the present resolution; 16. Expresses its readiness to consider further how best to ensure the implementation of the present resolution; 17. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.

 

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Omnipotent uncle Sam can kill Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin in their own dens but not baby-faced despot Kim Jong-Un. Too scared of nukes?

 

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Omnipotent uncle Sam can kill Saddam Hussain, Osama Bin in their own dens but not baby-faced despot Kim Jong-Un. Too scared of nukes?

You know it is the north korea will implode and threaten PRC thesis. And also threaten South Korea, Japan without control.

If North Korea goes down it takes everyone along - you know where we have heard that before and with nukes (Pakistan). And many say that both North Korea and Pakistan nukes are PRC controlled and supplied.

But somehow i think USA is not playing this well. I admire americans and they are much smarter to the PRC but this time i am not seeing it. The USA play too much to pictures and images now and not carefully planned moves. USA also has a mastery over using resources. Sure there are many layers and time is not constant in such things and it is a step by step approach and also no one seeing ahead. But the gulf war 1 was not beneficial (saddam still in power) if one looks to gulf war 2 and ahead to usa. The PRC is playing them better. But India has the ace card. Does USA want India to test that is the big q.

The distance from Seoul to the border.

The distance from New Delhi to the border.

How can we make Pakistan and North Korea scale down in rhetoric. This can be done and one can explain such benefits after the Indian Nuclear test - because that would make balance. Balance is not a small word but a composition of the understanding between many on what will happen. The India Nuclear test is not country specific but regional and global specific. India is not a small country and small player.

I have a strong feeling that Pakistan will this time come out in support for India because it will give them a new path and opportunity and a chance. A India Nuclear test will deserve a language suited for a nuclear weapon state and one that is not only thinking about it self but many others.

Watching Russia use a "procedure" to delay the resolution. Enough said.

 

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Such pleasant talk also romantic words especially to someone that screwed and played America better. Such mildness to someone that has made things messy for the region and world and also tried to middle finger America:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...718e8c-e0a8-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

What remains to be seen is if Chinese President Xi Jingping will apply these sanctions rigorously — or whether his consent to them was merely a feint intended to head off unwanted developments such as South Korean missile defense. It’s telling that China’s U.N. ambassador brought up the missile defense system just before voting for sanctions — and that a first U.S.-South Korean meeting on the missile defense system was postponed as the resolution came together. Also revealing is a new report by a committee of U.N. experts, which found massive evasion of past U.N. sanctions against North Korea, with the connivance of Chinese companies and banks as well as regimes such as Burma’s.

For China, the best-case scenario is that the new sanctions hurt just enough to prompt the Kim regime to offer to negotiate on its nuclear arsenal, something it has refused to do in recent years. That would shift the burden of containing the regime to the United States, without risking its collapse. Though the long history of such negotiations is one of repetitive failures, the Obama administration likely would embrace such an offer. On the other hand, if North Korea’s regime proves intransigent, China could be tasked with overseeing a prolonged economic siege. The chances that it will do so still seem slim.

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For PRC the best-case is that India does not test and also North Korea status quo is maintained be that through UNSC resolutions and 6 party talks (with Russia being a procedural player and another getting played by PRC).

I personally think PRC ought to say this to America - North Korea will come under nuclear inspection and status like Taiwan does through America. Exactly like Taiwan is a Vassal state of USA by Law. North Korea is a Vassal state of PRC by Law. You know make the nuclear system stronger ... you know make other states want to think there is no way to test nuclear weapons. You know make states like Saudi Arabia link to Pakistan be like ... You know make states that are anti-Israel link to others be like ...

We can all enjoy the North Korean language that PRC will propose to the world in whatever talks be it G2, 6 party talks a bit like this (and please do not blame India). When the fact is that UNSC Resolution 2270 can be used for what it really is - a justification for India to test and make the nuclear system more secure and valid and proper for India was never on NPT:

However, it signed a trilateral agreement with the United States and the IAEA in 1971 stating that it would continue to abide by the terms of the NPT as a ratification party. While not a member of the IAEA, Taiwan does continue to subscribe to the IAEA’s safeguards under two agreements, INFCIRC/133 and INFCIRC/158.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

(replace the words Taiwan with North Korea).

Ibid:
"As a responsible permanent member of the U.N. Security Council, (Wu said) China will sincerely implement the new resolution," Hwang told reporters after the meeting.

However, it has remained a question whether China, the North's last major ally, will sincerely enforce the sanctions, regarded as the harshest in decades against the reclusive state.

For its part, China has called on the relevant nations to discuss denuclearization of the peninsula and a truce-to-peace mechanism at the same time, apparently attempting to hold cooperation between Seoul, Washington and Tokyo in check, mindful of the expanding American influence in Northeast Asia.

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If USA thinks and wants everyone to think that THAAD and missile defense was and is a parameter in this ... the PRC does not care and mind at all. The PRC is going along and playing USA and pissing on them frankly. USA was and is always going to defend South Korea in PRC calculations and with Nuclear weapons. For PRC the worst takeaway from THAAD is that it only makes impact on the global chinese who think why China (PRC, ROC, others) having America treat them like this - and point finger at Communist Party for making USA become enemy ... you know like the Senate and Congress look at PRC and sanction because of North Korea ... you know Chinese do not want to question Communist control over one China - hence the THAAD talking - does American Chinese like Gary Locke want to go on the phone in a car and explain to the world why THAAD is significant. What is difference between Ageis and Thaad and also Japan, Guam and Taiwan and South Korea and even Philippines. PRC dont want to have the world talk about USA and PRC being enemy and PRC defending North Korea but that is with view on overseas chinese and in areas outside PRC (including Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc etc)

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Marines arrive for drills in Korea amid North’s threats

“Things could get dicey in the next couple months,” Klingner said in an interview. “We’re already seeing North Korea starting to issue threats: If the U.S. doesn’t stop these exercises or doesn’t cancel these exercises, North Korea may take appropriate action.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ve-drills-korea-amid-norths-threats/81371060/

(Anything happens dont blame India - South Korea and Japan and USA looking with suspicions on PRC was not a sudden development and much lost to the perception).

Can a India Nuclear test make things calmer ... answer is obvious. Will one see PRC trying to play role of superhero by punishing North Korea before India tests nuclear weapon (another blow to PRC prestige - and Pakistan watching - PRC supporting Afghanistan in military arms - Pakistan can always rely on high expectations of PRC. Will PRC come into play after North Korea destroys for example a ship and makes military action on South Korea ... like it has before. But this time PRC takeaway will be unfortunate for itself and spotlight on President Xi will be immense (probably already is by the party).)

India has the ace of cards. Too many takeaways and in a peaceful way. Our first test was labelled peaceful and if India conducts one shortly it will be peaceful not only by words but action. And this time the impact will be felt on the PRC leadership (because it would have been played and got not much from testing - see what has been lost and gained - much worse and awful for PRC if India tests - South Korea, Japan, USA and others all gaining).

I have come to feel that President Xi is not going to last much longer. Too many mistakes on his part and making PRC looking worse not only locally but globally. The North Korea nuclear test also made to the forefront how displaced and far away from the actions PRC was to what its people wanted and make others feel that PRC is - anti-North Korea. When PRC is opposite.

The timing for a India nuclear test cannot be more perfect. Economically, politically, globally. A India Nuclear Test shortly will be good for the region and world.

Jai Hind.

 

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U.S. student in North Korea sentenced to 15 years of hard labour

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-pape...to-15-years-of-hard-labour/article8362489.ece



It's as if the koreans are asking US to attack them.

 

[Compersion]

PRC asked unsc to amend the resolution after make it more comfortable. They (USA) accepted.

North Korea has ONLY made provocations to south Korea, Japan and USA and NOT PRC. Is this only for show for USA and prc get away with codification of a proxy state. What happened with go easy on north Korea since they would attack prc. Is this PRC saying that prc got USA the best deal. What slick moves and USA getting closer defence relationship with others. But what it says for nuclear proliferation and pakistan and Israel.

Prc getting all the crumbs and way. North Korea is 100% under its control now. Another nuclear test by north Korea - such arrogance by PRC !! And india waiting for what ?? Stand up for yourself is what prc saying. And they have seen a SCS policy that makes others react. Prc getting all the same ...