North Korea Says It Has Conducted 'Successful' Hydrogen Bomb Test

[Alien]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_Incident
Well, Vela Incident is most known. Moreover, there are still many places which are undetectable by Spy SATs.

Well, I was under impression that, Vela incident pertained to Israel-SA only! Didn't know that, it had so many probable parties including India.

 

[Kshatriya87]

You should, especially when the words are,about Nukes and Missiles.

Even if they are not true / cannot be proved? At least they should have significant past activities which can be linked and a conclusion can be drawn.

 

[Scarface]

God Empreror Kim Jong Un will lead us to glory and show those capitalists dogs who's boss !!!!.

NKs outlandish claims have diminished their credibility so much I can't take them seriously unless they go public with the results which nobody would,no matter success or failure.

But that's the only way to prove things when you lack credibility

 

[Indx TechStyle]

If there are blind spots in satellite coverage, wont they take additional measures to bridge that gap? Check US preparations during cold war. They laid a long sonar cable from US to europe to serve as an analogue trip wire to detect Soviet ships. These are people who do things meticulously. It's not like they will see a blind spot in their coverage and say "opps, we will never know what's going on there".

Check this video, it shows their overlapping satellite coverage (timeline 6:00 to 8:00) :


Imagine, if they are comfortable with deliberately showing the world these capabilities in their advertisement itself, then their real, undisclosed strength is bound to be at least 5X of that.

Well, it's not era of cold war that spy SATs are deployed everywhere. Many places have lost attention since US and Russia has cut down number of spy SATs at very great extent. Moreover, countries can have own methods of hiding nuclear test like posing it as earthquake, Tsunami or Volcanic blast after test.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Well, I was under impression that, Vela incident pertained to Israel-SA only! Didn't know that, it had so many probable parties including India.

As mentioned in articles, Indian Armed Forces and Delivery Systems have approach to roughly half of the world. Plus no other country is so desperate to test nukes like us because we want to prove our power against P5.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Well, it's not era of cold war that spy SATs are deployed everywhere. Many places have lost attention since US and Russia has cut down number of spy SATs at very great extent. Moreover, countries can have own methods of hiding nuclear test like posing it as earthquake, Tsunami or Volcanic blast after test.

Geotechnical stations would be able to confirm if it was actually an earthquake caused by tectonic plates shifting or just vibrations caused by an explosion.

 

[Kshatriya87]

As mentioned in articles, Indian Armed Forces and Delivery Systems have approach to roughly half of the world. Plus no other country is so desperate to test nukes like us because we want to prove our power against P5.

If we use our nuclear submarine as launch pads, we can literally strike any part of the world.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Geotechnical stations would be able to confirm if it was actually an earthquake caused by tectonic plates shifting or just vibrations caused by an explosion.

That's all but doesn't matter for us.
That is why they identified explosion but


They couldn't tell which country did this.
Extend your global range and excellent opportunity will be there for your country.
In today's scenario, India badly needs large sized thermonuclear weapons.
Countries like Britain and France stand nowhere against us but size, power and reliability of their nukes gives them plus points.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

^^^^ From above post I meant do nuclear tests in Oceans.They may find it's a nuclear explosion.
But how will they prove India did this?

 

[Navneet Kundu]

Nuclear weapons emit gamma rays which can be traced. In fact, if you go to any port, even in India, you can see those gamma ray detectors. As to finding out the origin, how do you think their ballistic defense works if not by maintaining 24/7 coverage? A country claiming to have ballistic defense means they have attained 100% satellite coverage which detects all launches.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Nuclear weapons emit gamma rays which can be traced. In fact, if you go to any port, even in India, you can see those gamma ray detectors. As to finding out the origin, how do you think their ballistic defense works if not by maintaining 24/7 coverage? A country claiming to have ballistic defense means they have attained 100% satellite coverage which detects all launches.

Radiation can very easily be shielded against these sensors by keeping the nukes in thick lead containers.

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[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

It is in India's interest to enhance contact with N.Korea. Disregard American mainstream media propaganda, they do it because it suits *their* foreign policy. As a semi-failed, cash-starved nation at the periphery of China, N.Korea is of immense importance to us as a pressure point. There are two options : If we destabilize it, then it will cause a migrant flood to China, or another alternative is to strengthen it with weapons and use it to blackmail China. After all, we are giving weapons to Vietnam for the same reason, why should we ignore a golden opportunity and treat N.Korea as some sort of a joker who we need to laugh at and ignore.

Plus, it will help us keep South Korea in check. Why? because we don't have any pressure points against them and they can (indurectly) send weapons to Pakistan. The US regularly uses it's vassal states to send arms to Pakistan to keep its own hands clean. Note that S.Korea passed on their tracked artillery tech to Turkey and we all know that Turkey and Pakistan suck each other's dicks so that tech might end up in Paki hands. America allowed many European nations to give arms to Pakistan because it suited them and we had no leverage against those individual nations. Fucking France even gave them AIP Subs.

It's time we started cultivating hard deterrence against all nations of interest.

China is already their daddy. Don't know if they need another daddy.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

China is already their daddy. Don't know if they need another daddy.

Not necessary to have daddy level of commitment, just a tactical co-operation on case by case basis. There's always things that nations need which other nations have. If you check the Wikipedia page for India-N.Korea trade it seems like we have been trading with them since long time.

It is in our interest that all rogue states that threaten USA remain alive and afloat. As long as American attention is divided by multiple threats, their will to indulge in any adventurism in the Indian sub-continent is reduced.

 

[Kshatriya87]

Not necessary to have daddy level of commitment, just a tactical co-operation on case by case basis. There's always things that nations need which other nations have. If you check the Wikipedia page for India-N.Korea trade it seems like we have been trading with them since long time.

It is in our interest that all rogue states that threaten USA remain alive and afloat. As long as American attention is divided by multiple threats, their will to indulge in any adventurism in the Indian sub-continent is reduced.

Its all well and good when it comes to war with pak. But in case of a war with China, we need the American support.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

US-China has annual trade of 500 billion, plus China has about 3 Trillion in American bonds. If at all a conflict breaks out between these two, even before the first bullet is fired it will be an economic war resulting in a total global economic meltdown. It's unlikely that these two will ever indulge in the kind of 'wars of choice' that these both have indulged with smaller nations in the past.

At the most America can fight a defensive war with China.

As far as American support to India, think about why the US hates China? has China ever fired a single bullet at the US? has any Chinese citizen ever burnt an American flag calling for 'death to America'? Why is it then that the US hates it? that's because the US doesn't want any Asian giant to surpass American hegemony. In that case why would they support India? how is India any different than China in the American strategic calculations? So if they are supporting us, the scope will be limited to counterbalance China and will not be any drastic assistance which will increase our actual power. They don't love India any more than China. They want to contain both. It would be naive on our part to assume that the US wants us to expand our strategic capabilities.

India, US, Russia, China are a part of the multipolar world where each independent pole is trying to impede the other. Sometimes with each other's help, sometimes alone. There can never be an alliance between these powers. We can't rely on any foreign nation for help during war. All we can do is use the temporary peace to build ourselves up.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Interesting coincidence Chinese economy collapsing and North Korea tests a hydrogen bomb. Very strange timing.


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[Compersion]

north korea has done 4 tests over a period of 10 years ... one every 2.5 years

seems no one is able to stop them even PRC.

seems if no one is able to stop them there is a deficiency in the system and there must be a test of India and overcome such a circus and joke being played by the PRC and North Korea on the world. is this a loss of face on PRC ? will PRC able to say there must be 6 party talks ? must PRC say and pretend that they hate North Korea. Can India conduct some juicy nuke tests please now it is being played about like it only wants to see others enjoy the cake. We ought to have announced publicly that if North Korea tested we would have and would do the same.

 

[Navneet Kundu]

Well said. Our proven capabilities were restricted below the sub-megaton level and we have supposedly improved our designs via computer simulations which is not good enough. We need to do a proper thermonuclear test before even thinking about UNSC. If we don't have balls for nuke tests then we are not powerful enough to demand UNSC seat.

BTW, the nuke test was reported by N.Korea and earthquake was corroborated by S.Korea which means N.Korea is not faking it.

India has expressed concern which means if N.Korea is not reigned in, we might start throwing tantrums. What those tantrums are, only time will tell.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

What has throwing tantrums done for India via a vis Pakistan?


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[Compersion]

I really feel that now is near a perfect time for us to test - probably near perfect.

Public opinion on the terror attacks (+ a mirage being created where we need to show muscle) also move away from paki and into greater sphere and also north Korea jokers (PRC proxy) testing.

A nuke test by India will bring a reality that is deserving to be served fresh and hot - it is a joke on whoever took responsibility that north Korea won't test - and they had four times in 10 years.

I would love to see how PRC votes in any unsc action on north Korea. Total circus.

Forget that we ought to look after ourselves and test ... Its a total joke the system is allowing a north Korea (PRC proxy) advance. Even with and without it deserves affirmation on our part to concludes the system is AGAIN discriminatory against us. Why we need to watch the jokers ... We need to role the film. And yep paki will benefit from PRC - north Korea test. And that is even bigger joke ... No consequence and no damage for these actors.

The minimum and least we have to do immediately is tell the world we are preparing a nuke test. Let them cry and lift their skirts. We need to extract maximum from this. Be that from actual testing and setting landmark and reasons on us testing (now and later) to even promotion of our nuclear weapon status into actual npt and not this grey shade (although it is admirable) we have to even stretching into unsc seat for us. We have to stop this joke where we watch others testings without any inhibition and also total deciet and we sit with a attack on our military base and international customs behavior.

Russia probably will and is realising that PRC will use russia like a prostitute (in unsc)... What a joke.

If all agree on unsc that make north Korea tantrum ... And go berserk ... Prc will say that No one wants that !! Lol

Russia smell the coffee and see PRC use you like a paki ...

Is PRC using this to deflect away from internal problem ... Now that is not a joke.