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When tempers calm down ..Let's think with right mind.
This is the first time Army has come out in open and claimed that they have done the mistake .GOI is also trying to it's best to calm the situation ..With all the shits going on internally and externally we cannot get involved in the new front . Not that we cannot deal with it but because it will consume our lot of resources and money and all the good work of 3 decades will go in drain.

Few things IMO should be done
1. Don't ever involve Para in the operations inside our territories, this truly sucks . Para should be only used for very very sensitive operations like surgical strikes
2 Deal with insurgencies like we deal Naxal , Army is too sacrosanct to be involved in CI /CT operations , and guess what even army doesn't want to get involved in this murky business ..Get CAPF and BSF into this or better raise a new fucking unit to combat terrorism (not from army like RR)
3. Heads must roll now ASAP , Para unit only follow order (they are killing machine whom you have to point to target) so they are not to be blames BUT Who gave them the Intel? and also the one who wants to involve Para in such minor operations which can be carried out by Assam Rifles .
4 . Start conscription from Nagaland and North east.
5. This is true tragic incident , feel the sensitivity of the situation and calm down . And for the God sake stop this christian thing . Naga identity is not religious , it's cultural ..Even if they had been Hindus we might had same issues ..
 

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Home Minister has given statement. He has initiated the investigations, taken administration and all stake holders on board, deeply regrated the loss of Civilians and warned forces to avoid such incidents in future.

There is nothing hidden or agenda driven here. This is not the first-time forces have admitted to their mistake and taken action against involved.

I hope lessons will be learnt.

On DFI's behalf I mourn the loss of Para SF solider and condemn the violent mobs who attacked on duty soldiers. (Other Moderators and Admins are free to challenge this statement)

This is a dirty war, the filth on social media and sinister accusations will be published by usual suspects.

If you have any credible information published on credible media or any other updates or statements made by concerned entities then use National security section or PM me to open this thread.

Best Regards.
 

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Drugs worth over Rs 500 cr seized, Myanmar man held

In the biggest ever haul of contraband drugs in the entire North East, a combined team of Moreh police and 43 Assam Rifles seized suspected heroin and crystal meth-amphetamine commonly known as crystal meth worth over Rs 500 crore in the international market from one house located at Sunrise ground at Moreh near Indo-Myanmar Friendship Gate no 2, yesterday.
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I have same question over and over again ..Why the fuck for every operation we have to use Para ..Para should be used only and only for the operation which are very critical probably on foreign soils..
And even if para was involved why the govt is defaming them ..Have they even thought what effect that would have on Morale on the army ...

STOP using para for small operation . And for that matter stop using Para unless we have do operation on foreign soil ..
21 Para SF are the same chaps who did the cross border Myanmar raid in 2015.

A seek and destroy ambush mission like this has to be vetted at a pretty high level and the planners probably chose 21 SF after some deliberation.

A civilian Govt. is largely made up of a bunch of cowards who will throw anyone who suits the situation into the fire in order to save their political capital regardless of party or leader.

A court of inquiry has been ordered by the Army. Let's hear both sides of the story and I hope the men in uniform get a fair trial.
 
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Myanmar hands over 5 senior commanders of Manipur PLA (Chinese backed insurgent group) to India.
The group was involved in the recent killing of Assam Rifles Colonel and his family.
Then they are definitely expecting something in return. We should consider it. Principally Myanmar may not have been a good administration, but why should we care? We are not Burmese, they are no longer a part of India and have got their own internal stuff to resolve.

We should help the Burmese government by reciprocating this gesture.

There are reports that they want attack helicopters & air defence equipment. We should oblige. American & British firms are whining about their investors having stocks in BEL, but we should ignore them and continue this.

The PLA of Manipur is nothing but a commie-baptist mishmash funded entirely by the Chinese. If we had UCAVs, we could have taken Myanmar's consent and obliterated their camps from within.
 
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5 rebels deported to Imphal
Imphal, December 15 2021: At least five prominent rebel leaders of the proscribed Revolutionary People's Front (RPF) have been deported to Imphal, today.

The revels who have been identified as Koireng, Banner, Agam, Abi and Devan were reportedly brought by a special flight of Indian Air Force from Myanmar at around 11 am.

They have been taken to an undisclosed police station from Imphal Airport by the State police, as per a reliable source.

It is further reported that the 5 rebels were arrested by the Myanmar authority from Momyuva under Sagaing region in August 2020 .

It is yet to be established whether they are involved in any major crime, added the source.

Recently a combined team of RPF and the Manipur Naga People's Front ambushed an Assam Rifles' convoy, killing Colonel Viplav Tripathi , his wife, six-year-old son and four soldiers in Churachandpur district.
 

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Then they are definitely expecting something in return.
Mynmar is under immense international sanctions.Helping them out can get us into a whole lot of unnecessary trouble.

We tend to forget that they are a country whose government is at war with not not just various ethnic groups but it's own citizens.They are having a civil war which we should not dirty our hands.

We would be far better off if we deal with Karen or Kachin rebel groups.

We should help the Burmese government by reciprocating this gesture.

There are reports that they want attack helicopters & air defence equipment. We should oblige. American & British firms are whining about their investors having stocks in BEL, but we should ignore them and continue this.
If the government wants to do a secret financial deal as a reward,then it's okay but going beyond that will have adverse consequences for us.

Many western firms who are partnering with us in various critical projects will abandon us which we cannot afford at this point in time.
Further there is a real risk of ourselves coming under sanctions,so our economy which had been hit severely by covid will suffer.

The PLA of Manipur is nothing but a commie-baptist mishmash funded entirely by the Chinese. If we had UCAVs, we could have taken Myanmar's consent and obliterated their camps from within.
Myanmar will not consent to it nor do they have any strong control over their various regions.Actually large chunks of their territory is under rebel control.If we have to take any military actions,we will have to do it on our own.
 

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Mynmar is under immense international sanctions.Helping them out can get us into a whole lot of unnecessary trouble.

We tend to forget that they are a country whose government is at war with not not just various ethnic groups but it's own citizens.They are having a civil war which we should not dirty our hands.

We would be far better off if we deal with Karen or Kachin rebel groups.



If the government wants to do a secret financial deal as a reward,then it's okay but going beyond that will have adverse consequences for us.

Many western firms who are partnering with us in various critical projects will abandon us which we cannot afford at this point in time.
Further there is a real risk of ourselves coming under sanctions,so our economy which had been hit severely by covid will suffer.



Myanmar will not consent to it nor do they have any strong control over their various regions.Actually large chunks of their territory is under rebel control.If we have to take any military actions,we will have to do it on our own.
Rebels? Bad idea. That is exactly like what CCP did with us. We wanted good ties with us and they stabbed us in the back and took our land. We don't want to do that with one of the few friends we have in our neighborhood.

Though financial incentive sounds like a good plan. Maybe we could build a seaport for them or export some railway coaches for free or simply help develop the Burmese Railway. This would be a good way to return the favor in kind.

However, it all depends on whether the junta agrees. Knowing military regimes, they would most likely ask us to hand over the dissidents taking refuge in Mizoram. The generals there are interested only in squashing remnants of political rebellion and that is a hairy geopolitical situation we don't want to get involved in. Let's see what the Burmese military asks us in return.

I assure you it won't be anything civilian.
 

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Rebels? Bad idea. That is exactly like what CCP did with us. We wanted good ties with us and they stabbed us in the back and took our land. We don't want to do that with one of the few friends we have in our neighborhood.

Though financial incentive sounds like a good plan. Maybe we could build a seaport for them or export some railway coaches for free or simply help develop the Burmese Railway. This would be a good way to return the favor in kind.

However, it all depends on whether the junta agrees. Knowing military regimes, they would most likely ask us to hand over the dissidents taking refuge in Mizoram. The generals there are interested only in squashing remnants of political rebellion and that is a hairy geopolitical situation we don't want to get involved in. Let's see what the Burmese military asks us in return.

I assure you it won't be anything civilian.
What we will do then ?
Hand over people to them ?
 

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Myanmar hands over 5 senior commanders of Manipur PLA (Chinese backed insurgent group) to India.
The group was involved in the recent killing of Assam Rifles Colonel and his family.
 

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Mynmar is under immense international sanctions.Helping them out can get us into a whole lot of unnecessary trouble.

We tend to forget that they are a country whose government is at war with not not just various ethnic groups but it's own citizens.They are having a civil war which we should not dirty our hands.

We would be far better off if we deal with Karen or Kachin rebel groups.



If the government wants to do a secret financial deal as a reward,then it's okay but going beyond that will have adverse consequences for us.

Many western firms who are partnering with us in various critical projects will abandon us which we cannot afford at this point in time.
Further there is a real risk of ourselves coming under sanctions,so our economy which had been hit severely by covid will suffer.



Myanmar will not consent to it nor do they have any strong control over their various regions.Actually large chunks of their territory is under rebel control.If we have to take any military actions,we will have to do it on our own.
We are not US to mingle on other country internal politics .I don't give a rats ass about what Mynmar is doing or not doing to its citizens .

Our primary concern should be friendly relation with them as they share one of the most notorious borders with us . We should give them what they need unless it harms our interest.

Let's stop simping west , West need us more than we need them .
We should NOT interfere in Mynmar politics , let them do whatever they want, their country their citizens
 

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Our primary concern should be friendly relation with them as they share one of the most notorious borders with us . We should give them what they need unless it harms our interest.
We should NOT interfere in Mynmar politics , let them do whatever they want, their country their citizens
Mynmar is largely a failing state.The ethnic violence that has been going on for 75 years will not subside anytime soon and the chances of Mynmar collapsing is very high.
Having friendly relationship with a country whose army largely has no control over large stretches of it's own territory will not yield any result.
If Mynmar is not going to go after North East insurgent groups,then we should do the same and carry out raids in their territory without thinking twice.

Let's stop simping west , West need us more than we need them .
The dependence is mutual.West needs us to counter China and we need western tech to do the same.
 

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Myanmar, nothing much is going to change there, they are under military rule more than the democracy. It is just that Myanmar Junta coy anyone who can provide them with money or tech, which can be China or us. They know that and they playing this drama so that they can get what they want which include no interference by these two big powers.
 

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Myanmar, nothing much is going to change there, they are under military rule more than the democracy. It is just that Myanmar Junta coy anyone who can provide them with money or tech, which can be China or us. They know that and they playing this drama so that they can get what they want which include no interference by these two big powers.
That is pretty much the case for all the smaller countries around us; Sri Lanka and Bangladesh also play this game of playing us off against China and vice versa to extract the benefits. Applicable for Nepal as well until they don't have a commie PM.

The point is, Myanmar has been a useful ally in CT and anti-drugs operations across the border. As you know, Punjab is not the only state that is "udta" in our country; this shit of narcotics is a mess in our region as well. The last thing we want is to have the entire state ravaged with drugs in the midst of insurgency + Chinese aggression.

So we will have to do a quid pro quo arrangement with them. Mizoram state government wants to continue giving refuge to the escapees, but we need to be pragmatic here for national interests. It sounds heartless, but if it has to be India's interests, a not-so-reasonable USA, an out-of-control China and handing over a few dissidents to the Burmese junta, I'd swallow my personal sentiments down and do the lattermost.

What we will do then ?
Hand over people to them ?
Yes we do. But not everyone; only the most prominent dissidents that are starting armed revolts and fomenting insurgencies. Remember, we need Myanmar's cooperation on the northeastern borders with Manipur, Mizoram and Nagaland. They are a valuable and one of the few regional countries that have been friendly with us, given that we don't have many friendly options in our neighbourhood.
 

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