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The region is mostly quiet now, except for sporadic violence, however, incidents like these and if one cannot get justice especially the Naga and these tribes who were killed are Konyaks the head hunters, might turn into a quagmire. I believe unless the top decision-maker doesn't come up with a solution quickly and tries to quell again will not surely go down well. This was supposed to be a classified operation which is fine but should have worked with Assam Rifles as they know the region very well and how the populations work.
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The early days of the Naga insurgency were brutal and don't want things to repeat again.
This will not go down well irrespective of what the government does.An average Naga still carries the resentment for the dark days of 50's and 60's.

Besides it has undone nearly 25 years of peaceful negotiations and will put the government in a very difficult position as far as Negotiations with the various Naga faction goes.
 

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This will not go down well irrespective of what the government does.An average Naga still carries the resentment for the dark days of 50's and 60's.

Besides it has undone nearly 25 years of peaceful negotiations and will put the government in a very difficult position as far as Negotiations with the various Naga faction goes.
अश्वं नैव गजं नैव व्याघ्रं नैव च नैव च ।
अजापुत्रं बलिं दद्यात् देवो दुर्बल घातकः॥

Neither horse, nor elephant, nor the lion, it's only the meek goat that is killed in sacrifice. Even the Gods kill the weak.
 

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India is one. Believe me if as a Bengali I am called to quell some rebellion in W. Bengali , I will make sure we leave the British and Mongols behind in terms of brutality and swiftness.
Same sentiment should arise in all Nationalists. Most Nagas are becoming Christians and losing their Indic roots.
Drone bombing campaign should be done on pro insurgent villages and camps.
This will go a different narrative, however, am saying there are lot of frustration on the local people but that doesn't make them pro insurgency, people are always sandwiched between two sides one from government and one from militant. India is a diverse country and there will be bound to be different aspirations and desires so it is a bit complex I guess.
I already said about the drone action here, however, we all agree in a democratic country no one will bomb its own people.
 

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This will not go down well irrespective of what the government does.An average Naga still carries the resentment for the dark days of 50's and 60's.

Besides it has undone nearly 25 years of peaceful negotiations and will put the government in a very difficult position as far as Negotiations with the various Naga faction goes.
It can't be a catch 22 now, yes it is a very difficult place with complex tribals history, and desires, I sincerely hope not as a bandaid solutions something concrete comes out.
It is easy to win the war with the might of the nation but maintaining peace is a whole different story.
 

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This will go a different narrative, however, am saying there are lot of frustration on the local people but that doesn't make them pro insurgency, people are always sandwiched between two sides one from government and one from militant. India is a diverse country and there will be bound to be different aspirations and desires so it is a bit complex I guess.
I already said about the drone action here, however, we all agree in a democratic country no one will bomb its own people.
We did bombed the Mizos before. Nagas should know that nothing is above the Nation.

I had one guy talk about a West Bengal secession movement to Bangladesh to create Shonar Bangla. That guy still remembers my slap.
 

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We did bombed the Mizos before. Nagas should know that nothing is above the Nation.

I had one guy talk about a West Bengal secession movement to Bangladesh to create Shonar Bangla. That guy still remembers my slap.
Then why not bomb Kashmir, Naxal belt, or W. Bengal first more troops are lost there than in NE, Why only Naga, Shonar Bangla area should be bombed first seem like they have an independence agenda, nation first.
 

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India is one. Believe me if as a Bengali I am called to quell some rebellion in W. Bengali , I will make sure we leave the British and Mongols behind in terms of brutality and swiftness.

Same sentiment should arise in all Nationalists. Most Nagas are becoming Christians and losing their Indic roots.

Drone bombing campaign should be done on pro insurgent villages and camps.
Most of Nagaland was already Christian before India attained independence.

As i said any heavy handed approach like aerial attacks will push not just Nagaland but the entire North East towards a volcanic eruption which will force the Army to divert it's resources and manpower towards battling insurgencies rather than guarding borders with China or Pakistan.

There was a major air raid in Mizoram carried out by the Airforce in the early 60's and it proved counterproductive as it only bolstered the insurgency.

This insurgency was ended by Rajiv Gandhi through diplomatic negotiations and Mizoram has been quite peaceful since then
 

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Then why not bomb Kashmir, Naxal belt, or W. Bengal first more troops are lost there than in NE, Why only Naga, Shonar Bangla area should be bombed first seem like they have an independence agenda, nation first.
His statements are very juvenile.....Unlike many of us mainlanders who have lived in North East and understand the gravity of situation, There are many like him living in far off cities,many of whom will not be able to point out Nagaland in the Map of India yet will not shy away from giving an authoritative view on the issue.
 

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अश्वं नैव गजं नैव व्याघ्रं नैव च नैव च ।
अजापुत्रं बलिं दद्यात् देवो दुर्बल घातकः॥

Neither horse, nor elephant, nor the lion, it's only the meek goat that is killed in sacrifice. Even the Gods kill the weak.
Babu, idioms don't work in real life.They are only good for securing marks in literature exams

We are not fight a war to win,We are fighting to win over disgruntled people who have seen nothing but conflict and violence.
 

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Most of Nagaland was already Christian before India attained independence.

As i said any heavy handed approach like aerial attacks will push not just Nagaland but the entire North East towards a volcanic eruption which will force the Army to divert it's resources and manpower towards battling insurgencies rather than guarding borders with China or Pakistan.

There was a major air raid in Mizoram carried out by the Airforce in the early 60's and it proved counterproductive as it only bolstered the insurgency.

This insurgency was ended by Rajiv Gandhi through diplomatic negotiations and Mizoram has been quite peaceful since then
Unless you go and bomb the camps nothing matters.

Cross border surgical strikes, drone bombings, Xinjiang level surveillance is need to kill an insurgency so that the next generation will never know an insurgency happened in Nagaland.

Rajiv Gandhi was a bigger idiot. He wasted time and energy against LTTE and fostered Dravidian Nationalist bullshit.
 

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Then why not bomb Kashmir, Naxal belt, or W. Bengal first more troops are lost there than in NE, Why only Naga, Shonar Bangla area should be bombed first seem like they have an independence agenda, nation first.
I am all for bombing Naxals. J&K is near an international border so all aerial campaigns have to be very limited.

Sec 370 abrogation was the best thing to happen to J&K.
 

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Babu, idioms don't work in real life.They are only good for securing marks in literature exams

We are not fight a war to win,We are fighting to win over disgruntled people who have seen nothing but conflict and violence.
These disgruntled people are like Tikait Punjab farmers, more you appease, more they will escalate.

You need to work to wipe out any trace of this insurgency before the next generation open their eyes. With Chinese at the border, we don't have the luxury of time.
 

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Unless you go and bomb the camps nothing matters.

Cross border surgical strikes, drone bombings, Xinjiang level surveillance is need to kill an insurgency so that the next generation will never know an insurgency happened in Nagaland.
Insurgencies are like Hydra,you cut one,another one will grow in it's place.

The best way to end it is cut it's life line which is popular support by winning over the people. It was achieved in Punjab,Mizoram and to a large extent in Assam.

As i said heavy handed approach proves counterproductive.Neither the British military could quell the Irish troubles nor the US military could defeat the taliban insurgency.Both of them had to settle for negotiations.
 

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Quote: The police investigation had concluded that the three victims were ordinary labourers and had no links with militancy.

from the 1st article
You know what , even if they were ordinary people I have no sympathy for them. Kashmiris have become mere pests In the society. 99% of them support the insurgency and therefore deserve this. Who knows maybe these guy were pelting stones the other day on the army and CRPF.
 

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These disgruntled people are like Tikait Punjab farmers, more you appease, more they will escalate.

You need to work to wipe out any trace of this insurgency before the next generation open their eyes. With Chinese at the border, we don't have the luxury of time.
Rakesh Tikait is getting out of hand man. That guy needs to go. Yesterday he was asking for removal of farm laws, today he is agitating against Bank privatisation . Tomorrow who knows what he'll do.
 

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Insurgencies are like Hydra,you cut one,another one will grow in it's place.

The best way to end it is cut it's life line which is popular support by winning over the people. It was achieved in Punjab,Mizoram and to a large extent in Assam.

As i said heavy handed approach proves counterproductive.Neither the British military could quell the Irish troubles nor the US military could defeat the taliban insurgency.Both of them had to settle for negotiations.
We all know this incident will also die down soon. Issue is with the small portion who is giving unreliable HUMINT .

We need to go Xinjiang with a velvet glove. Once you turn someone's personal life upside down, everything falls in order.
 

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I am not sure if this is correct or not, because I did not find any other news commenting on this


BTW why did the mob attack Assam Rifles camp, if they didn't lay the ambush
is scroll.in a relaible source ? I seriously doubt it's credibility
it seems To be a bit left leaning
 

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