Non-Military implications of India-China Standoff 2020

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Ladakh standoff: India Inc steps up for India, industrialists rise to the occasion to move forward on path of self-reliance

Recently, in the backdrop of India-China face-off in Galwan Valley, the Indian government banned 59 Chinese apps, including TikTok, citing that these apps possess threats to national security.

After the unprovoked intrusion from the Chinese army at Ladakh border, there has been a great deal of anger in Indian citizens. While there have been call for boycott of Chinese products the Indian industrialists, too, have now stepped in to help us move forward on the path of self-reliance.

Parth Jindal, the managing director of JSW Cement, on Wednesday took to Twitter to slam China for its aggression against India along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) near Ladakh killing 20 Indian soldiers.

In a tweet, the Indian industrialist also said that the unprovoked attack by the Chinese on Indian soil on our soldiers was a huge wake-up call and a clarion call for action and pledged that JSW Group, which has net imports of $400 million from China, will bring it down to zero in next two years.

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Reportedly, the cement business of the JSW Group imports clinkers, the base rock of cement from China, which is then converted into usable cement by mixing fly ash supplied by JSW Steel to supply it to the domestic markets.

Anand Mahindra responds to Chinese aggression

Jindal’s tweet comes a day after businessman Anand Mahindra had also slammed Hu Xijin, the editor of English China daily Global Times, who had tried to mock India over the ban of 59 Chinese apps including TikTok.

Following the ban of Chinese apps, Hu Xijin had taken to Twitter to state that even if Chinese people wanted to boycott Indian products, they cannot do it as they do not find many Indian goods.

The tweet by Chinese media propagandist had angered Anand Mahindra, who responded to him by stating, “I suspect this comment might well be the most effective & motivating rallying cry that India Inc. has ever received. Thank you for the provocation. We will rise to the occasion…”

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India bans Chinese app, infrastructure contracts
Recently, in the backdrop of India-China face-off in Galwan Valley, the Indian government banned 59 Chinese apps, including TikTok, citing that these apps possess threats to national security.

Earlier, the Indian Railways had also terminated a contract worth Rs.471 crore with a Chinese company. A few days back, BSNL had announced that they will terminate the contract with a Chinese company to set up 4G services. The Department of Telecom has also decided not to let Huawei to take part in 5G spectrum testing.

Taking a cue, on Wednesday, Union Minister Nitin Gadkari also stated that the Indian government will not allow Chinese companies to participate in highway projects. He had added that the companies would not be able to participate in joint ventures as well.

 

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Tik tok is desperately trying to workout the problems and uplift the ban, even promised to open data center in India and said they would never share our data with the ccp (pinky promise) , however since India has cited national security issue , ban could stay for a while.

I hope for once our slow nature of bureaucracy be of benefit to us and keep this mujra app banned for atleast a couple of years.
 

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We used to buy from various parts (of the world) including China and import high-end bicycles. Now, we are designing them in our German R&D facility. We had a buying plan of Rs 900 crores which will be reduced in a phased manner: Hero Cycles MD Pankaj Munjal

 

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How Humiliation Drove Modern Chinese History
The British destruction of Beijing's Summer Palace in the 19th century encapsulates how the emotion played a major role in forming modern China.

June 1840, following the breakdown in negotiations with the Qing Dynasty over the trade of opium on Chinese territory, a large British military force captured the city of Canton (now Guangzhou) before marching up the coastline and entering central China at the Yangtze River delta. Within two years, Great Britain had routed China and, during the subsequent peace treaty, extracted significant concessions: control of Hong Kong (in perpetuity), the widening of trade in new ports, and extraterritoriality for British subjects in China—a privilege obtained by American and French governments soon afterwards.

These events comprised the First Opium War, a defeat which began a era known in China as the “century of humiliation.” And only when Chairman Mao Zedong stood atop Beijing's Gate of Heavenly Peace on October 1, 1949 and proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China did this “century”—which actually lasted 109 years—come to an end.

Since then, the “century of humiliation” has been a central part of the P.R.C.'s founding mythology, of which the short version is this: Long the world's pre-eminent civilization, China fell behind the superior technology of the West over the centuries, an imbalance that finally came to a head with the loss in the Opium Wars. This begun the most tumultuous century in the country's—or any country's—history, one that featured an incessant series of wars, occupations, and revolutions and one that did not end until the victory of the Communist Party in China's 1945-49 civil war.



Since history is written by its winners, China's “century of humiliation” is self-serving to the Chinese Communist Party, and the country's troubles did not end in 1949. But the narrative of “humiliation” is not entirely a Chinese creation. In fact, in an episode recounted by Orville Schell and John Delury in their wonderful book Wealth and Power, during the Second Opium War in 1860 the British army set out to humiliate the Chinese by attacking Beijing's Summer Palace. Located in a northwest corner of the capital, the Summer Palace (known as Yuanmingyuan in Chinese) was an exquisite array of buildings, lakes, and parks, and served as the primary residence of the imperial court. In the Opium War, it had no military significance. But following the Chinese murder of several dozen British and French troops in an ill-conceived hostage crisis, the British took revenge by targeting the Summer Palace. Schell and Delury write:

The destruction of Yuanmingyuan was to be a “solemn act of retribution,”said the British commander Lord Elgin, in which no blood would be spilled, but an emperor's “pride as well as his feelings,” would be crushed. Indeed, before the foreign expeditionary force arrived in Beijing, the young emperor Xianfeng had already fled along with his concubine (soon to be known as the Empress Dowager Cixi) to safe haven in Manchuria. With the Son of Heaven in hiding far to the north in his hunting lodge, British and French soldiers set about teaching the Qing [Dynasty] a lesson they would never forget: that the British crown would not tolerate having the rights of Englishmen violated, even in faraway china. “As a deliberate act of humiliation,” historian James Hevia explains, “it was an object lesson for others who might contemplate defying British power.”
The systematic plunder of the palaces, which contained an enormous amount of priceless artifacts, lasted well into 1860. When it was finished, the men immediately understood they had secured a psychological victory over the Chinese:

“The great vulnerable point in a Mandarin's character lies in his pride,” [Lieutenant Colonel G.J. Wolsely, part of the British expeditionary force] observed. “The destruction of the Yuanmingyuan was the most crushing of all blows which could be leveled at his Majesty's inflated notions of universal supremacy.” Reducing the gardens to ruins was “the strongest proof of our superior strength” and “served to undeceive all Chinamen in their absurd conviction of their monarch's universal sovereignty.”
Today, a century and a half later, the Communist Party continues to preserve the ruined state of the Summer Palace as a reminder of the British plunder.

The history of war is full of many examples of where one side attacked a strategically insignificant installation in order to score a psychological victory over an opponent. But Schell and Delury's account of the destruction of the Summer Palace encapsulates just how large a role humiliation played in the last two centuries of Chinese history, and how his role in ending this humiliation forever colored Chinese impressions of Mao Zedong.

( A different prospective. Chinese since the formation of CCP have used this anti colonialism card quite well to gain support in China and they showcased their will in first Korean war when they fought against west and be it in 1962 against india to portray themselves as bigger power in Asia. For Chinese communist empire most important thing is sovereignty and their position among civilian population.
CCP is again willing to protect it's sovereignty with India at cost of losing access to our market and losing ties with India.
Changing laws in HK to average Chinese will look like Chinese are standing against western aggression.
Claiming Japanese island will not be wrong for Chinese because of internal hate of Chinese towards Japanese.)
 

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How Humiliation Drove Modern Chinese History
The British destruction of Beijing's Summer Palace in the 19th century encapsulates how the emotion played a major role in forming modern China.

June 1840, following the breakdown in negotiations with the Qing Dynasty over the trade of opium on Chinese territory, a large British military force captured the city of Canton (now Guangzhou) before marching up the coastline and entering central China at the Yangtze River delta. Within two years, Great Britain had routed China and, during the subsequent peace treaty, extracted significant concessions: control of Hong Kong (in perpetuity), the widening of trade in new ports, and extraterritoriality for British subjects in China—a privilege obtained by American and French governments soon afterwards.

These events comprised the First Opium War, a defeat which began a era known in China as the “century of humiliation.” And only when Chairman Mao Zedong stood atop Beijing's Gate of Heavenly Peace on October 1, 1949 and proclaimed the founding of the People's Republic of China did this “century”—which actually lasted 109 years—come to an end.

Since then, the “century of humiliation” has been a central part of the P.R.C.'s founding mythology, of which the short version is this: Long the world's pre-eminent civilization, China fell behind the superior technology of the West over the centuries, an imbalance that finally came to a head with the loss in the Opium Wars. This begun the most tumultuous century in the country's—or any country's—history, one that featured an incessant series of wars, occupations, and revolutions and one that did not end until the victory of the Communist Party in China's 1945-49 civil war.



Since history is written by its winners, China's “century of humiliation” is self-serving to the Chinese Communist Party, and the country's troubles did not end in 1949. But the narrative of “humiliation” is not entirely a Chinese creation. In fact, in an episode recounted by Orville Schell and John Delury in their wonderful book Wealth and Power, during the Second Opium War in 1860 the British army set out to humiliate the Chinese by attacking Beijing's Summer Palace. Located in a northwest corner of the capital, the Summer Palace (known as Yuanmingyuan in Chinese) was an exquisite array of buildings, lakes, and parks, and served as the primary residence of the imperial court. In the Opium War, it had no military significance. But following the Chinese murder of several dozen British and French troops in an ill-conceived hostage crisis, the British took revenge by targeting the Summer Palace. Schell and Delury write:


The systematic plunder of the palaces, which contained an enormous amount of priceless artifacts, lasted well into 1860. When it was finished, the men immediately understood they had secured a psychological victory over the Chinese:


Today, a century and a half later, the Communist Party continues to preserve the ruined state of the Summer Palace as a reminder of the British plunder.

The history of war is full of many examples of where one side attacked a strategically insignificant installation in order to score a psychological victory over an opponent. But Schell and Delury's account of the destruction of the Summer Palace encapsulates just how large a role humiliation played in the last two centuries of Chinese history, and how his role in ending this humiliation forever colored Chinese impressions of Mao Zedong.

( A different prospective. Chinese since the formation of CCP have used this anti colonialism card quite well to gain support in China and they showcased their will in first Korean war when they fought against west and be it in 1962 against india to portray themselves as bigger power in Asia. For Chinese communist empire most important thing is sovereignty and their position among civilian population.
CCP is again willing to protect it's sovereignty with India at cost of losing access to our market and losing ties with India.
Changing laws in HK to average Chinese will look like Chinese are standing against western aggression.
Claiming Japanese island will not be wrong for Chinese because of internal hate of Chinese towards Japanese.)
All of this in minds of CCP is required to stabilize China even if in post covid - 19 world were China faces some loss in economic sector CCP can show it's will and hard stand against enemies to gain support in the mainland. Their removal HK law in China will be viewed how modi removed article 370a aka getting huge support from local public.

If india want to come out of the clutches of Chinese aggression and their desire to overcome their anxiety of humiliation then it cannot happen only from talks were China have upper hand ( because they are holding our land askai hind). China will come again and again thinking that leadership in india is weak too afraid to take bold step undermining our reaction.
India should completely showcase China that we aren't a thing to be played with.
If it requires india should give another jolt of humiliation to China on LAC.
 
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Trade Deficit with China is reducing at a decent pace.
FY 18 $ 63 billion
FY 19 $ 54 billion
FY 20 $ 49 billion.
In FY 21 we should aim to reduce it by more than the reduction of last three years.

No problem, when i was a member in old IDF, the FY2004 was India gained 1 billion USD surplus than China.
But even at 2004 Chinese inudustry capacities is still strong than India. High deficit for India now means India needs more industrial products for your economic take off.


Deficit or Surplus doesn't mean too much about real picture. China mainland gvies 50 billion/yr deficit to Taiwan for 20 yrs, but still the GDP ratio is from 4:1 become 22:1 now.
 

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We used to buy from various parts (of the world) including China and import high-end bicycles. Now, we are designing them in our German R&D facility. We had a buying plan of Rs 900 crores which will be reduced in a phased manner: Hero Cycles MD Pankaj Munjal

Sorry, EU people after pandemic are buying Chinese bicycles made Chinese local market out of stock.

The craze has led to shortages that will take some weeks, maybe months, to resolve, particularly in the U.S., which relies on China for about 90% of its bicycles

Pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, and shortage, around world



‘They’re buying bikes like toilet paper’ — pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, shortage

Pandemic Leads To Bicycle Shortage Around The World
 

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Sorry, EU people after pandemic are buying Chinese bicycles made Chinese local market out of stock.

The craze has led to shortages that will take some weeks, maybe months, to resolve, particularly in the U.S., which relies on China for about 90% of its bicycles

Pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, and shortage, around world



‘They’re buying bikes like toilet paper’ — pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, shortage

Pandemic Leads To Bicycle Shortage Around The World
First acknowledge your dead soldiers.
 

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You are missing the point, India is not competing with China.

No problem, when i was a member in old IDF, the FY2004 was India gained 1 billion USD surplus than China.
But even at 2004 Chinese inudustry capacities is still strong than India. High deficit for India now means India needs more industrial products for your economic take off.


Deficit or Surplus doesn't mean too much about real picture. China mainland gvies 50 billion/yr deficit to Taiwan for 20 yrs, but still the GDP ratio is from 4:1 become 22:1 now.
Sorry, EU people after pandemic are buying Chinese bicycles made Chinese local market out of stock.

The craze has led to shortages that will take some weeks, maybe months, to resolve, particularly in the U.S., which relies on China for about 90% of its bicycles

Pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, and shortage, around world



‘They’re buying bikes like toilet paper’ — pandemic leads to a bicycle boom, shortage

Pandemic Leads To Bicycle Shortage Around The World
 

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THE MYTH OF CHINESE STRATEGIC GENIUS

Or: The artlessness of war.

 

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FAKE gold reserve and its economic ripples through multi-faceted fraud in China


1. The companies who bought gold bonds now will barge in for there money.
2. Kingold doesn't have money to give, so Lehman brother style filing of insolvency is imminent.
3. The companies with gold bonds are also infra companies, who created whole ghost cities.
4. This is just not kingold but many jewelry multi-billion dollars corporations too.

This ripple will create more gold scarcity thus increasing its cost many fold. My prediction, gold going to shoot the 65K INR mark in the upcoming months. By September end.
 

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