No Indian business visas for Chinese: Chidambaram

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CHinese workers quality of work ? Quality ? CHimney !

i mean you indian works with low efficiency,its not a big deal ,everyone knows indian race,so chinese woks here and make money,may kind of hurting ,but its the truth
we have a well-known example of such quality in the recent chimney collapse so CHidambaram is quite right to take corrective action. Thanks Minister, your action is in good time.
 

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I commited a great mistake by purchasing a Mobile Phone manufactured by a Chinese company, result was as expected, it din't complete it's trimester. Chinese manufacturing at it's glorious best.
 

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[mod] Two people have been banned for derailing this thread. Anymore who want to go can go ahead and post your last post on this forum [/mod]
 
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we have a well-known example of such quality in the recent chimney collapse so CHidambaram is quite right to take corrective action. Thanks Minister, your action is in good time.
and the chimney was built by indian ?bcause this time the chimney was built by indian.
 

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and the chimney was built by indian ?bcause this time the chimney was built by indian.
according to the recent report, the design& construction of chimney was subletted to one indian company.
 

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and what lala land are you living in?

do you know which are few of the finest private set up organisations in the world?
do you know from which country year after year newer companies, with newer ideas, with potential to reach the tops happen to be, which keep getting good rankings from reputed mags like forbes, fortune, etc?
do you know why a non indian generally does not lead a MNC's subsidiaries in india and why they lead their subsidiaries in the prc, talking about management skills, huh!
do you know what are growth rate figures of leading companies in all the sectors in india?
do you know its the indian MNCs (indian owned) which have few of the finest employee friendly schemes and also few of the toughest QSRs to meet?
do you know how many engineers pass out each year in india?
do you know how many semi skilled chaps get churned out each year in india?
do you know in the recent top 50 companies by market cap ranking by forbes for asia/australia there were 13 companies which made the cut from india mostly all private in nature and there were 16 from the "mighty" prc and those 16 were state owned which have few of the worst performing NPAs, and why is that?

get over it, speak when you know things, not when you dont. for starters start finding answers to the above, then continue the discussion, and you are trying to tell me we are not hard working and dont have the skills. bud indians have a reputation like none other when it comes to hard work overseas and in indian private sector, it will be good if you start reading a little more about the work culture in the indian private sector.

the only reason the prc is attempting this is because they have a freakish thinking of controlling every thing, in simple words they are control freaks, and they dont trust anyone else, and how can they, when they dont trust you all who are the inhabitants of that country. the best known MNCs work in india and they feel proud that an indian heads their business in india whose job profile generally also includes the surrounding south asia countries including pakistan and all the staff members from top to bottom are indians and the targets are more or less achieved. a lot of indians have been promoted from india to a lot of senior global positions to the extent few of them end up even heading such organisations, and well all these achievements must be because we lack skills, dont have knowledge base and dont work hard, some delusion!

as for your racist remark, you are given a warning to not attempt that again!
The problem may be that experienced Indian workers are not readily availaible to chinese companies to execute work like building pipelines or power plants like Software engineers for IT companies.

Infrastructure sector suddenly rose into the prominence and its not a surprising thing to have shortage of skilled workers. Education & Training Institutions cannot simply churn out thousands workers overnight.

Experienced ppl would already working for govt or private sector earning good amounts. Probably chinese are accepted lower salaries for same work because back home they would lot of competition and may not even get same pay package.

Specifically speaking about Power sector, its known we have shortage both in capacity of power equipment and EPC contractors. And may be the reason Govt is insisting not to import power equipment is to encourage new private companies entering power equipment sector.
 

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Balco probe: 'Stay' order for 89 Chinese
Balco probe: 'Stay' order for 89 Chinese - India - NEWS - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The Centre has decided to restrain 89 Chinese nationals from leaving the country after the Balco incident, which left 41 workers
dead.

The Chinese workers, who have been restrained from leaving India, are employed at the Bharat Aluminium Company Limited (Balco) thermal power plant at Korba in Chhattisgarh where an under-construction chimney collapsed, leading to these casualties on Wednesday. The death toll may rise further as the debris at the site is yet to be fully cleared.

Immigration authorities across the countries were alerted on Thursday as a number of Chinese employees had fled Korba fearing the ire of the locals in the wake of the rising toll. Officials at airports were asked not to allow these 89 Chinese engineers/workers to leave the country as their presence was needed during the probe into the incident.

Chhattisgarh police chief Vishwa Ranjan told TOI from Raipur that the immigration authorities were only asked to stop these Chinese engineers/workers from leaving India as they may be needed during the "technical inquiry" into the incident.

He said: "Preliminary inquiry doesn't point fingers at them (Chinese engineers/workers). They may assist the officials during the technical inquiry and therefore they have been asked to remain in India."

In the wake of the alert, four Chinese engineers -- on the basis of their passport details -- were stopped at IGIA airport here on Friday night and asked to report to the state police in Chhattisgarh. Eight other Chinese workers, including three women, were also stopped at Raipur and asked to give their statement to the Korba police about the incident.

These Chinese were reportedly employed by Shandong Electric Power Construction Corporation (SEPCO), China. The company was awarded the engineering procurement and construction contract for the 1,200 MW project. It had, in turn, outsourced the chimney construction work to Delhi-based Gannon Dunkerley Company Limited (GDCL).

The police have, meanwhile, registered a case against Balco, SEPCO and GDCL. It is learnt that GDCL staff, too, fled Korba, fearing a backlash.

According to news agency reports from Raipur, 40 of the 41 bodies of the labourers have so far been identified. One of the victims belonged to Chhattisgarh while a majority of them were from neighbouring Bihar, Jharkhand and Madhya Pradesh.
why are chinese running away if they were not directly responsible.

and its foolish to simply blame chinese company or Indian company or Indian/chinese workers. It may have been negligence of one worker or many or management of any company. cannot say anything untill report on probe comes out.
 

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Chinese workers tend to have a reputation of spying(industrial and economic espoinage) throughout the world. Catching such spies is a big activity for US Fedral agencies. Lets hope GOI is carefull with them.
 
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thank to the free indian press ,give the wrong message to the whole indians,and made you guyz hate chinese ,and you guyz really dont know what badguy just said ,the design& construction of chimney was subletted to one indian company. and to ajay,chinese works with more discipline,and the average salaries are much more than indian workers,we care about the work ,definitly not the cost
 

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so, Russian shipbuilding must be more efficient and competitive than CHinese's,isn't it?

pls tell me the rank of Russian shipbuilding !
Please tell me how many Russian ships are in PLAN, then tell me how many Chinese ships are in the RN. :bye:
 
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4,and are all cccp tech ,after 1991,russia was getting worse,and except some age military industry ,you guys seem to have nothing ,unless you talk about you hv gas and oil industry
 

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and except some age military industry ,you guys seem to have nothing ,unless you talk about you hv gas and oil industry
why do you guyz make such statements? potentially incite never ending flame wars where there can be no meaningful conclusion. can't you write more detailed statements about strengths and weakness of Russian industry and technology without insulting or demeaning or writing one-line statements about a country? your talking about a country on a whole in here? please do remember about that.

and definitely your no strategic expert on economy and industry of russia who has done enough research to speak like that.

why generalize sterotypically about an entire nation as if your some political leader or think thank expert?

India is that, China is this, Russia is that. all meaningless and baseless one-line sterotypes about a country. They do nothing good to discussion but turn it into a ugly battleground for trolls and flame wars.

if russia has nothing but age old defence industry then china has nothing but cheap labour and polluting sweat shops. But this is not the way to go for mature discussion in defence forum.
 

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Balco probe: 'Stay' order for 89 Chinese - India - NEWS - The Times of India
These Chinese were reportedly employed by Shandong Electric Power Construction Corporation (SEPCO), China. The company was awarded the engineering procurement and construction contract for the 1,200 MW project. It had, in turn, outsourced the chimney construction work to Delhi-based Gannon Dunkerley Company Limited (GDCL).

So why'd all "89" of them flee?


The article also states:

"The Chinese workers, who have been restrained from leaving India, are employed at the Bharat Aluminium Company Limited (Balco) thermal power plant at Korba"


And apparently, they fled "fearing the ire of the locals", LMAO.

Did some cursory research on the 'Gannon Dunkerley Company Limited' and:


"Gannon Dunkerley & Co Ltd (Gannon Dunkerley) was incorporated in the year 1924 as private limited company by Henry Gannon and J.H.Dunkerley; subsequently it was converted into a public limited company in the year 1948. Initially, the company started its business mainly in trading, but in early thirties it diversified into civil engineering too. The company was one of the earliest to implement pre-stressed RCC construction in the early fifties."

http://info.shine.com/company/Gannon-Dunkerley-Company-Limited/861.aspx


If the 'technical inquiry' into the nature of the fault attributes the blame entirely to the 'GDCL', then it is an utter shame. Shame moreover for this is a company that the British used to build several airfields during WWII and is one of the pioneers of "pre-stressed RCC construction in the early fifties".
 

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So why'd all "89" of them flee?


The article also states:

"The Chinese workers, who have been restrained from leaving India, are employed at the Bharat Aluminium Company Limited (Balco) thermal power plant at Korba"


And apparently, they fled "fearing the ire of the locals", LMAO.

Did some cursory research on the 'Gannon Dunkerley Company Limited' and:


"Gannon Dunkerley & Co Ltd (Gannon Dunkerley) was incorporated in the year 1924 as private limited company by Henry Gannon and J.H.Dunkerley; subsequently it was converted into a public limited company in the year 1948. Initially, the company started its business mainly in trading, but in early thirties it diversified into civil engineering too. The company was one of the earliest to implement pre-stressed RCC construction in the early fifties."

Gannon Dunkerley & Company Limited Detailed Company Profile, Company Overview -Shine.com


If the 'technical inquiry' into the nature of the fault attributes the blame entirely to the 'GDCL', then it is an utter shame. Shame moreover for this is a company that the British used to build several airfields during WWII and is one of the pioneers of "pre-stressed RCC construction in the early fifties".
It is likely that with so much coverage of border tensions between India and China, by our news channels, each one of those 89 feared for their lives. That fear doesn't need guilt to drive it.
 

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It is likely that with so much coverage of border tensions between India and China, by our news channels, each one of those 89 feared for their lives. That fear doesn't need guilt to drive it.

Somehow, I'm inclined to agree.
 

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thank to the free indian press ,give the wrong message to the whole indians,and made you guyz hate chinese ,and you guyz really dont know what badguy just said ,the design& construction of chimney was subletted to one indian company. and to ajay,chinese works with more discipline,and the average salaries are much more than indian workers,we care about the work ,definitly not the cost
Using general statements like "Chinese work harder & care more" is just plain stupid. There are many places in the world where Chinese and Indians compete head-to-head, probably the most prominent being Silicon Valley, US.

Talk to your Chinese friends in the USA and you'll find out that Indians are just as competitive as anyone else. There are more Indian startups, than Chinese startups here.

But in general if you are comparing worker efficiency in India - there is a huge difference between private enterprise and government enterprises and the culture is very different in private industry. Indian private industry is becoming very competitive.

As for your comment about "Chinese care about work" - Every 1 or 2 months there is an explosion in a coal-mine in China resulting in dozen coal-miners ending up dead. this has been going on for the last 20 -30 years. Its so common now that the Press does not even bother reporting it.

If China is so efficient why cant you come up with better standards and quality control for coal-mining. You have the worst worker safety record in the world....even worse than some african countries. Whole villages in China are dying from cancer because of water pollution from industry. In India they would have been shut down by protests.....In China you just pay off the local officials and continue with business as usual.

Chinese mostly care about only one thing - money !!. You have very little moral or ethical. values. Chinese couldnt care less about their workers as long as they make their profits.
 

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No Indian business visas for Chinese: Chidambaram


No Indian business visas for Chinese: Chidambaram

Press Trust of India, Wednesday October 14, 2009, Srinagar


India has made it clear to China it will only issue employment visas to its highly skilled workers and that it has decided against giving business visas, Home Minister P Chidambaram said on Wednesday.

"Chinese workers can come to India only on employment visa, no more on business visas," he told a press conference here.

"We are going to issue employment visas only to highly skilled workers and it do not apply only to Chinese workers but to other countries as well. We are not going to issue any visas to unskilled and semi-skilled workers as we have plenty of them in India," the Home Minister said.

Chidambaram was replying a question on the controversy after Beijing issued visas on loose sheets rather than stamping the passports of people from Jammu and Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh.

The government has already directed 20,000 Chinese nationals working in different projects across India to convert their visas from business to employment.

"We have given them time till October 31 to change their visas from business to employment. Even after that time if any Chinese national fails to change his or her visa status, the person will have to leave India," a Home Ministry official had said recently.

The decision came after China's Ambassador to India Zhang Yan met Home Secretary G K Pillai requesting him to extend the September 30 deadline given to the Chinese citizens to change their visa status.

Around 25,000 Chinese are working in various power, communication and petroleum sector projects across the country. The Indian missions in China have issued 1, 60,190 business visas from 2007 to June 30, 2009.
 

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