Nirbhay Cruise Missile Development

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This is what you said.

Against what you said.


So again less effective in comparison to what? Deserts, plains, marshes, beaches?

Comparing to the history from which you get your conclusion that forest can cover your brahmos launcher fleet.



Wow, how old are you, grandpa? Why don’t you ask what is UAV?



Haha, that is what armed forces do during peacetime: watching what your neighbor is doing on the other side of the border, fanboy!


Read again genius. China is in the same boat. Unless there is a fleet of Chinese strategic bombers flying around. Difference is that IAF will strike, how it wants, when it wants, using a huge supersonic missile on a highly capable platform using standoff distances. PLAAF will have to use subsonic missiles from its bomber which was designed in 1950s in Russia.

Do you have understanding problem? Again, IAF doesn't have the luxury to put her Su-30 MKI into land strike mission until she dominates the sky. At the beginning, she need to put every of her fighter jets into the battle against Chinese fighter jets.


You are not particluarly bright are you? Su-30MKI are a multirole fighters. Now google what multirole means. Jaguars and Mig-21s are the only single role platform left in IAF.

Unlike PLAAF which is heavily dependent on the single role platforms, some of which are clearly outdated, IAF has moved on.

MKI are the mainstay of IAF and can fulfill most of the roles demanded by IAF. This includes, carrying a Brahmos along with R-77s.


I love how you are grasping at straws. First you said, MKIs flying with Brahmos will be "easy target" for PLAAF. I provided a rebuttal. Then, you pulled another thing out of your rear and claimed that escorts doesn't "guarantee" safety without explaining the "guarantee" and "safety" factors which exists in your imagination. Now you are bitching and moaning about numbers and I can still mop the floor with you.

Yeah, only the fanboy like you believing that a Su-30MKI carrying a 2.5 ton cruise missile can still perform extre-maneuvering to avoid incoming air-air missile.



So make up your damn mind. Is it;


1) Easy target for PLAAF?

2) Escorts are not a guarantee?

3) Numbers are not enough?


And do these factors unilaterally affect India but not China. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Well, these factor doesn't affect China because PLAF doesn't need her fighter jet to carry a 2.5 ton missile to attack land target. Their birds get only one job: to kill IAF birds.



1) Soviets did not field a land based cruise missile of similar range as Brahmos.

The problem is not whether or not the cruise missile is land based, but they didn't plan to use supersonic cruise missile attacking LAND BASE TARGET! Obviously, they don't think supersonic cruise missile is a good option in the land war.



2) India too has deployed theater ballistic missiles like Prithvi.


Now argue on these two points. Try again.

Oh great, Prithvi? Are you kidding me? Since when Prithvi becomes a battle class weapon? Do you just think any short range missile is theatre ballistic missile at any time? No, my friend, the mobility, accuracy and reaction-time make Prithvi unsuitable for a battle. That is why Indian generals suddenly ask for new missile against those land based targets within Tibet. Besides, Prithvi has never trained for that kind of role so far.


That you are clueless as fuck.

You sound like a 15 year old boy.


Survivability of Brahmos depends on its speed, low level flying and can do near vertical dives same as every other subsonic missile.

2.8 Mach is not kind of high speed that today's air-defense system can’t handle.

Low level flying? Well, not low enough in the land.


Valley hugging in the Himalayas. Do the mighty Chinese have that techonology? Would you like to share an example?

Well, China is not the one to use supersonic missile in the land war. So, just tell me does brahmos have valley hugging capability or not!



Trouble reading? I gave you two examples of US & Russia coming up with two very distinct philosophy of Anti ship missiles, you again bullshited your way through by muddying the waters.


Is Kh101 an AshM?


This is what you wrote;



Where are the examples for the question I asked? Where is the American hypersonic AshM? Where is the Russian stealth AshM?


Either provide the source or shut the fuck up.


Is this an AshM? I specifically asked for AshM.
Wow, do you have memory problem? We are talking about land war on Sino-India border, who is discussing anti-ship warefare?


Here is your first words:


Russia is putting faith in a hypersonic missile like Zircon, US on the other hand went with a stealthy subsonic alternative.

Here is your second response:


Sure, would you like to provide sources for each of these claims?

Because last I checked Putin came up with a nuclear powered cruise missile of unknown speed and there is not a single program in the US that is yet to reach even pre-production levels.

On the other hand both hypersonic Zircon and subsonic AGM-158C are about to enter production in Russia and US respectively.

Tell me in which part you specifically asking for AshM? We have been talking about land war, why on earth you suddenly turn to anti-ship missile. I have never argue about anti-ship missile.



https://www.defensenews.com/pentago...-prepares-its-own-arsenal-will-it-be-in-time/


https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2018/...apons-a-few-years-after-russia-and-china.html


It shows the priorities different militaries put on very different weapon systems. Something that clearly escapes you.

Yes, different priorities. But doesn’t mean they don’t need. This priority is decided by their technological capability and resources allocation. Obviously, Russia also requires stealth cruise missile while US is also working on hypersonic weapon.



Where is the source genius? Your hit and run tactics won't work on me.


Either provide the source or shut the fuck up.
Ok, here it is:

http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...ping-new-scramjet-powered-hypersonic-missile/

This is not the first time you tried to pull the wool in front of the reader's eyes. This is also not the first time, you made an asinine claim without providing sources.


You can muddy the waters all you want, I'll keep calling you on your bullshit.

Well, it is your right call other people’s opinions bullshit. After all, fools always call others bull shit.

And until today, I haven’t seen any Indian member here giving another explanation why Russia and US don’t use supersonic CM in a land war.
 

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Jeejus!!!! Its like talking to a toddler suffering from Down syndrome with Chinese characterstics.

Since you can't comprehend simple English words, let me help you.

Comparing to the history from which you get your conclusion that forest can cover your brahmos launcher fleet.
PS: The densest forest and uneven terrain won’t provide much protection as they used to be under today’s surveillance technology:
This is the original quote.

Mobile TELs 300 km inside the well defended area with one of the densest forest cover on the planet coupled with very uneven terrain are safe enough. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Did you disprove it? All I read was Muh technology. What technology? Specify each "technology" that China has with source.

SOURCE?

This is the kind of terrain that in India's North East, places which border Tibet. It is not exactly rocket science that India will use this terrain to conceal its mobilization from China and vice versa.



Now, add a layer of dense vegetation to the equation. Conventional radar and EO systems do not work as desired in mountainous and wooded terrain. You need different kind of tech to do that. If China has that tech, go ahead and specify with SOURCE.

Wow, how old are you, grandpa? Why don’t you ask what is UAV?
SOURCE? Where is the source?

Haha, that is what armed forces do during peacetime: watching what your neighbor is doing on the other side of the border, fanboy!

SOURCE? Where is the source?

Do you have understanding problem? Again, IAF doesn't have the luxury to put her Su-30 MKI into land strike mission until she dominates the sky. At the beginning, she need to put every of her fighter jets into the battle against Chinese fighter jets.

SOURCE? Where is the source?

After changing goal posts, you came up the bullshit, "but but India doesn't have enough numbers". Says who? Not interested in your bloody opinions.

Specify the source which says that IAF doesn't have enough numbers to provide escort duties. MKIs are not the only multirole platforms in IAF. Not that difficult to understand.

2.8 Mach is not kind of high speed that today's air-defense system can’t handle.

Low level flying? Well, not low enough in the land.
Not this shit again. Brahmos can do every single thing a subsonic missile does just better.

This is a video of F-18 chasing Tomahawk.


This is a video of elderly Jaguar comfortably chasing Nirbhay.


No such video of Brahmos exists as far as I know. Do I still need to spell out the survivability factor to you? Are you really this stupid or pretending to be? It is easier for India to shoot down China's subsonic cruise missiles than vice versa.

The advantage clearly lies with India.

Here is your first words:
No these are my first words. Have the dignity to put up complete quote.

US, Russia and China also use intermediate cartridges for their respective infantry units, something that didn't work out well for India so it intends to move away from that and go back to full power rounds.

Russia is putting faith in a hypersonic missile like Zircon, US on the other hand went with a stealthy subsonic alternative.
China is neither here nor there.

I don't see the point of this comparison.

Lumping together three very different militaries with very different doctrines and capabilities is plain stupid.
I gave you two distinct examples of how different militaries behave in different ways but alas you are way too stupid to comprehend this simple fact. So let me spoon feed to you like a mentally ill toddler you are.

Example 1 - US, Russia and China are using intermediary rounds. Pakistan never switched to intermediary and India is reverting back to full power rounds.

Lessons were learnt and a course correction is in process.

Example 2 - Russia is planning to use hypersonic Zircon in future, on the other hand US is planning to AGM-158C for the very same role.

Let me in on you a secret, Zircon and AGM-158C are ANTI SHIP CRUISE MISSILES.

Since you lack the mental faculties, allow me help you.

Different militaries use different systems to achieve the same goal just like US & Russia. Just like India uses Brahmos in addition to Nirbhay unlike what you moronically concluded.

If you still find it difficult to comprehend, this should help.




No, we are talking about CM attacking land targets not ground launched CM. Russians had these supersonic CM since last 70s, they had enough sea and air platform to launch these supersonic CM from day one, but they never planned to use them on land target in their war
The problem is not whether or not the cruise missile is land based, but they didn't plan to use supersonic cruise missile attacking LAND BASE TARGET! Obviously, they don't think supersonic cruise missile is a good option in the land war.
For once in your life stop making a fool of yourself.

Submarine lauched.

http://navyrecognition.com/index.ph...es-cruise-missile-against-coastal-target.html

Air launched

http://www.deagel.com/Offensive-Weapons/KSR-5_a000812001.aspx

This is in addition to the Perseus missile system being developed by MBDA with land attack as one of it's uses.

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Do you still want to muddy the waters?

Fact of the matter is that India intends to use both Brahmos and Nirbhay in land attack roles where former provides a significant advantage to India but since China doesn't have an equivalent system you bitch and moan and shit all over the thread. Then you get caught with your pants down and bitch some more.

Grow up.
 
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Do you have understanding problem? Again, IAF doesn't have the luxury to put her Su-30 MKI into land strike mission until she dominates the sky. At the beginning, she need to put every of her fighter jets into the battle against Chinese fighter jets.
SEAD is as important as air superiority. SAMS are very deadly and need to be taken outfirst. Brahmos has 400km range and can take out enemy radars and SAMs even before the plane needs to come in range of the SAM or any protecting aircrafts. Also, understand that no one can maintain aircover completely. So, even with Chinese aircrafts airborne, Su30 can slip inside at the opportune moment and launch brahmos

Yeah, only the fanboy like you believing that a Su-30MKI carrying a 2.5 ton cruise missile can still perform extre-maneuvering to avoid incoming air-air missile.
AAM has range limitation of 100km or so. The use of Brahmos is mainly to take down the SAM and radar near the border and that can eb done by a distance of 400km
Oh great, Prithvi? Are you kidding me? Since when Prithvi becomes a battle class weapon? Do you just think any short range missile is theatre ballistic missile at any time? No, my friend, the mobility, accuracy and reaction-time make Prithvi unsuitable for a battle. That is why Indian generals suddenly ask for new missile against those land based targets within Tibet. Besides, Prithvi has never trained for that kind of role so far.
India has replace Prithvi with Prahaar missiles and Pralay missiles. Prithvi is a liquid fuel missile and its time is over. India now uses the prithvi missiles for test of BMD systems
 

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Aero India 2019: India’s Nirbhay cruise missile to make final developmental flight in April
Rahul Udoshi, Bangalore - Jane's Defence Weekly
21 February 2019
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Scale model of the ground-launched Nirbhay cruise missile as displayed at Aero India 2019. Source: IHS Markit/Rahul Udoshi


The Nirbhay cruise missile developed by India’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) is set to make its final developmental trial in April, more than a year after the weapon successfully completed its previous flight test, an ADE official told Jane’s during the 20–24 February Aero India 2019 exhibition in Bangalore.

The official said that all issues related to the missile’s control hardware and software have been resolved, and that preparations are under way for a low-altitude flight test, which is expected to be its final developmental trial. The official declined to provide specific details on the rectified issues.

The 6 m-long, nuclear-capable, land-attack Nirbhay has a diameter of 0.52 m and is fitted with two tapering-chord fold-out (backwards) wings with a span of 2.7 m. The one-tonne missile is brought up to the takeover speed of its turbofan engine by a jettisonable solid propellant booster. The missile cruises at a speed of 270–305 m/s, and its maximum strike range is claimed to be 1,000 km.

The ADE official said that the missile programme is on track and expressed optimism that the weapon will soon be moving into the production-standard configuration, followed by the operational testing phase. He added that once the technology behind the missile is certified, there is a proposal to develop an air-launched variant of the Nirbhay within two to three years.

The intended air-launched variant would be developed to be fired from Su-30MKI multirole fighter aircraft, each of which would carry a maximum of two missiles.

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Aero India 2019: India’s Nirbhay cruise missile to make final developmental flight in April
Rahul Udoshi, Bangalore - Jane's Defence Weekly
21 February 2019
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Scale model of the ground-launched Nirbhay cruise missile as displayed at Aero India 2019. Source: IHS Markit/Rahul Udoshi


The Nirbhay cruise missile developed by India’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) is set to make its final developmental trial in April, more than a year after the weapon successfully completed its previous flight test, an ADE official told Jane’s during the 20–24 February Aero India 2019 exhibition in Bangalore.

The official said that all issues related to the missile’s control hardware and software have been resolved, and that preparations are under way for a low-altitude flight test, which is expected to be its final developmental trial. The official declined to provide specific details on the rectified issues.

The 6 m-long, nuclear-capable, land-attack Nirbhay has a diameter of 0.52 m and is fitted with two tapering-chord fold-out (backwards) wings with a span of 2.7 m. The one-tonne missile is brought up to the takeover speed of its turbofan engine by a jettisonable solid propellant booster. The missile cruises at a speed of 270–305 m/s, and its maximum strike range is claimed to be 1,000 km.

The ADE official said that the missile programme is on track and expressed optimism that the weapon will soon be moving into the production-standard configuration, followed by the operational testing phase. He added that once the technology behind the missile is certified, there is a proposal to develop an air-launched variant of the Nirbhay within two to three years.

The intended air-launched variant would be developed to be fired from Su-30MKI multirole fighter aircraft, each of which would carry a maximum of two missiles.

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Guys it seems we hv some trials....which we don't know ...........and those were successfull.....so they are heading towards final one
 

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Guys it seems we hv some trials....which we don't know ...........and those were successfull.....so they are heading towards final one
I had earlier alluded to secret over ground tests of Nirbhay in the NOTAM thread, either way, we'll know eventually how many tests Nirbhay has had completed.
 

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Aero India 2019: India’s Nirbhay cruise missile to make final developmental flight in April
Rahul Udoshi, Bangalore - Jane's Defence Weekly
21 February 2019
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Scale model of the ground-launched Nirbhay cruise missile as displayed at Aero India 2019. Source: IHS Markit/Rahul Udoshi


The Nirbhay cruise missile developed by India’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) is set to make its final developmental trial in April, more than a year after the weapon successfully completed its previous flight test, an ADE official told Jane’s during the 20–24 February Aero India 2019 exhibition in Bangalore.

The official said that all issues related to the missile’s control hardware and software have been resolved, and that preparations are under way for a low-altitude flight test, which is expected to be its final developmental trial. The official declined to provide specific details on the rectified issues.

The 6 m-long, nuclear-capable, land-attack Nirbhay has a diameter of 0.52 m and is fitted with two tapering-chord fold-out (backwards) wings with a span of 2.7 m. The one-tonne missile is brought up to the takeover speed of its turbofan engine by a jettisonable solid propellant booster. The missile cruises at a speed of 270–305 m/s, and its maximum strike range is claimed to be 1,000 km.

The ADE official said that the missile programme is on track and expressed optimism that the weapon will soon be moving into the production-standard configuration, followed by the operational testing phase. He added that once the technology behind the missile is certified, there is a proposal to develop an air-launched variant of the Nirbhay within two to three years.

The intended air-launched variant would be developed to be fired from Su-30MKI multirole fighter aircraft, each of which would carry a maximum of two missiles.

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it as a classical warhead? a nuclear one? twice ?
 

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Aero India 2019: India’s Nirbhay cruise missile to make final developmental flight in April
Rahul Udoshi, Bangalore - Jane's Defence Weekly
21 February 2019
View attachment 32375
Scale model of the ground-launched Nirbhay cruise missile as displayed at Aero India 2019. Source: IHS Markit/Rahul Udoshi


The Nirbhay cruise missile developed by India’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) is set to make its final developmental trial in April, more than a year after the weapon successfully completed its previous flight test, an ADE official told Jane’s during the 20–24 February Aero India 2019 exhibition in Bangalore.

The official said that all issues related to the missile’s control hardware and software have been resolved, and that preparations are under way for a low-altitude flight test, which is expected to be its final developmental trial. The official declined to provide specific details on the rectified issues.

The 6 m-long, nuclear-capable, land-attack Nirbhay has a diameter of 0.52 m and is fitted with two tapering-chord fold-out (backwards) wings with a span of 2.7 m. The one-tonne missile is brought up to the takeover speed of its turbofan engine by a jettisonable solid propellant booster. The missile cruises at a speed of 270–305 m/s, and its maximum strike range is claimed to be 1,000 km.

The ADE official said that the missile programme is on track and expressed optimism that the weapon will soon be moving into the production-standard configuration, followed by the operational testing phase. He added that once the technology behind the missile is certified, there is a proposal to develop an air-launched variant of the Nirbhay within two to three years.

The intended air-launched variant would be developed to be fired from Su-30MKI multirole fighter aircraft, each of which would carry a maximum of two missiles.

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I hope we can test one in wartime conditions..
 

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#BREAKING #India is all set to test fire indigenously developed sub-sonic cruise #missile Nirbhay from a defence facility off #Odisha coast. The test can happen anytime from now. Watch this space for latest developments
 

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