NEW QUAD [ India, Israel, USA, UAE ]- News and Discussions

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A New quad is formed in the region with India, Israel USA and UAE.
We can discuss evvvvvvvvverything about it here on this thread.


Quad came together due to instability caused by Iran in the region: Israeli envoy to India
Israel's new envoy to India, Naor Gilon, has said that while the new Quad (Israel, USA, UAE, India) was not against any one country, one of the major factors for the countries to come together was due to the instability caused by Iran in the region. Naor Gilon's remarks drew a sharp response from the Iranian embassy in New Delhi.



 

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‘India-US-Israel-UAE grouping an offspring of the Abraham Accords’
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NEW DELHI : The newly formed India-US-Israel-United Arab Emirates grouping, is an “offspring" of the Abraham Accords, and will focus on infrastructure development in the region and beyond, the Israeli ambassador to India Naor Gilon said.

There will be no military element to the group though, the ambassador said when asked if the grouping could look at military exchanges like another Quad – US, India, Australia and Japan.


 

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‘India-US-Israel-UAE grouping an offspring of the Abraham Accords’
Elizabeth Roche

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NEW DELHI : The newly formed India-US-Israel-United Arab Emirates grouping, is an “offspring" of the Abraham Accords, and will focus on infrastructure development in the region and beyond, the Israeli ambassador to India Naor Gilon said.

There will be no military element to the group though, the ambassador said when asked if the grouping could look at military exchanges like another Quad – US, India, Australia and Japan.


This is an attempt to draw us into an alliance structure, although they appear to be simply probing for now. We have no reason to enter such a grouping and throw our relationship with Iran (however low) under the bus. Unless Iran becomes a direct military threat to India, there is no point in playing along with this nonsense.
 

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Jeff M. Smith (@Cold_Peace_) Tweeted:
Blinken: "with Israel, UAE and India, we have three of our most strategic partners. And given so many overlapping interests–energy, climate, trade, regional security–this seems like a really interesting and good idea to try and use this new [Quad] format"

 

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Seems like this alliance is already seeing some turbulent weather. As usual, the Burger Boyz have pissed someone off - this time, it is the U.A.E.

UAE Suspends Talks on $23B Weapons Deal With US
The Emirati embassy in Washington said it would “suspend discussions" with the U.S., though meetings at the Pentagon this week between the two sides on other matters will move forward as planned. “The U.S. remains the UAE's preferred provider for advanced defense requirements and discussions for the F-35 may be re-opened in the future,” the embassy said in a statement.

The proposed sale of 50 F-35s to the UAE came at the end of former President Donald Trump's administration, emerging from a deal that saw the Emiratis formally recognize Israel. President Joe Biden's administration put the deal on hold after he took office, in part due to criticism of the UAE and Saudi Arabia over their yearslong war in Yemen, which has sparked one of the world's worst humanitarian crises and continues today.

Also included in the deal are 18 advanced drone systems and a package of air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions.

Emirati officials blame an American insistence on restrictions on how and where the F-35s could be used and say they are a violation of the UAE's sovereignty. (pssst... @asianobserve, you were saying :cool3::cool3:?)

The State Department said in a statement that the administration “remains committed to the proposed sales ... even as we continue consultations to ensure that we have a clear, mutual understanding of Emirati obligations and actions before, during, and after delivery.”

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters that U.S. requirements on the use of American-made military equipment “are universal, non-negotiable, and not specific to the UAE.” “The U.S. partnership with the UAE is more strategic and more complex than any one weapon sale,” Kirby said. A person familiar with the matter said the U.S. believes the Emiratis' move now is a negotiating tactic to try to move the process along. The person, who was not authorized to comment and spoke on the condition of anonymity, said the UAE letter notifying the U.S. of the suspension was written by a relatively low-level official.

The UAE has long worked with the U.S. on counterterrorism and allowed the entry of people fleeing Afghanistan during the chaotic U.S. withdrawal earlier this year. But tensions between Washington and Abu Dhabi have risen over the UAE's growing cooperation with China. Last week, a top Emirati diplomat acknowledged the UAE stopped construction on a Chinese facility at an Abu Dhabi port that America considered a military base. The Journal first revealed the presence of the alleged facility. “We took these American concerns into consideration and we stopped the work on the facilities,” the diplomat, Anwar Gargash, told a meeting of the the Arab Gulf States Institute in Washington. “But our position remains the same, that these facilities were not really military facilities.” He described the discussions between the UAE and the U.S. “as quite frank.”

Associated Press journalists Isabel DeBre and Jon Gambrell in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, and Robert Burns and Aamer Madhani in Washington contributed to this report.
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No wonder the Emiratis have welcomed France with open arms and Macron was in Saudi Arabia. The entire GCC seems to be moving away from the United States and wants to align with a mix of France/EU, India and other multipolar regional powers, including China.

That Afghan withdrawal did a real number on the American reputation globally huh...
 

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Seems like this alliance is already seeing some turbulent weather. As usual, the Burger Boyz have pissed someone off - this time, it is the U.A.E.



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No wonder the Emiratis have welcomed France with open arms and Macron was in Saudi Arabia. The entire GCC seems to be moving away from the United States and wants to align with a mix of France/EU, India and other multipolar regional powers, including China.

That Afghan withdrawal did a real number on the American reputation globally huh...
Alliance with France, Japan, SoKor and other countries on bilateral/multilateral basis is anyday better than getting Muricans involved. They take the lead seat, treat others like trash, and then crash straight into shithole- arrogant morons. They have destroyed the countries without any scratch to them
 

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Seems like this alliance is already seeing some turbulent weather. As usual, the Burger Boyz have pissed someone off - this time, it is the U.A.E.



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No wonder the Emiratis have welcomed France with open arms and Macron was in Saudi Arabia. The entire GCC seems to be moving away from the United States and wants to align with a mix of France/EU, India and other multipolar regional powers, including China.

That Afghan withdrawal did a real number on the American reputation globally huh...
The US was not too keen in the first place to supply UAE with F-35.
 

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Alliance with France, Japan, SoKor and other countries on bilateral/multilateral basis is anyday better than getting Muricans involved. They take the lead seat, treat others like trash, and then crash straight into shithole- arrogant morons. They have destroyed the countries without any scratch to them
I agree. We need to start this 2+2 format with more countries such as:

Israel
France
South Korea
Vietnam

We are already involved with USA, Australia and Japan in this format. Unfortunately, much of our strategic engagement community is still focused on the big powers, namely Russia and the United States rather than forming partnerships with smaller countries and bolstering our military industrial complex.

Turkey that way is extremely smart despite their limitations; they have tied up with Korea, Ukraine, Sweden, Italy, and now negotiating with the UK (for the Tempest). They know that the future is in collaborating with smaller powers to develop an effective military-industrial complex which would in turn, make free them from the United States' stranglehold. Notwithstanding Erdogan's Ottoman foolish wet dreams, their defence planners are really pragmatic when it comes to boosting their industries.
 
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The US was not too keen in the first place to supply UAE with F-35.
And then it was once the Abraham Accords were signed. The whole premise of the Accords were to assure the US that they will not target Israel (realistically speaking).

Believe me, we love and want to have strong positive ties with the United States. It is an industrial powerhouse and an innovation hub. Which sane country wouldn't?

The reason why I quoted you here was because you raised the matter that we Indians don't trust the American deep state. It is for this reason: if you are not from a White, Christian, White + Christian or other puppet country, they eventually control you, fly you into the ground & then blame you for the fallout.
 

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And then it was once the Abraham Accords were signed. The whole premise of the Accords were to assure the US that they will not target Israel (realistically speaking).

Believe me, we love and want to have strong positive ties with the United States. It is an industrial powerhouse and an innovation hub. Which sane country wouldn't?

The reason why I quoted you here was because you raised the matter that we Indians don't trust the American deep state. It is for this reason: if you are not from a White, Christian, White + Christian or other puppet country, they eventually control you, fly you into the ground & then blame you for the fallout.

In international relations trust is based on alignment of national interests.
 

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In international relations trust is based on alignment of national interests.
It also depends on whether the other country is adversarial or not or ever shown signs of it. It never has.
UAE has literally been the puppy boy of the US for decades. It has US military bases, its people treat Americans like gods in their job markets, US citizens are given treatment like kings, and is already having several American multinational corporations there with their CEOs only having praises for the country.

I don't know whether you have been to that country, but one visit there and you will know how much the UAE has been like a mini-Japan for the Americans as well as the British and French. Totally Western - they are Oreo Arabs; brown outside and white inside.

If this does not convince them, nothing ever will. Your location as Philippines is conducive for them because you are just across from China. The day you start emerging as an economic powerhouse and Filipino companies start competing with American ones, you will see a sudden change in their attitude. They won't care then that you are democratic or you have been their friend for all that long.
 

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It also depends on whether the other country is adversarial or not or ever shown signs of it. It never has.
UAE has literally been the puppy boy of the US for decades. It has US military bases, its people treat Americans like gods in their job markets, US citizens are given treatment like kings, and is already having several American multinational corporations there with their CEOs only having praises for the country.

I don't know whether you have been to that country, but one visit there and you will know how much the UAE has been like a mini-Japan for the Americans as well as the British and French. Totally Western - they are Oreo Arabs; brown outside and white inside.

If this does not convince them, nothing ever will. Your location as Philippines is conducive for them because you are just across from China. The day you start emerging as an economic powerhouse and Filipino companies start competing with American ones, you will see a sudden change in their attitude. They won't care then that you are democratic or you have been their friend for all that long.

Why do you think the UAE stuck with the US all these years? The Emiratis benefited immensely in terms of security and economics from its close alliance with the Americans. A lot of countries, granting they know how to maximize their benefits, just think of Singapore, Korea, Japan, etc., have enjoyed srcuroty and prosperity due to close US relationship.

In fact, the World has not experienced the kind of growth as much as it has under a US unipolar arrangment.
 

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India-Israel-US-UAE ‘West Asian Quad’ crucial to address complex global threats, says UAE envoy

New Delhi: Ahmed Albanna, ambassador of the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to India, Thursday referred to the newly formed India-Israel-US-UAE grouping as the ‘West Asian Quad’, which is crucial for addressing global threats.

The India-Israel-US-UAE grouping, that met for the first time under a new framework in October 2021, was created to mainly deal with issues concerning maritime security, infrastructure, digital infrastructure, and transport. The grouping was announced during a meeting of the foreign ministers of the four countries on 18 October 2021.

“Signing of the historic Abraham Accord has not only opened up new opportunities for our own bilaterals with the state of UAE but also the trilateral strategic cooperation between the UAE, the US, India and Israel,” Albanna said at an event Thursday, adding that this ‘West Asian Quad’ will focus more on technology and security.

“The newly formed West Asian Quad between the UAE, India, Israel and the US is an offspring of the Abraham Accord… I firmly believe that the multilateral approach is more critical than ever to respond to increasingly complex threats to global economic growth and stability,” he added.

The Abraham Accords were signed in September 2020 by the US, UAE and Bahrain, which were later joined by Sudan and Morocco. Under these accords, the Jewish state of Israel has established diplomatic relations with its Muslim-majority neighbours and heralded normalisation of ties between the UAE and Israel

New defence & security ties
Albanna also said while India and the UAE always enjoyed a growing relationship when it came to energy partnership and people-to-people connectivity, it has now expanded to the segments of defence and security.

“Our bilateral partnership has been traditionally dominated by energy and trade and expatriates. In recent times, we have witnessed a deepening of cooperation in new, strategic sectors such as defence, security, healthcare and sophisticated technology, like blockchain and artificial intelligence,” he said.

He also said the UAE is India’s only foreign partner in strategic oil reserves.

India-UAE CEPA to boost two-way trade
On the upcoming signing of the India-UAE Comprehensive Economic Partnership Agreement (CEPA), the envoy said all approvals are in place and are awaiting the leadership of both countries to give it the go ahead.

“It will be signed soon and implemented,” Albanna said, adding, “we did it in less than four months’ time”. Negotiations for the free trade pact or CEPA began in October 2021.

He also said that the proposed India-UAE CEPA will further boost trade and investment ties between the countries.

According to Albanna, two-way trade between India and the UAE will now get a further boost, as they are now strategic partners. He said the UAE will also invest a total of $75 billion in India to strengthen infrastructure.

“We started the actual negotiations in October and by December-end our negotiators had finalised the agreement… Signing a CEPA usually takes countries months and months, if not years and years,” Albanna said, adding that the pact will boost India’s manufacturing sector and generate jobs.

To effect the flow of investments, the trade pact will create a “one-zone corridor” for India in the UAE and vice-versa, he said.

UAE is India’s third-largest trading partner, with two-way trade reaching nearly $60 billion in 2020-21. Both sides have set a target of taking this to $100 billion by 2026.

 

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"India is a massive market. It is a massive consumer market. It’s a massive producer of high-tech and highly sought-after goods as well", State Dept on what India brings to table at I2U2



 

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