New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

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Decklander

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none of the light guns mentioned above have chromium plating inside except for the Indian gun so none of them will be selected. The new 155/52 cal towed gun has this and you can notice that it has a range of 52 kms with normal ammo. I had posted this in my arguments with @Damian in Arjun vs T-90 thread. I had predicted there that this unique tech has resulted in much higher muzzle velocities for Indian guns whether they are artillary or light arms. I had told you guys that soon you will see indian made multi barrel gun firing hypersonic shots which was misunderstood by @Damian to be a multibarrel gun for Arjun Tank. I hope you guys know that IA is in market looking for multibarrel guns for SFs.

this is what chromium plating does to a gun barrel.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-74310veGwnY/UOqPim3y98I/AAAAAAAADFc/Y4bPvGgfipo/s1600/ATAGS+Poster-2.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ikRva2ALmbo/UOqPXNRqgeI/AAAAAAAADFU/Z2rwpuzZQHM/s1600/ATAGS+Poster-1.JPG
 
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@Decklander, Most modern rifles are chromium plated as its very common as P-rail that there is no specific mention of it..
 
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none of the light guns mentioned above have chromium plating inside except for the Indian gun so none of them will be selected. The new 155/52 cal towed gun has this and you can notice that it has a range of 52 kms with normal ammo. I had posted this in my arguments with @Damian in Arjun vs T-90 thread. I had predicted there that this unique tech has resulted in much higher muzzle velocities for Indian guns whether they are artillary or light arms. I had told you guys that soon you will see indian made multi barrel gun firing hypersonic shots which was misunderstood by @Damian to be a multibarrel gun for Arjun Tank. I hope you guys know that IA is in market looking for multibarrel guns for SFs.

this is what chromium plating does to a gun barrel.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-74310veGwnY/UOqPim3y98I/AAAAAAAADFc/Y4bPvGgfipo/s1600/ATAGS+Poster-2.JPG
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ikRva2ALmbo/UOqPXNRqgeI/AAAAAAAADFU/Z2rwpuzZQHM/s1600/ATAGS+Poster-1.JPG
I remember reading about certain coating (Chromium) developed by some IIT which when applied to nose cone of a Ballistic Missile increases it's range significantly, about around 40%. Is this the same thing you talking about ?
(This coating reduces drag/drag coefficient)

Edit : http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2008-09-10/news/27724374_1_coating-longest-range-missile-missile-range
 
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I remember reading about certain coating (Chromium) developed by some IIT which when applied to nose cone of a Ballistic Missile increases it's range significantly, about around 40%. Is this the same thing you talking about ?
(This coating reduces drag/drag coefficient)

Edit : New tech to boost missile range by 40% - Economic Times
You are bang on here. This chromium plating was a sudden find and not intended. But it has changed a lot of things for indians coupled with CL-20 explosive development, has allowed us to design better and far more powerful propellents for our ammo. That is what is giving Arjun that hypershot capability. Except for US, only India knows how to make it. Even russians, chinese and Israelies do not know how to make it.
http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4852
pls read this post it clearly mentions its use for Arjun only. The chromium plating allows much higher muzzle velocity and breach pressure for Arjun than what most tanks can withstand.
 
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@Decklander, Most modern rifles are chromium plated as its very common as P-rail that there is no specific mention of it..
You need to recheck. Not all guns have it. Indians guns were failing in reliability and effective range due to this but they are better than what most nations have to offer now due to this tech. Our sniper guns are going to have the hyper shot soon.
 
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You need to recheck. Not all guns have it. Indians guns were failing in reliability and effective range due to this but they are better than what most nations have to offer now due to this tech. Our sniper guns are going to have the hyper shot soon.
well decklander the chromium plating was introduced in ak47 and after that every modern gun has it insas had it from start
 

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check kunal s profile pic it will show chromium plating
Pls read my post again, Its not just abt chromiun plating but also abt a hyper velocity bullet.
I am constrained to share more info, but pls understand that we have made some real big brealthrough in ballastics.
 

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Pls read my post again, Its not just abt chromiun plating but also abt a hyper velocity bullet.
I am constrained to share more info, but pls understand that we have made some real big brealthrough in ballastics.
if and only if ur words are to be believed then my friend we are really progressig towards becoming a superpower:thumb:
 

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Jawans may soon have top-class Italian machine guns - India - DNA

Jawans may soon have top-class Italian machine guns
Published: Friday, Feb 8, 2013, 9:00 IST
By Nirad Mudur | Place: Bangalore | Agency: DNA


The Indian Army is conducting trials of a sophisticated automatic assault rifle, ARX-160, a close quarter battle weapon from the stables of world renowned and one of the oldest small arms company in the world, Beretta of Italy.

Putting behind the recent controversy over the "barrel bulge" experienced by the Border Security Force while using Beretta's MX-4 Storm sub-machineguns, the defence ministry has included the company among a total of four contenders – other three being IWI, Sig and Colt – for choosing 45,000 ARX-160 assault rifles for the jawans of the Indian Army.

Udai Singh, Beretta – India country manager, said the ARX-160 A1 and A2 assault rifles are developed to be the most effective weapons on the battlefield.The rifles are designed to accept multi-calibre cartridges: a magazine of 45 cartridges of 5.56mm (NATO standard) as well as 39 cartridges of 7.62 mm in a magazine (in use among the jawans as with the INSAS rifles).

The rifle's barrel can also be changed from 16-inch to a 12-inch one, depending on the nature of combat planned, besides the weapon can also double as a sniper rifle in urban combat scenarios.

Both versions of the ARX-160, manufactured in Brescia in Italy, are already in use in at least 10 member countries of NATO, he said.

A unique feature of both versions of the assault rifle is that they are ambidextrous – which means safety catches and other features including the empty cartridge ejection chamber is provided on both sides of the rifle. This provides an added benefit that the soldier can choose which side the empties can eject from just before resorting to "corner fire" (firing at a target on the sides without turning the body).

Sources in Beretta informed DNA that the defence ministry is also in talks with the company to procure a specialised sniper rifle from the stables of Sako, a Beretta subsidiary company, ""¦but the talks are still in the initial stages," the source said.

A company spokesperson separately told DNA that Beretta was looking forward to a new beginning with the Indian defence ministry after the "barrel bulge" controversy was amicably resolved after all the 80 MX-4 Storm sub-machine guns, suspected to have the defect, were completely replaced with new ones. The 80 MX-4 weapons were a part of a total of 38,000 delivered to the Border Security Force in May 2012.

"The problem that we refer to as 'barrel bulge' occurs commonly due to defects in the ammunition, not in the weapons," explained the spokesperson. "Especially in an automatic rifle, which has micro grooves inside the barrel, a small defect in the cartridge can lead to the bullet getting stuck within. But as it is a machine gun, the following bullet rams into the stuck one at high velocity and displaces it. But this causes the barrel to bulge a little."
 

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I have no idea what is like to shoot a bolt action, I like the old and faithful SVD ..
 

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As per the above article, IA might be looking at Sako TRG Sniper Rifle.

It is used by Russian famed Alfa special forces group.

let's hope that acquisition of sniper rifles is not faced with lack of snipers :p

Time for US MARINE SCOUT SNIPER program in INDIA training from Russia,US and UK will be much helpful to gain their expertise in this field
 

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Cannot comment, we have to wait for official conformation..

DRDO MCR/W is part of FINSAS program..

is it true that we finally get arx 160?is it a reliable source?what happened to drdo MCW
 

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I hope it wont be a nightmare, while cleaning / harsh condition..
 
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