New Assault Rifles for Indian Army

[mikhail]

Re: New Rifles for Indian Army

we can go for the czech made CZ- 805 Bren.its a great AR and the most important thing is that the IA has been operating Czech made Vz-58s for a long time now,so they are pretty familiar with Czech weapon technology!Kunal sir whats your opinion about CZ-805 Bren assault rifle?

 

[sayareakd]

Re: New Rifles for Indian Army

 

[Ray]

@Kunal

Could you give the technical parameters of each of the weapons being discussed so that one can evaluate.

What is important are:

1. Weight.

2. Range.

3. Magazine capacity and its weight (because the on weapon ammunition is to be carried on the man)

4. Length.

5. Interchangeability of calibre.

6. Add ons to make it multifunctional.

7. Rate of fire.

7a. Stoppages and ease and speed of clearing such stoppages.

8. Modes of fire - semi automatic, 3 round bursts, single shot and so on.

9. Stopping power of the weapon and the ammunition.

10. Transfer of Technology/ licence production.

11. Mode of Payment and how much will be ploughed back into India.

12. Maintainability.

13, Being 'soldier proof'.

14. Performance in a variety of climatic and terrain conditions as applicable to India and projected combat zones.

 

[Damian]

Pity, that in poll, there is not MSBS mentioned.

Just saying.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

1. Weight.

ARX-160 : 3.1 kg empty
Colt AR : 2.88 kg empty
Galil ACE : 3.30 kg empty
SIG 551: 3.40 kg empty
CZ-805 BREN :3.5kg empty

2. Range.

ARX-160 : 600 m
Colt AR : 600 m
Galil ACE : 500 m
SIG 551: 400 m
CZ-805 BREN :500 m

3. Magazine capacity and its weight (because the on weapon ammunition is to be carried on the man)

ARX-160 : 30 round
Colt AR : 30 round
Galil ACE : 35 round
SIG 551: 30-round
CZ-805 BREN : 30-round

4. Length.

ARX-160 : 755 mm stock exteneded
Colt AR : 840 mm stock extended
Galil ACE : 767 mm stock extended
SIG 551: 833 mm stock extended
CZ-805 BREN : 855 mm stock extended

5. Interchangeability of calibre.

All are..

6. Add ons to make it multifunctional.

All are..

7. Rate of fire.

All are above 500rnds per min..

Modes of fire - semi automatic, 3 round bursts, single shot and so on.

Bren , ARX-160 have all three options..

9. Stopping power of the weapon and the ammunition.

All Rifle use 5.56mm which is a light and high velocity bullet with greater penetration level and other is Russian 7.62 slow and Heavy round have more stopping power.

10. Transfer of Technology/ licence production.

All are..

12. Maintainability.

In my view Galil / Sig which is derived from AK have better maintainability than others..

13, Being 'soldier proof'.

Galil is proved Rifle so does Sig..

14. Performance in a variety of climatic and terrain conditions as applicable to India and projected combat zones.

Galil and Sig but i will also count Bren, Its design is unknown mostly but as it from CZ, I expect better..




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7a. Stoppages and ease and speed of clearing such stoppages.

Cant say, One can only know who use it regularly..

11. Mode of Payment and how much will be ploughed back into India.

Don't know the specifics..

 

[Ray]

Re: New Rifles for Indian Army

Bye bye Indian Guns?

Guns? Or rifles?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

From Genral Specs..

ARX-160 seems nice rifle..

But its ruggedness is unknown, Where as Galil and Sig design follow AK so one can assume these reliability is better..

ARX-160 : 3.1 kg empty
Colt AR : 2.88 kg empty
Galil ACE : 3.30 kg empty
SIG 551: 3.40 kg empty
CZ-805 BREN :3.5kg empty


ARX-160 : 600 m
Colt AR : 600 m
Galil ACE : 500 m
SIG 551: 400 m
CZ-805 BREN :500 m


ARX-160 : 30 round
Colt AR : 30 round
Galil ACE : 35 round
SIG 551: 30-round
CZ-805 BREN : 30-round



ARX-160 : 755 mm stock exteneded
Colt AR : 840 mm stock extended
Galil ACE : 767 mm stock extended
SIG 551: 833 mm stock extended
CZ-805 BREN : 855 mm stock extended

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Shot Show 2012 - Beretta ARX160

 

[Kunal Biswas]

At the Range with the CZ 805 BREN A2 Carbine

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Shooting the Colt CM901 Modular .308, 5.56x45, 7.62x39, 6.8 AR15

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Sig 556 Classic

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IWI Ace 31 extreme conditions tests

 

[Shaitan]

 

[Shaitan]

Colombian Galil Ace

 

[Damian]

MSBS-5,56.

 

[Shaitan]

Domian wants Poland to be in the game....

 

[Damian]

I think it is reasonable. MSBS is not worse than other competing designs, in some terms is even better, as it is trully modular design, not only in terms of changing calliber, but also it is designed from base to be both classic and bullpup design.

BTW the only tool needed to converse it from one variant to other is hex key + proper modules. So it definetly gives a new quality and capabilities.

 

[Hari Sud]

If there is limited money for modernization of army as in India what would you spend it on buying a sexy rifle and dump INSAS which works fine except in extreme cold or on buying new battlefield air defence system which is 97% out of date.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: New Rifles for Indian Army

we can go for the czech made CZ- 805 Bren.its a great AR and the most important thing is that the IA has been operating Czech made Vz-58s for a long time now,so they are pretty familiar with Czech weapon technology!Kunal sir whats your opinion about CZ-805 Bren assault rifle?

One of the best Rifle out there, It have a good chance, It also a plus point is it also have a Carbine version..

 

[mikhail]

Re: New Rifles for Indian Army

One of the best Rifle out there, It have a good chance, It also a plus point is it also have a Carbine version..

but sir don't you think that the Galil Ace model is a bit outdated?and does it allow the use of extensive accesories whuch the other rifles in the competition do?