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Delhi | The F-INSAS soldiers have been provided with the #AK203 assault rifles, planned to be manufactured in Amethi in a joint venture between #Indian and #Russian entities. #MadeInIndia

Indian Version of AK-203 assault rifle
Change that stupid plate carrier for something more ergonomic and take off the elbow pads and it'll be perfect.
 

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For the F-INSAS program. I hope we move from external elbow and knee pad to integrated one. I believe they are not bullet proof but to prevent injuries to Elbow and knee area. Because even elbow and knee pads are integrated in Biker jackets. And for army a bulk is enough to produce in sufficient quantities.

For a goddamn reason we have a pretty robust textile sector and tapping them will be much useful.
 

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Russian-Indian joint venture for AK-203 assault rifle production starts working
“The joint venture [Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited] has already started work. The Russian side is represented by us together with the Rosoboronexport [state arms seller]. The joint venture is working, everything is on schedule,” Lushnikov said.

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared the creation of a joint Indian-Russian venture for the production of Kalashnikov rifles in March 2019. The joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) for making the AK-203 rifle was set up near the city of Korwa in Uttar Pradesh.

As CEO of Russia’s Rosoboronexport state arms seller Alexander Mikheyev said in December last year, Russia is ready to arrange full-scale production of 7.62mm AK-203 assault rifles in India within two-three years. According to him, the first batch of AK-203 assault rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localization and then full-scale production will begin.

Under the contract, more than 600,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles will be delivered to Indian uniformed agencies. Thus, India may become the first foreign country to produce the AK-203 assault rifle.

A version of the AK-203 assault rifle designed for the Indian Armed Forces was unveiled at the DefExpo India 2020 exhibition. Unlike its predecessor, the AK-203 has been fitted with a Magpul-type telescopic buttstock and a more comfortable pistol grip. The reinforced upper receiver and handguard carry Picatinny rails, which are intended for the installation of various sighting systems. The handguard also features MIL-STD-1913 rails for tactical grips, bipods, weapon flashlights or laser pointers. The weapon can be fitted with the 40mm GP-34 under-barrel grenade launcher.

Military products account for 79% of Kalashnikov Group’s revenues

Military and civilian products manufactured by the Kalashnikov Group account for 79 percent and 21 percent of its revenues respectively, Group President Alan Lushnikov told TASS. “As for the group as a whole, military products account for 79 percent of its revenues, civilian products make up 21 percent. This is quite a stable ratio. As for military products, we include there not only weapons made under state defense contracts but also arms exports,” Lushnikov said.

As Lushnikov specified, the group’s output has grown due to the special military operation in Ukraine. “The output has increased but I cannot tell more about it,” the group’s head said.
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Russian-Indian joint venture for AK-203 assault rifle production starts working
“The joint venture [Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited] has already started work. The Russian side is represented by us together with the Rosoboronexport [state arms seller]. The joint venture is working, everything is on schedule,” Lushnikov said.

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared the creation of a joint Indian-Russian venture for the production of Kalashnikov rifles in March 2019. The joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) for making the AK-203 rifle was set up near the city of Korwa in Uttar Pradesh.

As CEO of Russia’s Rosoboronexport state arms seller Alexander Mikheyev said in December last year, Russia is ready to arrange full-scale production of 7.62mm AK-203 assault rifles in India within two-three years. According to him, the first batch of AK-203 assault rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localization and then full-scale production will begin.

Under the contract, more than 600,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles will be delivered to Indian uniformed agencies. Thus, India may become the first foreign country to produce the AK-203 assault rifle.

A version of the AK-203 assault rifle designed for the Indian Armed Forces was unveiled at the DefExpo India 2020 exhibition. Unlike its predecessor, the AK-203 has been fitted with a Magpul-type telescopic buttstock and a more comfortable pistol grip. The reinforced upper receiver and handguard carry Picatinny rails, which are intended for the installation of various sighting systems. The handguard also features MIL-STD-1913 rails for tactical grips, bipods, weapon flashlights or laser pointers. The weapon can be fitted with the 40mm GP-34 under-barrel grenade launcher.

Military products account for 79% of Kalashnikov Group’s revenues

Military and civilian products manufactured by the Kalashnikov Group account for 79 percent and 21 percent of its revenues respectively, Group President Alan Lushnikov told TASS. “As for the group as a whole, military products account for 79 percent of its revenues, civilian products make up 21 percent. This is quite a stable ratio. As for military products, we include there not only weapons made under state defense contracts but also arms exports,” Lushnikov said.

As Lushnikov specified, the group’s output has grown due to the special military operation in Ukraine. “The output has increased but I cannot tell more about it,” the group’s head said.
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Give us a shout when the first batch of Indian made 203 comes out of the production line. Until then, it is all fun and sweet talk.
 

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Russian-Indian joint venture for AK-203 assault rifle production starts working
“The joint venture [Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited] has already started work. The Russian side is represented by us together with the Rosoboronexport [state arms seller]. The joint venture is working, everything is on schedule,” Lushnikov said.

India’s Prime Minister Narendra Modi declared the creation of a joint Indian-Russian venture for the production of Kalashnikov rifles in March 2019. The joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) for making the AK-203 rifle was set up near the city of Korwa in Uttar Pradesh.

As CEO of Russia’s Rosoboronexport state arms seller Alexander Mikheyev said in December last year, Russia is ready to arrange full-scale production of 7.62mm AK-203 assault rifles in India within two-three years. According to him, the first batch of AK-203 assault rifles will be produced in India with a phased increase in the extent of localization and then full-scale production will begin.

Under the contract, more than 600,000 Kalashnikov assault rifles will be delivered to Indian uniformed agencies. Thus, India may become the first foreign country to produce the AK-203 assault rifle.

A version of the AK-203 assault rifle designed for the Indian Armed Forces was unveiled at the DefExpo India 2020 exhibition. Unlike its predecessor, the AK-203 has been fitted with a Magpul-type telescopic buttstock and a more comfortable pistol grip. The reinforced upper receiver and handguard carry Picatinny rails, which are intended for the installation of various sighting systems. The handguard also features MIL-STD-1913 rails for tactical grips, bipods, weapon flashlights or laser pointers. The weapon can be fitted with the 40mm GP-34 under-barrel grenade launcher.

Military products account for 79% of Kalashnikov Group’s revenues

Military and civilian products manufactured by the Kalashnikov Group account for 79 percent and 21 percent of its revenues respectively, Group President Alan Lushnikov told TASS. “As for the group as a whole, military products account for 79 percent of its revenues, civilian products make up 21 percent. This is quite a stable ratio. As for military products, we include there not only weapons made under state defense contracts but also arms exports,” Lushnikov said.

As Lushnikov specified, the group’s output has grown due to the special military operation in Ukraine. “The output has increased but I cannot tell more about it,” the group’s head said.
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Hopefully Uncle Putin will authorize full Transfer of Technology (ToT) for AK-203. Not just the "Know-How" but also the "Know-Why".

Of course it is important to know HOW to make assault rifles, but it is just as essential to know WHY we are making assault rifles.
 

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Indo-Russian AK-203 Rifles production in India gets delayed
Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that the delay is due to issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.


Indigenous production of the much awaited AK-203 assault rifle under the joint venture between India and Russia is expected to be delayed further due to unresolved issues between the two sides.

Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that “There is a delay in the indigenous manufacturing of the AK-203 as there are issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.”

“Secondly, due to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, there has been a delay in the process of firming up the supply chain. Also there is lack of clarity on the supply chain,” said the source quoted above.

Adding, “Incidentally, there is no clarity on who will be making the barrel of the assault rifle.”

F-INSAS unveiled by defence minister

On Tuesday, defence minister Rajnath Singh, had unveiled the concept of Future Infantry Soldier as a System (F-INSAS). The F-INSAS handed over showed an AK-203 assault rifle, which India had received off the shelf from Moscow, the soldier was wearing a helmet made by Kanpur based MKU, and the bullet proof jacket is from another company SMPP Pvt. Ltd.

How many rifles are required?

The Indian Army is waiting for 6.71 Around 6.71 lakh AK-203 7.62×39 mm rifles to be manufactured at this facility based at Korwa, UP. The two countries in 2019 had inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) under which a Joint Venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100% indigenisation.

Upgrade of the existing AK-47

Financial Express Online earlier this year had reported that a Bengaluru based company SSS Defence had won a contract for upgradation of AK 47 rifles to the Indian Army’s Para Special Forces. The company has completed delivery of its Proprietary upgrade kits. Interestingly, for the first time a private sector company SSS Defence replaced an incumbent Israeli supplier – FAB Defence.

Due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war the company, according to sources the company is expected to receive a larger contract to upgrade more Kalashnikov rifles in service. The Special Forces of the Indian Army is presently using a mix of frontline assault weapons including — TAR-21s, M4A1s, among other rifles.

As has been reported earlier, sources have said “there is an acute shortage of raw material, components and end products, and this is causing delays in the indigenisation of various platforms in the Indian army.”

AK-203 for the Indian Army

The INSAS rifle which has been the mainstay of the armed forces has been plagued by limited upgrades, inefficiencies, and manufacturing quality concerns.

The Indian Army has had its woes with the INSAS rifle, an indigenous production, since its induction in 1994. One problem the Indian Army faces is the lack of a standardised carbine. The equipment has been unable to change with the evolution of the Army. The Army went from a traditional infantry force to a multifaceted organisation increasingly taking on urban assailants in a close quarter battle. Further, the Army revised its philosophy that earlier demanded the rifle to be able to incapacitate the target. Now, the Army adorns a stricter stance and seeks, per philosophy, an assault rifle capable of carrying out “shoot to kill” orders. Further, the existing infantry suffers losses when long-range, high-recoil rifles are used in tight spaces.

The AK-47, irrespective of the operator, has delivered in various environments, from deserts to high seas to the mountains. However, evolution is never-ending. And Kalashnikov released its next flagship rifle, the AK-203. It is slated to be a worldwide standard in the years to come.

More about AK-203

The Indian Army will receive a 300m range AK-203, although there are variants with a more excellent range. Even at such a long-range, the accuracy of the AK-203 is one of the best. It edges out the competition in the amount of Picatinny rails which allow a variety of add-ons such as sights. This standard mounting system lends greater modularity to the operators. It carries the reputable reliability that has been the hallmark of the Kalashnikov rifles like the AK-47 and the AK-74. It can perform in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius in temperature tests. This makes it perfect for the mountainous warfare the Indian Army engages in with Pakistan and China.

In the opposite environment, the rifle also sustains dust storms and other builds of sand in desert environments. The tests were meant to emulate a sandstorm that could not deter the rifle’s reliability and accuracy. This is a handy weapon for even the long desert terrain we share with Pakistan.

The rifle tests included an emulation of tropical rain where the rifle was loaded and then exposed to the long downpour that turned the sand into silt. This means that not only will the wetter and tropical operations benefit, but with the combined ability to resist sand and silt, it will be viable for coastal forces to use this as well.

Beyond extreme reliability, it will use the 7.62×39 mm carbine with a collapsible stock that will enable close-quarter battles. This one rifle will be able to adapt to various tasks that the Indian Army has been undertaking. The Indian Army will be the first recipient of the AK-203 outside Russia. Currently, it is under limited use by the Russian Special Forces.

Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100 percent indigenisation.
 

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Indo-Russian AK-203 Rifles production in India gets delayed
Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that the delay is due to issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.


Indigenous production of the much awaited AK-203 assault rifle under the joint venture between India and Russia is expected to be delayed further due to unresolved issues between the two sides.

Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that “There is a delay in the indigenous manufacturing of the AK-203 as there are issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.”

“Secondly, due to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, there has been a delay in the process of firming up the supply chain. Also there is lack of clarity on the supply chain,” said the source quoted above.

Adding, “Incidentally, there is no clarity on who will be making the barrel of the assault rifle.”

F-INSAS unveiled by defence minister

On Tuesday, defence minister Rajnath Singh, had unveiled the concept of Future Infantry Soldier as a System (F-INSAS). The F-INSAS handed over showed an AK-203 assault rifle, which India had received off the shelf from Moscow, the soldier was wearing a helmet made by Kanpur based MKU, and the bullet proof jacket is from another company SMPP Pvt. Ltd.

How many rifles are required?

The Indian Army is waiting for 6.71 Around 6.71 lakh AK-203 7.62×39 mm rifles to be manufactured at this facility based at Korwa, UP. The two countries in 2019 had inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) under which a Joint Venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100% indigenisation.

Upgrade of the existing AK-47

Financial Express Online earlier this year had reported that a Bengaluru based company SSS Defence had won a contract for upgradation of AK 47 rifles to the Indian Army’s Para Special Forces. The company has completed delivery of its Proprietary upgrade kits. Interestingly, for the first time a private sector company SSS Defence replaced an incumbent Israeli supplier – FAB Defence.

Due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war the company, according to sources the company is expected to receive a larger contract to upgrade more Kalashnikov rifles in service. The Special Forces of the Indian Army is presently using a mix of frontline assault weapons including — TAR-21s, M4A1s, among other rifles.

As has been reported earlier, sources have said “there is an acute shortage of raw material, components and end products, and this is causing delays in the indigenisation of various platforms in the Indian army.”

AK-203 for the Indian Army

The INSAS rifle which has been the mainstay of the armed forces has been plagued by limited upgrades, inefficiencies, and manufacturing quality concerns.

The Indian Army has had its woes with the INSAS rifle, an indigenous production, since its induction in 1994. One problem the Indian Army faces is the lack of a standardised carbine. The equipment has been unable to change with the evolution of the Army. The Army went from a traditional infantry force to a multifaceted organisation increasingly taking on urban assailants in a close quarter battle. Further, the Army revised its philosophy that earlier demanded the rifle to be able to incapacitate the target. Now, the Army adorns a stricter stance and seeks, per philosophy, an assault rifle capable of carrying out “shoot to kill” orders. Further, the existing infantry suffers losses when long-range, high-recoil rifles are used in tight spaces.

The AK-47, irrespective of the operator, has delivered in various environments, from deserts to high seas to the mountains. However, evolution is never-ending. And Kalashnikov released its next flagship rifle, the AK-203. It is slated to be a worldwide standard in the years to come.

More about AK-203

The Indian Army will receive a 300m range AK-203, although there are variants with a more excellent range. Even at such a long-range, the accuracy of the AK-203 is one of the best. It edges out the competition in the amount of Picatinny rails which allow a variety of add-ons such as sights. This standard mounting system lends greater modularity to the operators. It carries the reputable reliability that has been the hallmark of the Kalashnikov rifles like the AK-47 and the AK-74. It can perform in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius in temperature tests. This makes it perfect for the mountainous warfare the Indian Army engages in with Pakistan and China.

In the opposite environment, the rifle also sustains dust storms and other builds of sand in desert environments. The tests were meant to emulate a sandstorm that could not deter the rifle’s reliability and accuracy. This is a handy weapon for even the long desert terrain we share with Pakistan.

The rifle tests included an emulation of tropical rain where the rifle was loaded and then exposed to the long downpour that turned the sand into silt. This means that not only will the wetter and tropical operations benefit, but with the combined ability to resist sand and silt, it will be viable for coastal forces to use this as well.

Beyond extreme reliability, it will use the 7.62×39 mm carbine with a collapsible stock that will enable close-quarter battles. This one rifle will be able to adapt to various tasks that the Indian Army has been undertaking. The Indian Army will be the first recipient of the AK-203 outside Russia. Currently, it is under limited use by the Russian Special Forces.

Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100 percent indigenisation.
what a stupid farce
 

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They should just go for an AR 15 based platform in 5.56 for most troops, and keep the SIG 716 for troops in mountainous areas. There are dozens of good AR 15 manufacturers who are willing to set up shop here for large orders.

Otherwise, standardize Sig 716 as the service rifle, with 5.56 carbines only for drivers, tank crews etc.
 

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Why no HK 416 very robust gun than sign saeuer
Three reasons
  1. its not worth the value.
  2. Germans tend to have BS Terms and Conditions regarding the usage of its weapons (e.g. a historic policy of never sending weapons to conflict zones)
  3. Sig 716 is second to none in its own regard and more than a match to HK-417
 

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They should just go for an AR 15 based platform in 5.56 for most troops, and keep the SIG 716 for troops in mountainous areas. There are dozens of good AR 15 manufacturers who are willing to set up shop here for large orders.

Otherwise, standardize Sig 716 as the service rifle, with 5.56 carbines only for drivers, tank crews etc.
The Sig-716i variant used by IA features a direct impingement gas system instead of short-stroke push rod gas system. Sig-716i is based on AR-15 platform by uses 7.62mm rounds.
 

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They should just go for an AR 15 based platform in 5.56 for most troops, and keep the SIG 716 for troops in mountainous areas. There are dozens of good AR 15 manufacturers who are willing to set up shop here for large orders.

Otherwise, standardize Sig 716 as the service rifle, with 5.56 carbines only for drivers, tank crews etc.
Bruh, logical thinking is the Navy's exclusive purview.
How can you even think IA will do something common sensical
 

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