Naval LCA Tejas

[another_armchair]

We aren't sure of anything

We had apparently achieved self sufficiency in building a nuke powered carrier during the 90's at least in theory and with simulation models.

A lot of shit keeps going on in those DAE facilities.

INS Vishal - Wikipedia

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In April 2021, Hindustan Times reported that with the Indian Navy, deciding to give preference to nuclear powered and conventional submarines in future sea-warfare, will now see the third aircraft carrier, INS Vishal as a replacement for the serving INS Vikramaditya.[30]

 

[Starlight]

Ok newbie. I have been long before I even moved to Canada. So get your horses straight.

Are you ex military?

 

[Starlight]

Ok newbie. I have been long before I even moved to Canada. So get your horses straight.

Hi, tell me your back ground, are you a defence analyst? Because we have a lot of those going abroad.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Hi, tell me your back ground, are you a defence analyst? Because we have a lot of those going abroad.

I am ignoring this question and I am not responding to some anonymous person over the internet over my profession/background even if I don't work in defence sector. Kindly mind your own business.

 

[FalconZero]

One novice took a better click of NLCA than many countless babuworks. Seriously, HAL and the Armed forces should get some kids from any random college and let them do their thing and they can produce much better videos than they could have ever dreamt of.

 

[Bleh]

Xposting from BRF..


http://www.aeromag.in/Magazines/1485945166.pdf
NP-5 is in the final stages of build and is expected to fly in March 2022.

 

[Bleh]

Repainted & undergoing tests...

 

[MonaLazy]

24 carat naval aviation gold


TMH is regularly hitting the ball out of the park. Great video from a legendary TP. Also talks about unobtanium and brochuritis. He actually calls it unobtanium!

Also why naval and airforce programs are best kept separate. Fanboys promoting ORCA or Super Hornets for AF in the interest of commonality and cost savings will be disappointed. Also listed the shortcomings in a navalised AF LCA.

 

[FalconSlayers]

24 carat naval aviation gold


TMH is regularly hitting the ball out of the park. Great video from a legendary TP. Also talks about unobtanium and brochuritis. He actually calls it unobtanium!

Also why naval and airforce programs are best kept separate. Fanboys promoting ORCA or Super Hornets for AF in the interest of commonality and cost savings will be disappointed. Also listed the shortcomings in a navalised AF LCA.

I’m a bit sad he only has less than 30k subscribers, looks like you need to be a sensational dephens exfart to be a big youtuber.

 

[indiatester]

24 carat naval aviation gold


TMH is regularly hitting the ball out of the park. Great video from a legendary TP. Also talks about unobtanium and brochuritis. He actually calls it unobtanium!

Also why naval and airforce programs are best kept separate. Fanboys promoting ORCA or Super Hornets for AF in the interest of commonality and cost savings will be disappointed. Also listed the shortcomings in a navalised AF LCA.

I’m a bit sad he only has less than 30k subscribers, looks like you need to be a sensational dephens exfart to be a big youtuber.

Support him financially. He appreciates small donations too.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

24 carat naval aviation gold


TMH is regularly hitting the ball out of the park. Great video from a legendary TP. Also talks about unobtanium and brochuritis. He actually calls it unobtanium!

Also why naval and airforce programs are best kept separate. Fanboys promoting ORCA or Super Hornets for AF in the interest of commonality and cost savings will be disappointed. Also listed the shortcomings in a navalised AF LCA.

True. Those asking the AF to buy the TEDBF after just replacing the undercarriage and landing gear with a lighter one for sure got their aerospace gyan from brochures. Remember that TEDBF has to be designed for SkiJump takeoff with full afterburner with the GE F414s as well as to be compact enough to fit in the Vikrant lift. One guy in the TEDBF page even wanted Internal Weapons bay for TEDBF or to be designed for a future updated with IWB.

 

[Lonewolf]

True. Those asking the AF to buy the TEDBF after just replacing the undercarriage and landing gear with a lighter one for sure got their aerospace gyan from brochures. Remember that TEDBF has to be designed for SkiJump takeoff with full afterburner with the GE F414s as well as to be compact enough to fit in the Vikrant lift. One guy in the TEDBF page even wanted Internal Weapons bay for TEDBF or to be designed for a future updated with IWB.

But seriously , af can take tedbf for operation from Maldives base and Andaman base instead of su 30 mki .

Without any changes

 

[Javelin_Sam]

But seriously , af can take tedbf for operation from Maldives base and Andaman base instead of su 30 mki .

Without any changes

Why will they? Su-30 mki offers unmatched range and payload capacity for land based operations for IAF. Why would IAF allot their capex for TEDBF that too 'overweight from an AirForce perspective' by some 700 kilograms due to the fighter being designed for carrier operations.
The speed with which DRDO has developed swift, autonomous take off-land and indigenious SATCOM, it is quite possible that the Ghatak will reach IOC before the TEDBF. Mating it with Brahmos-M will give IAF tremendous land-based Anti-Ship capability.

 

[Lonewolf]

Why will they? Su-30 mki offers unmatched range and payload capacity for land based operations for IAF. Why would IAF allot their capex for TEDBF that too 'overweight from an AirForce perspective' by some 700 kilograms due to the fighter being designed for carrier operations.
The speed with which DRDO has developed swift, autonomous take off-land and indigenious SATCOM, it is quite possible that the Ghatak will reach IOC before the TEDBF. Mating it with Brahmos-M will give IAF tremendous land-based Anti-Ship capability.

U know that Ghatak payload is mere 2 ton on all pylons and brahmos is 3 ton .

And usage of tedbf will be that It offers commonality , pilots can be trained to takeoff from ground , land on aircraft carrier for extended mission profile , su 30 can't achieve that .

Suppose vikrant present 1000 km from AnN with 24 tedbf , but require more airpower in that zone ,so some tedbf can takeoff from Andaman base and reach to on vikrant and refuelled for another sorty

 

[Javelin_Sam]

U know that Ghatak payload is mere 2 ton on all pylons and brahmos is 3 ton .

And usage of tedbf will be that It offers commonality , pilots can be trained to takeoff from ground , land on aircraft carrier for extended mission profile , su 30 can't achieve that .

Suppose vikrant present 1000 km from AnN with 24 tedbf , but require more airpower in that zone ,so some tedbf can takeoff from Andaman base and reach to on vikrant and refuelled for another sorty

The Brahmos M is less than 1.5 tonnes. The air breathing ramjet engine technology for the sfdr BVRAAM can be used to make even compact anti-ship missiles than Brahmos which is basically a coldwar era P-800 Oniks. Then CAABS Hunter ALCM can all be deployed from Ghatak.
The concept of commonality b/w AF and Naval requirement is not an important factor that forces consider. Thats the same reason why navy didn't press forward with N-LCA and TEDBF was born. (words from Test Pilot Jaideep Maolankar himself). Optimal platform is more important to them than commonality.

This statement of yours is contradictory."pilots can be trained to takeoff from ground , land on aircraft carrier for extended mission profile , su 30 can't achieve that". IAF pilots are not trained to land on Aircraft Carriers and Take off from that. It's the job of IN's Naval Aviators. The Navy pilots can do extended operations like you said. In TEDBF. Even if you give TEDBF to IAF in place of Su-30 to operate from land, they cannot land on ACs. They have to return to base itself. Su-30 can deploy longer and with a heavier payload for the same. Then why should IAF be bothered with TEDBF?

 

[Lonewolf]

The Brahmos M is less than 1.5 tonnes. The air breathing ramjet engine technology for the sfdr BVRAAM can be used to make even compact anti-ship missiles than Brahmos which is basically a coldwar era P-800 Oniks. Then CAABS Hunter ALCM can all be deployed from Ghatak.
The concept of commonality b/w AF and Naval requirement is not an important factor that forces consider. Thats the same reason why navy didn't press forward with N-LCA and TEDBF was born. (words from Test Pilot Jaideep Maolankar himself). Optimal platform is more important to them than commonality.

This statement of yours is contradictory."pilots can be trained to takeoff from ground , land on aircraft carrier for extended mission profile , su 30 can't achieve that". IAF pilots are not trained to land on Aircraft Carriers and Take off from that. It's the job of IN's Naval Aviators. The Navy pilots can do extended operations like you said. In TEDBF. Even if you give TEDBF to IAF in place of Su-30 to operate from land, they cannot land on ACs. They have to return to base itself. Su-30 can deploy longer and with a heavier payload for the same. Then why should IAF be bothered with TEDBF?

Why tf i wrote trained , common aviation arm for off shore deployment .

U just want to reply me .

 

[IndianHawk]

True. Those asking the AF to buy the TEDBF after just replacing the undercarriage and landing gear with a lighter one for sure got their aerospace gyan from brochures. Remember that TEDBF has to be designed for SkiJump takeoff with full afterburner with the GE F414s as well as to be compact enough to fit in the Vikrant lift. One guy in the TEDBF page even wanted Internal Weapons bay for TEDBF or to be designed for a future updated with IWB.

The fanboys didn't ask for orca . HAL proposed it to IAF . And it wasn't just removal of heavy undercarriage but a overall lighter Design for air superiority / multirole profile. Yet it had major commonality with tedbf. So it's still worth a concept for IAF to look into in case it doesn't get enough rafales.

 

[Javelin_Sam]

Why tf i wrote trained , common aviation arm for off shore deployment .

U just want to reply me .

You are again confused. From whose capex will be the fighter assets for this common offshore aviation arm be bought? IAF or IN? What merits of TEDBF does the planners use to convince IAF with TEDBF that Su-30 lack? Commonality? That won't bite. IAF will never spend their money on a detoned lighter- Naval Fighter. As for HAL offering ORCA, that is what any manufacturer will do. They want to sell maximum numbers with minimum effort. TEDBF will have to survive with orders from Navy. Since Maritime Command will be handling the IOR region, the Navy's TEDBF with CAPEX coming from IN's budget can relieve Su-30mkis based in Thanjavur and future in Andaman islands. That will only how large orders for TEDBF other than that required for 3 ACs can come.

IAF already has AMCA, GHATAK, CAATS, Tejas MK2 and Super Sukhoi programs lined up in the coming years. I don't have any hope that they will spend cash on a Naval jet

 

[Lonewolf]

You are again confused. From whose capex will be the fighter assets for this common offshore aviation arm be bought? IAF or IN? What merits of TEDBF does the planners use to convince IAF with TEDBF that Su-30 lack? Commonality? That won't bite. IAF will never spend their money on a detoned lighter- Naval Fighter. As for HAL offering ORCA, that is what any manufacturer will do. They want to sell maximum numbers with minimum effort. TEDBF will have to survive with orders from Navy. Since Maritime Command will be handling the IOR region, the Navy's TEDBF with CAPEX coming from IN's budget can relieve Su-30mkis based in Thanjavur and future in Andaman islands. That will only how large orders for TEDBF other than that required for 3 ACs can come.

IAF already has AMCA, GHATAK, CAATS, Tejas MK2 and Super Sukhoi programs lined up in the coming years. I don't have any hope that they will spend cash on a Naval jet

my comment is based on iaf willingness to indulge in operation from off shore base , if iaf chose to not go for that , then no need . i didnt said that they should buy , its more of a possible buy if they want

 

[Super Flanker]

Forgive me if this had been already answered in the past but for the last couple of days I had a very important question.
1)If Indian Navy theoretically deploys LCA Navy on ins Vikrant as it's Air wing than what sort of Armaments will it be able to carry?
Like what missiles and Weopons will it be able to carry?
Will it be able to carry all Weopons which the Normal LCA Tejas will be able to carry?