NAL Saras, Regional Transport Aircraft (RTA) & Hansa Project

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As per DProP 2018. India to build 80-100 aircraft within next 7 years which is by 2024-25.

So project RTA is very much alive and running.

@sayareakd. Plz, include RTA in thread's title. Thank you.
This must mean the Saras/NG, RTA will only just be ready by 2025, it won't count towards that 80-100 unit figure which seems rather ambitious anyway, assuming production commences in 2020, 20/year production rate starting from nothing seems implausible
 

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This must mean the Saras/NG, RTA will only just be ready by 2025, it won't count towards that 80-100 unit figure which seems rather ambitious anyway, assuming production commences in 2020, 20/year production rate starting from nothing seems implausible
Given the complexities, I will be happy to see the first prototype starts flying around 2022.
 

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there is going to be an explosion in demand of small aircraft in years to come. We must make saras operational (Make sure that it is not sabotaged) as early as possible and mass produce it. We must also work on 40 and 50 seaters as well. We must pump in the money to make our 100 seater aircraft a reality. TATA , Reliance and Mahindra must pump in more money and bring small aircraft in large numbers for transportation. If we delay this, we shall end up paying huge amount towards import of such aircraft.
 

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there is going to be an explosion in demand of small aircraft in years to come. We must make Saras operational (Make sure that it is not sabotaged) as early as possible and mass produce it. We must also work on 40 and 50 seaters as well. We must pump in the money to make our 100 seater aircraft a reality. TATA , Reliance and Mahindra must pump in more money and bring small aircraft in large numbers for transportation. If we delay this, we shall end up paying huge amount towards import of such aircraft.
 

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PSU only good for presentations and images. Nothing concrete coming out. These guys should be banned from making such presentations.:frusty:
Timeline sucks yeah.
Although, wings have been shifted at front part of fuselage. Finally, they got some senses.
 

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<hello friends, please tell me this thread is correct for my post below...if not kindly point me to right thread>
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NAL Saras: History: Newspaper clippings

1. Date: 29 May 2004
Newspaper: Unknown from India
Language: Marathi
Translation: (Title) Successful flight of 'desi' Saras

(image caption) completely indigenous Saras took a successful flight on Saturday

(Highlights of report) 20 minutes of flight;
take off from HAL airport- Bengaluru;
crew:- Sq. Ldr. K. K. Venugopal & W. Cmdr. Makhan;
NAL director BR Pai termed this a successful flight but refused to give technical details;
two Canadian "pratt and whitney" engines;
total weight= 5118 Kg; extra 900 Kg than expected;
altitude reached= 8000 ft.; speed reached= 150 km/h
14 seats capacity, 5 seats during test;
1232 Kg weight carrying capacity;
500 flight hours necessary before approval from DGCA;
2007 is the year for expected approval.

It is a sad state of affairs that even after so many years, these projects are still in development phase. To see that how optimistic the news seemed that day, only break your heart what actually happened in years after that.
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2. Date: 29 May 2004
Newspaper: Unknown from India
Language: Marathi
Translation: (Title) First successful flight of indigenous 'Saras'
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(please visit https://www.chetansindiaspaceflight.com/ for more aerospace stuff)
 

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Off topic........... but when will India unveil its own homegrown passenger jets for commercial purposes? :confused1:

China is already making progress in COMAC C919 and ARJ21.
 

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Surprisingly no update from AeroIndia2019 here. Guys anyone?
 

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Ok so it was there and PT1N flew. Any new prototypes in development?
 

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NAL plans design, development of 70-seater aircraft


BENGALURU: CSIR-National Aerospace Laboratories that is developing a 19-seater indigenous light transport aircraft 'Saras Mk2' has plans for a 70-seater aircraft, Union Science and Technology Minister Harsh Vardhan said on Monday.

"Today itself they have started talking to me to get the permissions from and meetings with civil aviation ministry for their future plan of the 70-seater. That is also very heartening to know," Harsh Vardhan said.

"Seventy-seater has always been in the long-term vision and since they have mentioned about this today we will have to bring the civil aviation ministry on board. We have to take the approval of the Prime Minister's office. Also, we will have to take scientists also on board, so as a science and technology minister I will facilitate them to move in the right direction," he said.

The Minister was speaking to reporters after laying the foundation for NAL's system check facility, aircraft integration facility, and the inauguration of smart aerospace composite manufacturing facility here.

NAL director Jitendra J Jadhav said since NAL has a fair amount of experience, it would start the design of 70-seater.

He said, "First, we will have to get in-principle approval from Ministry of Science and Technology, and Civil Aviation, also from Ministry of Finance, then we can finish design phase one-and-a-half year from that, which will be the preliminary design phase. Then we will submit it to the government, once the government sanctions, we will develop."

CSIR-NAL is currently engaged in the design, development and certification of Saras Mk2, a twin-engine turboprop 19-seater transport aircraft for connecting small cities.

Harsh Vardhan said everything was ready for the 19- seater, and the government has given all its support in terms of clearance and fund requirement to NAL.


Expressing happiness that NAL was ready with a better advanced model and specification for the 19-seater, he said, "This 19-seater will be a boon for the people of the country, specially for improving and strengthening the regional travel or connectivity. Now we are in a stage that in the next few years, this 19-seater will be available for improving and strengthening the regional connectivity," he added.

NAL officials said they have completed basic testing for pre-production standard.

Jadhav said the first production of the 19-seater aircraft is likely by around 2025.

"Four years for certification and and after that one-and-a-half year for production," he said.

The officer said they were looking at civilian market of about 100 aircraft, adding that the Indian Air Force has committed to induct 15 such aircraft initially, and they may need another 45.

He said the IAF version of Saras would be produced by HAL, and for civilian version also HAL may continue as production partner, but if demand is high, joint ventures may be worked out with private companies.

The cost of the aircraft is likely to be at about Rs 45 crore and it was low compared to foreign aircraft may cost over Rs 70 crore.

Regarding the two-seater Hansa-Next Generation aircraft, the production would start by 2022-23.

Once the project starts its commercial operations, it would ease the availability of indigenous aircraft for pilot training to obtain private pilot and commercial pilot licenses, officials said.

Regarding the cost of Hansa, Jadhav said NAL was looking for two versions, one basic and another deluxe.

"Basic will be around Rs 1 crore, deluxe will cost about Rs 1.25 crore. For Hansa, flying clubs from across the country are potential customers, he said, adding that there may be requirement of over 200 aircraft as flying clubs are increasing.

NAL had last year inked a pact with Delhi-based Mesco Aerospace Ltd for the design, development, production and marketing of the Hansa-Next Generation aircraft.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...f-70-seater-aircraft/articleshow/71153821.cms
 

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NAL plans design, development of 70-seater aircraft


BENGALURU: CSIR-National Aerospace Laboratories that is developing a 19-seater indigenous light transport aircraft 'Saras Mk2' has plans for a 70-seater aircraft, Union Science and Technology Minister Harsh Vardhan said on Monday.

"Today itself they have started talking to me to get the permissions from and meetings with civil aviation ministry for their future plan of the 70-seater. That is also very heartening to know," Harsh Vardhan said.

"Seventy-seater has always been in the long-term vision and since they have mentioned about this today we will have to bring the civil aviation ministry on board. We have to take the approval of the Prime Minister's office. Also, we will have to take scientists also on board, so as a science and technology minister I will facilitate them to move in the right direction," he said.

The Minister was speaking to reporters after laying the foundation for NAL's system check facility, aircraft integration facility, and the inauguration of smart aerospace composite manufacturing facility here.

NAL director Jitendra J Jadhav said since NAL has a fair amount of experience, it would start the design of 70-seater.

He said, "First, we will have to get in-principle approval from Ministry of Science and Technology, and Civil Aviation, also from Ministry of Finance, then we can finish design phase one-and-a-half year from that, which will be the preliminary design phase. Then we will submit it to the government, once the government sanctions, we will develop."

CSIR-NAL is currently engaged in the design, development and certification of Saras Mk2, a twin-engine turboprop 19-seater transport aircraft for connecting small cities.

Harsh Vardhan said everything was ready for the 19- seater, and the government has given all its support in terms of clearance and fund requirement to NAL.


Expressing happiness that NAL was ready with a better advanced model and specification for the 19-seater, he said, "This 19-seater will be a boon for the people of the country, specially for improving and strengthening the regional travel or connectivity. Now we are in a stage that in the next few years, this 19-seater will be available for improving and strengthening the regional connectivity," he added.

NAL officials said they have completed basic testing for pre-production standard.

Jadhav said the first production of the 19-seater aircraft is likely by around 2025.

"Four years for certification and and after that one-and-a-half year for production," he said.

The officer said they were looking at civilian market of about 100 aircraft, adding that the Indian Air Force has committed to induct 15 such aircraft initially, and they may need another 45.

He said the IAF version of Saras would be produced by HAL, and for civilian version also HAL may continue as production partner, but if demand is high, joint ventures may be worked out with private companies.

The cost of the aircraft is likely to be at about Rs 45 crore and it was low compared to foreign aircraft may cost over Rs 70 crore.

Regarding the two-seater Hansa-Next Generation aircraft, the production would start by 2022-23.

Once the project starts its commercial operations, it would ease the availability of indigenous aircraft for pilot training to obtain private pilot and commercial pilot licenses, officials said.

Regarding the cost of Hansa, Jadhav said NAL was looking for two versions, one basic and another deluxe.

"Basic will be around Rs 1 crore, deluxe will cost about Rs 1.25 crore. For Hansa, flying clubs from across the country are potential customers, he said, adding that there may be requirement of over 200 aircraft as flying clubs are increasing.

NAL had last year inked a pact with Delhi-based Mesco Aerospace Ltd for the design, development, production and marketing of the Hansa-Next Generation aircraft.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...f-70-seater-aircraft/articleshow/71153821.cms
And HAL is trying to close it.
I just don't understand why we have two different public entities? Second if NAL is concerned only about civilian transport, why HAL is forcing its way into it?
 

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And HAL is trying to close it.
I just don't understand why we have two different public entities? Second if NAL is concerned only about civilian transport, why HAL is forcing its way into it?
Ever came across the term office politics?
 

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And HAL is trying to close it.
I just don't understand why we have two different public entities? Second if NAL is concerned only about civilian transport, why HAL is forcing its way into it?
HAL is trying to close it cz its in talks with Ilyushin to produce similar aircraft , rather assemble
 

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Ever came across the term office politics?
This is not politics. This is called wastage of resource.

Although competition is good and by the step of incursion, HAL could create some pressure on NAL to perform and stay relevant. But overall the competition is still not fair taking into account that HAL is getting support from ADA unlike NAL.
 

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