Multi Role Helicopters (MRH) to be inducted into Indian Navy

[Rikbo88]

@Casper - please see my other posts earlier on in this thread (page 4 to start). Also, please reference the following:
S-70B
This Sikorsky site has good info on the 70B, 60R, & 60S.

 

[Dhairya Yadav]

when is the deadline of MRH?

 

[Rikbo88]

Come and gone several times. Now in limbo until India completes its investigation of corruption in the VIP helicopter program, which involves companies bidding on the MRH program. Follow the previous posts in this thread.

 

[Meriv90]

The partial lift of the ban on Finmeccanica means that the program must advance and since NH-90 isn't the only offer the S70B is going to win without even a confrontation.

 

[Rikbo88]

@Meriv90 - that would be nice but given this programs history I just don't see it progressing that simply. The new Govt. does seem to understand the urgency. Let's see if they can act.

 

[p2prada]

@Meriv90 - that would be nice but given this programs history I just don't see it progressing that simply. The new Govt. does seem to understand the urgency. Let's see if they can act.

The helicopter tenders have become a joke now. We don't know if this tender will be canceled or not. We need 300-400 helicopters by the end of the next decade, but CBI and the courts won't be bothered by such things. They are going to handle things their way. But I have some hopes with the new govt.

I'm looking forward to the launch of a new tender with 123 helicopters. At least this one will be kept clean, hopefully.

Anyway can you tell us what requirements were "not met" by Sikorsky, as alleged by NH, if you can?

 

[p2prada]

it is funny to see how much Rafale deal/Kolkata destroyer get attention while this topic has only 12 pages, even if it is as much as important as the other two topics if not even more.
India Needs New Maritime/ASW Helicopters


Finally the charges on Finmeccanica were dropped by lack of evidence in italy, I hope this will make your deal faster. I'm curios to know why aren't you evaluating the aw159 wildcat too?

These deals are much more important than what the article has conveyed. The IN wants a 200-ship navy by 2030. We are at less than 100 today. The helicopter requirements are actually more than 400 by then.

That's one reason why the competitors are playing dirty since winning this small tender would give a huge advantage to all the follow-on tenders that the navy will launch from now until 2030.

Just so you know, this 16 helicopter tender has a follow-on for another 44 helicopters. The same year as this tender was signed, the navy was supposed to launch a new tender for 75 more helicopters with unknown but high number of options. Last year a new RFI was launched for 123 more helicopters, with possible options for 60+ helicopters. So, you see how important this small deal for 16 helicopters really is.

HAL also plans to work on similar helicopters, and they are hunting for a new partner. A joint project with HAL will open up new requirements for hundreds of helicopters more for the IAF and IA. Total medium helicopter requirements could easily cross 1000 or even 1500 between the three services.

 

[Meriv90]

These deals are much more important than what the article has conveyed. The IN wants a 200-ship navy by 2030. We are at less than 100 today. The helicopter requirements are actually more than 400 by then.

That's one reason why the competitors are playing dirty since winning this small tender would give a huge advantage to all the follow-on tenders that the navy will launch from now until 2030.

Just so you know, this 16 helicopter tender has a follow-on for another 44 helicopters. The same year as this tender was signed, the navy was supposed to launch a new tender for 75 more helicopters with unknown but high number of options. Last year a new RFI was launched for 123 more helicopters, with possible options for 60+ helicopters. So, you see how important this small deal for 16 helicopters really is.

HAL also plans to work on similar helicopters, and they are hunting for a new partner. A joint project with HAL will open up new requirements for hundreds of helicopters more for the IAF and IA. Total medium helicopter requirements could easily cross 1000 or even 1500 between the three services.

I knew it was the biggest heli tender in history(I read about it somewhere but I can't remember)
For this reason it gives me just a ton of frustration, I'm not angry against italian prosecutors because they are law-abiding but I still need to find another country that trials their company for international corruption, even more when the other goverment is (lets not detour, I'm writing italian point of view) illegally detaining two of your marines and it keeps delaying the process!

 

[Rikbo88]

@p2prada - unfortunately I cannot. I was part of the team that hosted the Indian delegation several years back when they visited Sikorsky to evaluate the S70B. I am unaware of any requirements we failed to meet. We even did a few unplanned and unusual demos of capabilities that impressed the Indian Navy pilots and evaluators. In addition, the IN flew with an active S-70B squadron of the Turkish Navy to demonstrate various aspects of 70B aircraft and mission systems with actual delivered aircraft. Again, the IN was satisfied with what they saw and Turkish Navy had high praise for the aircraft. There are some articles out on the WEB that allude to what requirements the S70B failed to meet but I think NH Industries knows they cannot compete on price or product deliver ability/reliability and are simply grasping at straws trying to either delay or have the program canceled altogether so they can rebid. It is my hope the Indian Navy sees through this tactic and proceeds with the down select.

 

[p2prada]

@p2prada It is my hope the Indian Navy sees through this tactic and proceeds with the down select.

MoD will make this decision. The navy won't be fooled by such antics. If anything has to go wrong it will happen because of MoD.

I knew it was the biggest heli tender in history(I read about it somewhere but I can't remember)

I think you are confusing the MRCA tender with the heli tender. The heli tender is for 16 helicopters, I'm sure there are larger tenders around. The MRCA tender is the biggest international tender since the Cold War.

If you talk about potential, then yes. The Indian market will be the biggest around for the foreseeable future.

 

[wild goose]

I knew it was the biggest heli tender in history(I read about it somewhere but I can't remember)
For this reason it gives me just a ton of frustration, I'm not angry against italian prosecutors because they are law-abiding but I still need to find another country that trials their company for international corruption, even more when the other goverment is (lets not detour, I'm writing italian point of view) illegally detaining two of your marines and it keeps delaying the process!

Those marines killed two of our citizens inside our territorial waters. You still need to find another country that doesn't detain your marines.

 

[Punya Pratap]

p2prada what's your opinion about Russian proposal to setup a joint production line of Kamov helos.... as far as their range goes they make everything IN needs be it ASW or SAR

 

[p2prada]

p2prada what's your opinion about Russian proposal to setup a joint production line of Kamov helos.... as far as their range goes they make everything IN needs be it ASW or SAR

A tender route is better for current gen helicopters. Sikorsky is the best for specialized missions. The Russians are the best when it comes to regular missions because their stuff is cheaper.

Kamov would be helpful in developing new generation helicopters with HAL, in case they win the VVS competition to develop a helicopter that manages speeds of over 500 Kmph.

Let's see what IN does.

 

[Punya Pratap]

A tender route is better for current gen helicopters. Sikorsky is the best for specialized missions. The Russians are the best when it comes to regular missions because their stuff is cheaper.

Kamov would be helpful in developing new generation helicopters with HAL, in case they win the VVS competition to develop a helicopter that manages speeds of over 500 Kmph.

Let's see what IN does.

Agreed coz your post makes sense. ... nice to see that there are issues where we're in agreement

 

[Punya Pratap]

Agreed coz your post makes sense. ... nice to see that there are issues where we're in agreement

Err... doesnt TASL have a JV with Sikorsky and is manufacturing entire S92 cabins?

 

[Rushil51]

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/505299566724251648

@livefist:- BREAKING: Finally, Indian MoD to open bids in Indian Navy's Multirole Helicopter (MRH) fight between NH90 & S-70B.

 

[Zebra]

S-70B please.

:hippo:

 

[Rikbo88]

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/505299566724251648

@livefist:- BREAKING: Finally, Indian MoD to open bids in Indian Navy's Multirole Helicopter (MRH) fight between NH90 & S-70B.

Any time frame mentioned? I don't see anything in the article and I am not on twitter.

 

[Rushil51]

Any time frame mentioned? I don't see anything in the article and I am not on twitter.

No time frame mentioned. Tender has been cleared though.

 

[pmaitra]

Those marines killed two of our citizens inside our territorial waters. You still need to find another country that doesn't detain your marines.

I think @Meriv90 made it clear that he was stating from the Italian PoV. Let's stick to helicopters please.