MRCA news and dicussions Part III

[tarunraju]

If we look at our geo-political situation, if we have the Eurofighter, China and Pakistan have no answer for it and the good news is, a lot of other European customers are operating it and the plane has a clear tranche upgrade path for the present and future. Also awarding the Mirage 2000 contract and the Scorpene deal is enough for the French and we have an opportunity to get in the good books of alot of other European nations if we get the Eurofighter and it can have a huge political advantage and technology transfer advantage.

And that's where the problem is. The EU is way too judgmental about world-affairs even if it's neutral. Tomorrow our adversaries can mislead our handing the situation in Kashmir or the North East to the EU, which could even block the sales in the worst case scenario (like it (European countries) did to China after Tienanmen Square massacre).

France, Russia, or even Sweden, are more business minded. They won't care as long as they're paid well, and we're in trade relations.

 

[StealthSniper]

And that's where the problem is. The EU is way too judgmental about world-affairs even if it's neutral. Tomorrow our adversaries can mislead our handing the situation in Kashmir or the North East to the EU, which could even block the sales in the worst case scenario (like it (European countries) did to China after Tienanmen Square massacre).

France, Russia, or even Sweden, are more business minded. They won't care as long as they're paid well, and we're in trade relations.

I think if we buy from any country, we may have a risk of sanctions (except for Russia). Also Sweden doesn't really offer India much when it comes to political leverage, and France (even though they offer us good products) are always involved in some type of corruption or bribery case. If India was afraid of sanctions, half of the competitors wouldn't be in the running and I think we have to take some risk to obtain high technology items. But I don't believe getting the Eurofighter is any riskier than getting a F-18 or Gripen (US components in plane).

 

[Crusader53]

If we look at our geo-political situation, if we have the Eurofighter, China and Pakistan have no answer for it and the good news is, a lot of other European customers are operating it and the plane has a clear tranche upgrade path for the present and future. Also awarding the Mirage 2000 contract and the Scorpene deal is enough for the French and we have an opportunity to get in the good books of alot of other European nations if we get the Eurofighter and it can have a huge political advantage and technology transfer advantage.

China will have an answer to the Typhoon. Its called the J-XX.........:angry_6:

 

[StealthSniper]

China will have an answer to the Typhoon. Its called the J-XX.........:angry_6:

And you think we won't? Maybe you should get out more and see that we will be inducting FGFA and later on MCA to take care of the inferior, copied J-XX.

The Eurofighter will be enough or on par with the F-16 and JF-17 in Pakistan and the J-10 and other J equivalents in China. Just thinking of having 126 Eurofighter would scare the crap out of other countries, and hopefully deter other countries from playing silly games and/or creating terrorism in our country.

 

[EagleOne]

MMRCA Lobbing : Mike Mullen, Holbrooke on way to India

It is set to be a week of India-US diplomacy as the US' topmost military commander, Admiral Mike Mullen, and Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke come here for talks with Indian officials ahead of US President Barack Obama's visit to New Delhi in November. Holbrooke, Obama's special representative for Holbrooke's visit comes close on the heels of the discussions between External Affairs Minister SM Krishna and US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in Kabul on Tuesday.
Holbrooke is likely to meet Krishna, Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao and senior officials in the external affairs ministry.

The two sides are likely to review the situation in Afghanistan following Tuesday's Kabul conference that focused on handing over security of the country to Afghan forces by 2014.

The recent foreign-minister level discussions between India and Pakistan, which also figured in talks between Clinton and Krishna, will come up for detailed discussions.

The talks between Krishna and Qureshi on July 15 deadlocked on issues of terror and Jammu and Kashmir, without any visible roadmap for dialogue.

In view of the July 2011 deadline for beginning phased withdrawal of US forces from Afghanistan, the US is keen that India and Pakistan continue their dialogue as it will deprive Islamabad of an excuse not to concentrate on targeting the insurgents' sanctuaries inside its territory.

Mullen is likely to meet Defence Minister A.K. Antony and National Security Adviser Shivshankar Menon.

Mullen's visit comes at a time when both sides are looking at expanding defence cooperation across a swathe of areas.

The visit also coincides with intensified lobbying for the $10 billion contract for 126 fighters for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Afghanistan and Pakistan, flies in here from Kabul on Wednesday. Mullen, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS), arrives here on Thursday to discuss expanded defence cooperation between the two countries.
http://idrw.org/?p=2573

 

[luckyy]

DRDO is under US sanction......

how could a fighter aircraft ( f-16/18) can fly in india without the involvment of DRDO...

but excepting this to be changed in coming obamas visit ......
according to this source :http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4709607&c=POL&s=TOP

but even after obama visit if they won't left senctions on DRDO ?.......

 

[SHASH2K2]

but even after obama visit if they won't left senctions on DRDO ?.......

Then it will be a blessing in disguise as we will be able to buy better and cheaper planes. do you think USA will not lift the sanction if it affect MRCA planes sell. Its very small hurdle that can be overcome within a day.

 

[luckyy]

Then it will be a blessing in disguise as we will be able to buy better and cheaper planes. do you think USA will not lift the sanction if it affect MRCA planes sell. Its very small hurdle that can be overcome within a day.

putting senctions on DRDO/ISRO and selling fighter aircrafts to india are two different thing...

DRDO/ISRO still under senctions dispite the nuke deal because US wants to restrict india accuring latest technology in defence areas...

Selling fighter aircraft to india means a US panetrating deep inside IAF and proxy controling 1/3 of IAF though various agreements.....for this they can even gift IAF these 126 aircrafts , don't forget US has distributed aound thousends of f-16 all over world as miliraty aid...

the CEO of SAAB Gripen had rightly said that 10bn$ is too small a amount for US to be serious about ....

mmrca called " the mother of all deals" not because of the 10bn$ ...

 

[EagleOne]

Gripen NG waits for India

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/gripen-ng-matures-and-waits-for-india-25411/

 

[neo29]

US does not offer research development for the planes unlike EADS. Probably because of the sanctions on DRDO. Clear indictions that they are in no mood to life sanctions for now. But they are sure desperate to sell fighters to India and will use every trick in the book to bend India to purchase US fighters. Lets hope our establishment make decision not under pressure but interests of the nation.

 

[youngindian]

Lockheed Martin F-16 Ready For Future As The World's Most Advanced 4th Gen Fighter


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...advanced-4th-generation-fighter-98828274.html

 

[youngindian]

India's HAL in Lockheed Martin's Aerial Refueling development team to extend F-16 range: Farnborough Air Show news

http://www.defenseworld.net/go/defe...16%20range:%20Farnborough%20Air%20Show%20news

 

[p2prada]

putting senctions on DRDO/ISRO and selling fighter aircrafts to india are two different thing...

DRDO/ISRO still under senctions dispite the nuke deal because US wants to restrict india accuring latest technology in defence areas...

Selling fighter aircraft to india means a US panetrating deep inside IAF and proxy controling 1/3 of IAF though various agreements.....for this they can even gift IAF these 126 aircrafts , don't forget US has distributed aound thousends of f-16 all over world as miliraty aid...

the CEO of SAAB Gripen had rightly said that 10bn$ is too small a amount for US to be serious about ....

mmrca called " the mother of all deals" not because of the 10bn$ ...

Conspiracy apart. The US is aiming for the MRCA deal to get into the Indian market. Out of all the countries the US sells to, they have never had a client state with the needs that matches theirs in size and capability. Our industry is still nascent, so they will try to sell us as much as possible for more monies until we are able to make major systems on our own. Russia always sold to India and China and have given away better technologies than what's available to smaller client states, the US will try to do the same with us.

 

[youngindian]

Super Hornet mods added to export list

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/super-hornet-mods-added-to-export-list-25567/

 

[Crusader53]

Super Hornet mods added to export list

http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/super-hornet-mods-added-to-export-list-25567/

A major advantage of the Super Hornet. Is the US Goverment will continue upgrades well into the future. While, Europe and Russia can hardly afford to purchase new fighters. Let alone upgrade existing one.........For example how many years did in take to get an AESA Radar* for the EuroCanards???

As a matter of fact France took a decade just to upgrade its engine (M-88E). While, the EuroFighter Program has yet to find the needed funds to do the same!

BTW Russia took years to upgrade the Su-35. Which, as of yet has failed to win an export order!

So, if a Russian or European Aerospace Company would win the MMRCA. Who would fund future upgrades...................simple India would!!!!

 

[EagleOne]

IAF evaluation report on multi-role aircraft soon: Report

The IAF is set to come out "within the next few days" with the results of the flight tests of six warplanes competing for a multi-billion dollar deal for 126 multi-role combat aircraft, a media report said today.

The evaluation report is for the purchase of 126 fighter jet planes with the option for 63 more, and possibly additional follow-on orders. The entire deal is estimated to be worth more than 10 billion US dollars.




The IAF is set to come out with the report "within the next few days," aviation journal Shownews said quoting a Russian news report.

The six firms bidding for the contract are Saab (Gripen E/F), Dassault (Refale), Boeing (F/A-18 E/F), Lockheed Martin (F-16 E/F), EADS (Eurofighter) and RSK-MiG (MiG-35).

The Defence Ministry is likely to shortlist three or four of the six aircraft by December this year or January next.

"The final decision on the specific aircraft to be purchased will be political in nature " the report said.

It also claimed that if the Russian MiG is kept out of the final phase, "there might be a decision to buy 50-60 of them outside the tender process."

India is going in for the MRCA to replace its ageing MiG fleet of Russian origin. At present, the number of IAF squadrons are down to below 35 and the Air Force has been pressing the government for a quicker decision on inducting the warplanes.

 

[Rage]

"The final decision on the specific aircraft to be purchased will be political in nature " the report said.

It also claimed that if the Russian MiG is kept out of the final phase, "there might be a decision to buy 50-60 of them outside the tender process."

India is going in for the MRCA to replace its ageing MiG fleet of Russian origin. At present, the number of IAF squadrons are down to below 35 and the Air Force has been pressing the government for a quicker decision on inducting the warplanes.

This just killed it for me.

It seems like the fighter will be 'American'. For already, feelers are being thrown out for a possible consolation for Russia for "50-60 Mig-35s".

If it comes down to that, I'd rather see the F-16 C/D. From what I'm hearing, the Hornet has had terrible maintenance problems, with switching valves and hydraulic system migration issues and the extra weight and agility not exactly paying off at higher speeds. The only edge the F/A-18 might have is in terms of range, and we have deep strike aircraft already.

All in all, I'm disappointed. I hope to the good Lord I'm jumping the gun. And that by 'political', they don't necessarily mean American (I'm starting to think French might fit as well).

 

[Neil]

"The final decision on the specific aircraft to be purchased will be political in nature " the report said.

It also claimed that if the Russian MiG is kept out of the final phase, "there might be a decision to buy 50-60 of them outside the tender process."

India is going in for the MRCA to replace its ageing MiG fleet of Russian origin. At present, the number of IAF squadrons are down to below 35 and the Air Force has been pressing the government for a quicker decision on inducting the warplanes.

why dont they divide it into 3 parts-some to americans .russians ,french.....all will be happy...won't they....??!!
who cares if India is....??

 

[pankaj nema]

If we have to please the russians then MIG 29 SMT is perfect . at present it is only 35 million dollar per plane.
The russian engine supply problem to chinese JF 17 is also solved.

ALL mig 21 should be replaced by Mig 29.

 

[EagleOne]

This just killed it for me.

It seems like the fighter will be 'American'. For already, feelers are being thrown out for a possible consolation for Russia for "50-60 Mig-35s".

If it comes down to that, I'd rather see the F-16 C/D. From what I'm hearing, the Hornet has had terrible maintenance problems, with switching valves and hydraulic system migration issues and the extra weight and agility not exactly paying off at higher speeds. The only edge the F/A-18 might have is in terms of range, and we have deep strike aircraft already.

All in all, I'm disappointed. I hope to the good Lord I'm jumping the gun. And that by 'political', they don't necessarily mean American (I'm starting to think French might fit as well).

may be but we should also remember we have already maany deals with america like p-8i,c-130s etc and another $5 billion will be signed in november and officals of GOI at all levels are not happy with the pacts of agreements:article about the news
so we can expect some thing other then US and russian aircrafts
(we should remember defence minstry rejected US offer of buying f-18 or f-16 directly though FMS at the time of issuing RTP)