MQ9 Predator Acquisition from U.S, News Updates and Discussions

[johnj]

Russian never saw India more than a colony and always saw India with a contempt, history never lies.

But India had no other choice but to follow Russian lead in tech. Although hard earned many critical technologies has Russian origin although not by Russian goodwill but their own necessities.

India can squeeze Russia now but Russians wont provide us their crown jewels now(Turbo Fans)

Now russian capabilities are fcked up and cant do more than being chinese Natasha ready to offer ass.

Worry about west which has much better capabilities and more malaise towards India

Russia is not USSR, they sell soviet tech to anyone who pays them, similar to Ukraine

 

[johnj]

I'll give you one classic example from recent times. The Igla scandal and the sheer dumbfuckery that is the VSHORADS procurement.

You can add K30 also, at least these two gone user trail before selection, unlike P8i, plus IN minesweeper deal etc - In simple when India buys a weapon lots of factor comes under consideration like jobs, politics, cost, fast conclusion, bribe, trust, tech, foreign relations etc - Igla can bring fast signing of the deal, jobs, less cost etc like ak103. ''dumbfuckery'' is very normal/common thing for GoI - simply look into scropene torpedo deal, HSL tanker/ support ship, SSK, minesweepers deal, current talwar deal, and the list goes on

 

[johnj]

There is a small difference. US and India’s people to people and business to business contacts are much much higher than in Russia. Just think - Indian Americans versus Indian Russians? Really no choice for Russia but to fold. They cannot compete with the US when tech like jet engines, semi con are signed off. Tough for Russians. There has been no response from them. India probably will have to appease the Russians by ordering some more nuke plants and weapons where US joint operability is not needed.

The problem is most of Indian Americans hate India and Indian Russians not
Russia already controls most of Indian OFB and DPSU something US can dream off
Russia already a major power in jet engine tech transfer & In the case of semiconductor - I don't think US consider free aid worth of 25 Billion $ to India, means US only want to create India a colony to monopolies US build semiconductor and take full control of Indian Software Industry which eventually cripple Chinese in future
India not just ordering reactor but tech also, means India can support Russian foreign nuke plants

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

The problem is most of Indian Americans hate India and Indian Russians not
Russia already controls most of Indian OFB and DPSU something US can dream off
Russia already a major power in jet engine tech transfer & In the case of semiconductor - I don't think US consider free aid worth of 25 Billion $ to India, means US only want to create India a colony to monopolies US build semiconductor and take full control of Indian Software Industry which eventually cripple Chinese in future
India not just ordering reactor but tech also, means India can support Russian foreign nuke plants

Array…kehna kya chahte ho?

 

[mist_consecutive]

Done. dusted.

Ahead of Predator drone deal announcement, here's what you should know about the man who played an instrumental role

Currently, talks are still on for the drone deal, with the two nations expecting to ink the deal for the acquisition of 31 Predator drones during PM Modi's maiden state visit to the US. The Predators, also called the MQ-9 Reaper, can fly up to 36 hours at a stretch and can be used for focused...

m.economictimes.com

The deal is yet to be signed !

I am yet to hear any news of the deal being "signed", only tidbits of how it will be assembled in India, or MRO facility with HAL, or Biden+Modi appreciating the armed drones deal.

And Modi already left USA ! I fear this will turn into another Rafale fiasco with tussle between HAL & General Atomics over manufacturing share, and at last with negotiations falling out due to price increases and disagreements, we will be left at where we started.

 

[johnj]

You make absolutely no fucking sense. Are you drunk right now?

Which part make no sense ?? This is how normally things works - in US & Indian
FYI- what we need in semiconductor is - 10 to 50 billion$ investment, not foreign jobs
- simply look how IA/GoI/IAF/IN spending money for Russian tech, its crazy & stupid[not weapons] & majority of DPSU, OFB depends on Russian/soviet tech[we need to gets rid of all these asap]
- Most of Indians gone to UK, USA becz they dislike or hate GoI policies [excluding current IT sector] becz these countries filled with Indian haters, and they behaves like anti-Indians
- HAL already manufactured 1000s Russian/soviet Engines
- Indian Gov offers spare & support for Russian Reactors
If I'm US, I give some benefits to India [visa/investment in software] for importuning semiconductor [subsidized] in large nos into Indian market to counter Chines low cost ones, its helps to build/bring back US semiconductor Industry. US can help set up some assembling plant in India like Chinese did

 

[johnj]

Array…kehna kya chahte ho?

US always gets what they want, one way or another
Russia is not a friend nor a foe, but they ask huge prize for tech
US is not a friend, but mostly act like a foe, & do business with hidden agendas
US consider India a counter against China, like Pakistan against India, Ukraine against Russia, SauA against Iran, SK against NK, means India need to find alternatives for US, China & Russia in tech, market and business otherwise these 3 dominates Indian Foreign policies
Unlike UPA, who behave like dominated by US, current gov doing better deals with US [currently] unlike first term, but US can ditch good parts of this deal if Gov changes
American Indians - no one cares about them, only useful for celebratory/popularity/vote purposes, but if they behaves like anti-Indian, most of US give importance to them, side effect of Indian alliance with USSR.

If you consider mq9 deal, IAF not interested in a 100mil $ drone, & GoI, IN, IA not interested in un-armed version and current US gov unable to sell US weapons to India like previous ones, and 450mil$ aid for PAF f16 also caused issues, Modi's Gov took advantage of the situation and now getting armed version with make in India, modified old 2009 GE414 deal, now deal include GTRE, with input for Kaveri development. But these doesn't come close to Russian tot or friendship[mou], but offer value for money, the major reason GoI not asking Russian deep help in Kaveri due to issues with their engines tech. Russia leased one ssn and helping to build ssbn/ssn in HSL, which is main yard capable MRO of Kilo sub in Asia. HAL is capable MRO for Fighter jets including mig21, 23, 29, 27, Su30 etc. US is multiple decade away or never replace Russia or maybe China in Indian Defense and Economy respectively under current Indian/US conditions/policies.

 

[TopWatcher]

US always gets what they want, one way or another
Russia is not a friend nor a foe, but they ask huge prize for tech
US is not a friend, but mostly act like a foe, & do business with hidden agendas
US consider India a counter against China, like Pakistan against India, Ukraine against Russia, SauA against Iran, SK against NK, means India need to find alternatives for US, China & Russia in tech, market and business otherwise these 3 dominates Indian Foreign policies
Unlike UPA, who behave like dominated by US, current gov doing better deals with US [currently] unlike first term, but US can ditch good parts of this deal if Gov changes
American Indians - no one cares about them, only useful for celebratory/popularity/vote purposes, but if they behaves like anti-Indian, most of US give importance to them, side effect of Indian alliance with USSR.

If you consider mq9 deal, IAF not interested in a 100mil $ drone, & GoI, IN, IA not interested in un-armed version and current US gov unable to sell US weapons to India like previous ones, and 450mil$ aid for PAF f16 also caused issues, Modi's Gov took advantage of the situation and now getting armed version with make in India, modified old 2009 GE414 deal, now deal include GTRE, with input for Kaveri development. But these doesn't come close to Russian tot or friendship[mou], but offer value for money, the major reason GoI not asking Russian deep help in Kaveri due to issues with their engines tech. Russia leased one ssn and helping to build ssbn/ssn in HSL, which is main yard capable MRO of Kilo sub in Asia. HAL is capable MRO for Fighter jets including mig21, 23, 29, 27, Su30 etc. US is multiple decade away or never replace Russia or maybe China in Indian Defense and Economy respectively under current Indian/US conditions/policies.

Both party knew this and taking advantage of current situation. One line enough

 

[johnj]

Both party knew this and taking advantage of current situation. One line enough

Knew what ??
What current situation ??
If one line is enough, then there is no need for this thread or this web site , right ??

 

[here2where]

where exactly are we going to use these armed drones?
if it was only for surveillance by navy, why the 'armed' variant?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

where exactly are we going to use these armed drones?
if it was only for surveillance by navy, why the 'armed' variant?

I think the statement says sea guardians, those are naval ones only. They can be armed with LGBs I think, though major use will be with sonobuoy pods ( with 40 large ones or 80 smol)

 

[Indrajit]

where exactly are we going to use these armed drones?
if it was only for surveillance by navy, why the 'armed' variant?

Which is why not all of these will be armed. From what I read 15 are the SeaGuardian variant, 16 ( 8 each for the IA and IAF) are the SkyGuardian variant.

 

[johnj]

Which is why not all of these will be armed. From what I read 15 are the SeaGuardian variant, 16 ( 8 each for the IA and IAF) are the SkyGuardian variant.

The MQ-9B SkyGuardian is the world’s most versatile remotely piloted aircraft of its class in the air today – except when it’s equipped for missions over the ocean.
Then it’s just as essential, but known by a different name: the MQ-9B SeaGuardian.
It all starts with the MQ-9B SkyGuardian. That’s the newest and most capable member of an unmanned aircraft series built by San Diego-based General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. The members of this family have more than 6 million hours of operational use, much of it in combat. A highly sensitive electro-optical infrared sensor ball and GA-ASI’s Lynx multi-mission radar are built into the aircraft.
A SkyGuardian can fly “clean,” with only those sensors and its other stock onboard equipment, and remain airborne for more than a day. It also can take onboard a growing range of advanced payloads that enhance its ability to sense, communicate and execute other operations – including launching its own clutch of smaller unmanned aerial systems such as GA-ASI’s Sparrowhawk, which can take off and return mid-flight to the mothership SkyGuardian.
The payloads can include weapons too, from air-to-ground missiles and bombs to air-to-air missiles to electronic systems that can degrade an adversary’s anti-air systems.
Adding specialized payloads transforms the SkyGuardian into a SeaGuardian, ready for action over the ocean.
A SeaGuardian can use its onboard sensors to search the air and surface, but also carries a dedicated maritime surface search radar and equipment that lets it tune into the nautical Automatic Identification System, which ships use to broadcast details such as their names, types, origins, destinations and more.
If a ship turns off its AIS or authorities operating the SeaGuardian want to look closer at the vessel, the aircraft can read the name off its stern, assess what type of ship it truly is or in what configuration, and resolve other such details on its own.
The SeaGuardian also can search under the surface, too. Equipped with as many as 80 G-size sonobouys, the aircraft can initiate or join the hunt for hostile submarines along with conventional naval units such as vessels, shipboard helicopters or human-crewed patrol aircraft. GA-ASI’s aircraft have been proving out these capabilities in demonstrations including along with the U.S. Navy.
So a SeaGuardian is a SkyGuardian and vice versa – both variants of the MQ-9B, ready today to support military, security or other requirements anywhere they’re needed.

All are capable of carrying missiles or bombs.

 

[piKacHHu]

The deal is yet to be signed !

I am yet to hear any news of the deal being "signed", only tidbits of how it will be assembled in India, or MRO facility with HAL, or Biden+Modi appreciating the armed drones deal.

And Modi already left USA ! I fear this will turn into another Rafale fiasco with tussle between HAL & General Atomics over manufacturing share, and at last with negotiations falling out due to price increases and disagreements, we will be left at where we started.

Since it's a G2G deal with no prior invitation of tenders involved; this deal will sail through in near future. Though, it will go through myriad of bureaucratic procedures like CCS clearance, Pentagon FMS approval, US congress approval etc. In fact, it seems they have finalized Bharat Forge for providing MRO services to the MQ-9s in service.

Refer:

Joint Statement from the United States and India | The White House

1. President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. and Prime Minister Narendra Modi today affirmed a vision of the United States and India as among the closest

www.whitehouse.gov

https://www.financialexpress.com/business/defence-boost-to-localisation-ga-asi-bharat-forge-to-partner-mq9b-seaguardian-parts-manufacture-2936627/

 

[shade]

Which is why not all of these will be armed. From what I read 15 are the SeaGuardian variant, 16 ( 8 each for the IA and IAF) are the SkyGuardian variant.

Are there any T&C for the armed ones, like we can't use them against their favorite Muslim Nuclear poodle for example?

 

[TopWatcher]

Are there any T&C for the armed ones, like we can't use them against their favorite Muslim Nuclear poodle for example?

But i m sure these drones are not armed ones. Why US will give us? May be army wants use for surveillance at greater heights.

 

[Indrajit]

India negotiating 15-20% local content on MQ-9B drone

India is looking to push for 15-20 percent local content in the MQ-9B drone deal with General Atomics (GA), announced two days ago during the Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to US, top Defence sources privy to defence negotiations between the two countries revealed.

www.thehindubusinessline.com

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So first delivery in 2025?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So we will get some tot in these too?

 

[mist_consecutive]

How many will bet this MQ-9B deal will drag on indefinitely (at least 5+) years ?

The opposition will cry corruption, and DRDO will cry armed forces don't buy their Rustom UAV which is under development since last 30+ years, and MoD will try to haggle with USA like its Chandi Chowk flea market.