Modi & Xi will unofficial meet in Wuhan city, my home town!

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If that happens, India has also participated on OBOR, sending Pakistani in debt ridden shit hole. More revenue for Afghanistan and Iran. If India China jointly make projects in Afghanistan, the safety of Indians from terrorists attacks can be ensured as Pakistanis cannot piss off China.
Bleeding pakistan internally...is one step closer to reality.
pakis will sink with the massive stockpile of high maintenance pukes.
 

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interestingly...this visit between Indian leaders and chinese lead happened the same day when china with USA brokered the deal between NoKo and SoKo.

seems like leading Asian nations wants to send a message to USA that its an Asian problem and Asia can solve its problems.
Some very interesting diplomatic maneuvers
 

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Those very people want Indians to forget who colonized India for 200 years and f*ucked it of its resources for 200 years.

Do they think Indians suffer from memory loss and are too unintelligent to recall the true history of last 200 year
Just like Korea uniting...If China and India decide not be enemies...their game is over.
Be prepared to see all dirty tricks used in near future to create rift and rivalry between China and India.

Neocolonial, Neo-imperialists -have thrived by pitting nations against each other...Taiwan against China...Pakistan against India...South Korea against North Korea...

I'm sure that's exactly what was going through Nehru's mind right then.

Lots of people hate him for what consequences it brought upon India. I never could...

Prohumanity people have always had trouble seeing the world for what it is from atop their high horse.

A lot of cuckoo-cloud up there, blurring their vision...

Words like "vested interests", "rivalry", "backstabbing" seem almost artificial at that altitude.
 
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PM Modi is selfless, brave and very patriotic leader of India. Nothing can deter him from looking after India's interests and Indians overwhelmingly trust him. Yes, he is vegetarian and loves lentil soup and yogurt. No LOBSTERS for him pleas.
Two giant nations have to make a big choice...to peacefully coexist and trade across Himalayas and prosper
OR become enemies and risk being used/abused by other powers against each other.
PM Modi has been in politics for 4 decades..he very well understands global politics and hidden agendas of different nation. I am sure he will do what is best for India.
Rest assured...as long as PM Modi is leader of India...India will not become vassal of any one..West or China...He will have independent foreign policy and strategic autonomy.
Once someone asked Sadhguru what his opinion was about Modi. Sadhguru basically said that whether you like Modi or not, one thing you cannot dispute is that betterment of Indians is in his heart at all times. He further added without naming Congress but we all know who these leaders are that he had interacted with national level Indian leaders before and it was truly scary to note that betterment of Indians was never on their mind. We are truly blessed to have people like Sadhguru among us.

BJP won the election simply because average Indians saw it as a party which truly cared about them. BJP needs to maintain this image by weeding out cancers like Shatru Sinha. Shatru does not seem to know the difference between our North-East brothers and sisters and Chinese. This slime ball showed more respect for Pakistan, an enemy state than his fellow Indians form North-East.
 

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How are we going to reciprocate? We have nothing to offer to China in return except staying neutral in regional conflicts involving China like in the South China Sea etc. So none of your points you mentioned will ever be acceptable to the Chinese. It's totally one sided.
India's neutrality is conditional upon China meeting India's core interest. There are no ifs and buts about it. The list provided by Sanjeev is entirely reasonable. It is true that we cannot get China to agree on it overnight. However, we should be relentlessly pushing it to China.
 

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I'm sure that's exactly what was going through Nehru's mind right then.

Absolutely Not...Nehru was being controlled and directed by his colonial masters who advised him to ask Chinese leaders to hand over Tibet...when he told Indian army to capture a few posts in Tibet ...China reacted furiously and
came inside India ....Colonial masters stayed silent..nobody came to help poor, blue-eyed pseudo Brit ..Nehru
and you know how that war ended.... Divide and create conflict and conquer was the policy then..and the same is the policy now. Fake media is very powerful...in creating false stories.
 

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.Nehru was being controlled and directed by his colonial masters who advised him to ask Chinese leaders to hand over Tibet...when he told Indian army to capture a few posts in Tibet ...China reacted furiously and
came inside India ....
well im not sure where you got your info that india captured a few posts in tibet ....?? did he actually do it ? otherwise how did china know he was "planning" to do it ? they didnt have hacking in those days to obtain info ?? or did they assume ??

and if india did wander into tibet all china needed to do was to remove them and not enter into indian territory
but they did and are still hanging around on aksai indian territory improperly , illegally

if modi is using this time to build up indigenous indian military industry, then that is a smart move

if china wants long time peace , as a good gesture as someone above on another page set a few conditions ----i bring it down to one condition ....never mind nsg etc etc ,m we can handle all that ....just remove themselves from aksai and shagsam as a good gesture ,,,,,that's all

if that is not done ....THEN DONT TRUEST THEM !! ......is what i say ...even tibet truly is not theirs but we are overlooking that theft ...... if they cant hand over aksai and shagsam , then they are not sincere about friend ship with india

in such a case all we should do is no-war scenario but friendship should be out of the question !

jameson below has got it right ....sanjeevs list is the way to go , but i reduce it to just one ....just relinquish occupied indian territory and the door is open ....otherwise , put a guard at the door

addenda :- ...yes those conditions were from @SanjeevM .... the only other point is the trade balance ....if china doesnt meet us on aksai and shagsam , then i say we talk politiely to them but our action should be as flollows :-
1. trash out the one-china policy .....to hell with that ....let's openly talk to taiwan and co-operate with them on all tech including nuclear tech ...heck china gave pak niukes so we should do similar for taiwan ....throw mtcr out the window , give them missiles , sell weapons to taiwan at near cost
2. same for vietnam .....give huke tech ....throw nsg out the window ...we are past the threshold of developing our own tech .... sell viet missiles at near cost
3. give indian businessmen who are importing chinese products fixed amount of time to look for non-china alternatives .... especially low tech mobile phones .....cant we even assemble samsung products ? ....threaten china with trade balance .... after that time , licenses cancelled if they continue ....consumers may suffer a little alternative businessmen will use creativity to come up with alternatives .... a small price to pay for a message to be sent to china
4. if we dont do these things then they will play with us ....it is only because in doklam we actually literally kicked their butts that now they respect us , a little

5. we have to kick their butts economically otherwise it is a half-done job

India's neutrality is conditional upon China meeting India's core interest. There are no ifs and buts about it. The list provided by Sanjeev is entirely reasonable. It is true that we cannot get China to agree on it overnight. However, we should be relentlessly pushing it to China.
 
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Both leaders are talking of peace and common goals in international arenas. Let them pursue their goals. However we should not lower our guard.
1. Continue with mass production of defence items under Make in India,
2. continue with Tejas, missiles, space research,
3. continue investing in ATAFS, MBT, artillery.
4. Start with exports of military hardware to friendly countries for foreign exchange without China as the target(you don't need to express all your thoughts). Earning foreign exchange will finance futuristic weapon technologies.
5. Negotiate with China to reduce huge trade deficit. If negotiations can make the way and give solution, we don't need to adopt hard measures yet. Promoting thought of nationalism will itself make importers find alternatives.
6. Arming Taiwan and Vietnam with nuclear weapons will not be digested by international community. China may treat it as an act of war. We need to avoid. We should also appear to be neutral. Let's first focus on reducing trade deficit and come at equal trade with China. Grab a role in international politics.
7. Instead of buying foreign technology and hardware, work with those countries for joint research and development with patents jointly to be shared by participating countries. No country can single handedly produce any hardware. Why not shake hands for futuristic technologies today. If we are successful, we get patent rights as well and can manufacture at large scale. This includes engine technology.
8. Negotiate with China and convince them that if they want India to act neutral, China should also act neutral. Give up the bases it holds in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and other neighbors to appear to be neutral as well. If China wants dominance in SCS, China should let India also dominate IOR.
9. Most important, return Askai Chin to India as goodwill gesture.
10. help India capture POK. Help India break Pakistani. Separate Balauchistan and Sindh.
 

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Nehru was being controlled and directed by his colonial masters who advised him to ask Chinese leaders to hand over Tibet...when he told Indian army to capture a few posts in Tibet ...
:smash:
Whoa... That's some serious amount of propaganda poisoning. Where do you get your history lessons from? Wait.....

Are you a chink?
Is that what your politburo tells you happened India-asked-for-tibet-&-captured-a-few-posts?

Remember what you said:
Fake media is very powerful...in creating false stories.

It's epecially true in dictatorial regimes like China.
:playball:
 
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That would be Option 3.

Hope this charade is just a mere formality & Modi doesn't make that same mistake of actually-trusting-the-chinks...in that case the consequences could be really nostalgic, for both India & BJP. :yo:
The issue during 1962 was that Nehru declared friendship with China and then started the forward policy of aggressively patrolling disputed areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Sino-Indian_War#Forward_policy

Believe it or not, it was Nehru who betrayed China, instead of the other way round. It's just that China kicked our ass so we assume that China betrayed us. After China started pushing back, Nehru begged to Kennedy for of fighter jets, to which they remarked "the saint has been caught coming out of the whorehouse" (after all the non-alignment bullshit we preached others).

India in 1962 neither had the military capability, nor allies, nor the preparation to handle a Chinese escalation, and yet we picked a fight with them. India in 2018 has the military capability, strategically placed friends and the capacity to digest an escalation and we aren't picking fights with anyone. Modi is the PM of a much more mature and confident nation who is there to improve our economic prospects. It is a well thought out, calculated move unlike the rash, whimsical behavior of emperor Nehru. Where does the nostalgia come from?
 

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The issue during 1962 was that Nehru declared friendship with China and then started the forward policy of aggressively patrolling disputed areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_Sino-Indian_War#Forward_policy

Believe it or not, it was Nehru who betrayed China, instead of the other way round. It's just that China kicked our ass so we assume that China betrayed us. After China started pushing back, Nehru begged to Kennedy for of fighter jets, to which they remarked "the saint has been caught coming out of the whorehouse" (after all the non-alignment bullshit we preached others).

India in 1962 neither had the military capability, nor allies, nor the preparation to handle a Chinese escalation, and yet we picked a fight with them.
Declaration of friendship doesn't mean gifting the chinks all the disputed territories.

Not having military capability doesn't mean we roll over & let them take whatever they want either.

We still reserve the right to aggressive PATROLLING of those area....that those chink theives had already occupied while at were busy rebuilding our nation.

It was no proper escalation either, just asserting presence...Had it been, our men wouldn't have been outnumbered 8 to 1, when "our friends" invaded. Yes, Kargil was a "pushing back", not '62.
That was a pre-planned, two-front, full-scale invasion...& their drama before, was a part of it to lower our guard down.

Believe it or not, it was China who betrayed Nehru, instead of the other way round & right now they're probably trying it again.
Except we won't trust them this time, or expect that they'll stop funding our enemies & insurgents... hopefully.
 
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Declaration of friendship doesn't mean gifting the chinks all the disputed territories.

Not having military capability doesn't mean we roll over & let them take whatever they want either.

We still reserve the right to aggressive PATROLLING of those area....that those chink theives had already occupied while at were busy rebuilding our nation.

It was no proper escalation either, just asserting presence...Had it been, our men wouldn't have been outnumbered 8 to 1, when "our friends" invaded. Yes, Kargil was a "pushing back", not '62.
That was a pre-planned, two-front, full-scale invasion...& their drama before, was a part of it to lower our guard down.

Believe it or not, it was China who betrayed Nehru, instead of the other way round & right now they're probably trying it again.
Except we won't trust them this time, or expect that they'll stop funding our enemies & insurgents... hopefully.
Nobody was betrayed. Outsmarted? yes but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a betrayal.
Mao came to power after a long struggle. He outsmarted the best in his country at that time whereas Nehru became our prime minister just by throwing few tantrums in front of our beloved Bapu.
 

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Nobody was betrayed. Outsmarted? yes but I wouldn't go as far as calling it a betrayal.
Mao came to power after a long struggle. He outsmarted the best in his country at that time whereas Nehru became our prime minister just by throwing few tantrums in front of our beloved Bapu.
In June 1940, Hitler "outsmarted" the French.
In June 1941, Hitler "betrayed" the USSR.
There's a (little) difference & it's usually the latter if pretending-to-be-a-friend/nonaggressor is involved at some point.

Fair point, the second part.
 
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A couple of things about this Xi Modi meet. Nothing really concrete came out of it. In the press conferences, both sides said: India and China have deep cultural and spiritual ties (yoga and Bollywood). AKA: we have some major issues but we'll focus on economic and people-to-people contacts for you media folks;

The Afghanistan economic project in China seeking desperately alternatives to CPEC since that is such a major disaster. India jumped on because if it succeeds, Pakistan will be caught in a spiralling debt crisis.

Otherwise, nothing has changed. India and China will keep taking steps to try and counter each other while working together where it suits them. In June, the IN-USN-JMSDF (aka Chinese nightmare) will be at it again, this time off Guam.
 

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Let me go against the tide and just say that India agreeing to joint China and India infra projects in Afghanistan would be a move which benefits only in China.
Question : What stopped China from not executing same project previously in Afghanistan? Was it because of image issues, it feared hostility from common Afghanistanis? Is Roping India, a way of neutering its image in AFghanistan & learning how to handle engagement ropes in Afghanistan, so that future solo inroads into Afghanistan are not hundred and India can be sidelined?

Modi like all BJP leaders has one weakness. They value glitter and pomp given by Foreign leaders even when they are likely to back stab them.
 
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Let me go against the tide and just say that India agreeing to joint China and India infra projects in Afghanistan would be a move which benefits only in China.
Question : What stopped China from not executing same project previously in Afghanistan? Was it because of image issues, it feared hostility from common Afghanistanis? Is Roping India, a way of neutering its image in AFghanistan & learning how to handle engagement ropes in Afghanistan, so that future solo inroads into Afghanistan are not hundred and India can be sidelined?

Modi like all BJP leaders has one weakness. They value glitter and pomp given by Foreign leaders even when they are likely to back stab them.
This was an informal meeting. The expectations were already set that there may not even be a joint statement or any agreements. Each leader may present his version to his media. The purpose was to speak at the highest level and understand each other and talk frankly on different issues. Main takeaway was each leader will talk to their army generals and will ask them to stand down. Anything can be achieved via talks. Xi must have asked Modi to stand with China against US hegemony but Modi may have refused giving our neutral stand. Similarly India would have expressed concerns about Chinese presence in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and other neighbors and Xi may have refused. That's why China understand this and mentioned each country can have their independent foreign policy without targeting another country.
 

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PM Modi during his meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping in Wuhan. (AFP photo)
HIGHLIGHTS
  • Central government will build 96 more ITBP border outposts along the 3,488 km long India-China border
  • The new posts will also help reduce the time taken by the troops to travel on this arduous terrain
  • With this, ITBP will now have total 272 BoPs on India-China border
NEW DELHI: Segregating its attempts to have friendly relations with China from the security strategy, the Narendra Modi government will build a whopping 96 more Indo-Tibet Border Police (ITBP) border outposts (BoPs) along the 3,488 km long India-China border.


Having 96 more BoPs will reduce the inter-BoP distance on this icy frontier which will enhance the operational capabilities of jawans and will prove to be a deterrent to frequent Chinese transgressions and incursions into Indian territory.

The new posts will also help reduce the time taken by the troops to travel on this arduous terrain, help in supplies of rations to the posts located at the altitude of 12,000 to 18,000 feet and also help in keeping a close watch over the Chinese army build-up in a tense situation.

Top sources confirmed to TOI that the ministry of home affairs is already discussing the matter with the ministries of external affairs and defence and the new BoPs are likely to be given approval soon."This is part of India's internal security policy and it doesn't mean that we want some kind of confrontation with China. The plans to increase the number of BoPs have been discussed for years and it's a routine process," said a home ministry official.

With this, ITBP will now have total 272 BoPs on India-China border. Till now, the force has 176 BoPs on the India-China border.

Officials added that ITBP will raise nine more battalions (around 9,000 men) for its new outposts, likely to be constructed in a couple of years, for which a proposal is already pending.

The development comes even as government is making other efforts to provide a comfortable working environment to the troops at high altitudes.
The MHA recently approved that ITBP will have 54 temperature controlled integrated BoPs. "It will take some time but we are making efforts that over the years, most of the ITBP posts where temperature goes down to minus 40-50 degrees should have temperature control facility," said the MHA official.

The first temperature controlled integrated BoP in Ladakh is in its final stages and would be made operational very soon, said sources.

Home minister Rajnath Singh had last year announced that 25 border roads will be constructed in Arunachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh; and special lightweight winter clothing and enhanced fleet of snow scooters will be provided to troops deployed above 9,000 feet.

The government, as first reported by TOI in January this year, also recently gave permission to ITBP to procure two twin-engined helicopters primarily to carry out reconnaissance so that transgressions by the People's Liberation Army (PLA), troop build-up and construction activities across the border can be spotted in time.
 

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No agenda. Informal meeting. No big announcements and joint declarations.
That sounds like there was some serious agenda to be discussed at highest levels.
 

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