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The only reason for Paras using AKs is the non availability of M4s and Tavors. This was the case with 11 and 12 when they were converted. INSAS uses shite OFB ammo. Which is why terrible performance. Said AKs used by infantry in Kashmir are bring replaced with Sigs.
It's not just because they didn't have alternative. SF units tend to use Kalashnikov type rifles to camouflage their presence in hostile territory.

Sharp eared sentries can tell the difference between an Ak going off and a Tavor/M4.

This is also why you'll see a lot of American tier one SF units and mercs using AKs in Libya/Syria/Iraq
 

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Indo-Russian AK-203 Rifles production in India gets delayed
Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that the delay is due to issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.


Indigenous production of the much awaited AK-203 assault rifle under the joint venture between India and Russia is expected to be delayed further due to unresolved issues between the two sides.

Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that “There is a delay in the indigenous manufacturing of the AK-203 as there are issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.”

“Secondly, due to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, there has been a delay in the process of firming up the supply chain. Also there is lack of clarity on the supply chain,” said the source quoted above.

Adding, “Incidentally, there is no clarity on who will be making the barrel of the assault rifle.”

F-INSAS unveiled by defence minister

On Tuesday, defence minister Rajnath Singh, had unveiled the concept of Future Infantry Soldier as a System (F-INSAS). The F-INSAS handed over showed an AK-203 assault rifle, which India had received off the shelf from Moscow, the soldier was wearing a helmet made by Kanpur based MKU, and the bullet proof jacket is from another company SMPP Pvt. Ltd.

How many rifles are required?

The Indian Army is waiting for 6.71 Around 6.71 lakh AK-203 7.62×39 mm rifles to be manufactured at this facility based at Korwa, UP. The two countries in 2019 had inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) under which a Joint Venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100% indigenisation.

Upgrade of the existing AK-47

Financial Express Online earlier this year had reported that a Bengaluru based company SSS Defence had won a contract for upgradation of AK 47 rifles to the Indian Army’s Para Special Forces. The company has completed delivery of its Proprietary upgrade kits. Interestingly, for the first time a private sector company SSS Defence replaced an incumbent Israeli supplier – FAB Defence.

Due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war the company, according to sources the company is expected to receive a larger contract to upgrade more Kalashnikov rifles in service. The Special Forces of the Indian Army is presently using a mix of frontline assault weapons including — TAR-21s, M4A1s, among other rifles.

As has been reported earlier, sources have said “there is an acute shortage of raw material, components and end products, and this is causing delays in the indigenisation of various platforms in the Indian army.”

AK-203 for the Indian Army

The INSAS rifle which has been the mainstay of the armed forces has been plagued by limited upgrades, inefficiencies, and manufacturing quality concerns.

The Indian Army has had its woes with the INSAS rifle, an indigenous production, since its induction in 1994. One problem the Indian Army faces is the lack of a standardised carbine. The equipment has been unable to change with the evolution of the Army. The Army went from a traditional infantry force to a multifaceted organisation increasingly taking on urban assailants in a close quarter battle. Further, the Army revised its philosophy that earlier demanded the rifle to be able to incapacitate the target. Now, the Army adorns a stricter stance and seeks, per philosophy, an assault rifle capable of carrying out “shoot to kill” orders. Further, the existing infantry suffers losses when long-range, high-recoil rifles are used in tight spaces.

The AK-47, irrespective of the operator, has delivered in various environments, from deserts to high seas to the mountains. However, evolution is never-ending. And Kalashnikov released its next flagship rifle, the AK-203. It is slated to be a worldwide standard in the years to come.

More about AK-203

The Indian Army will receive a 300m range AK-203, although there are variants with a more excellent range. Even at such a long-range, the accuracy of the AK-203 is one of the best. It edges out the competition in the amount of Picatinny rails which allow a variety of add-ons such as sights. This standard mounting system lends greater modularity to the operators. It carries the reputable reliability that has been the hallmark of the Kalashnikov rifles like the AK-47 and the AK-74. It can perform in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius in temperature tests. This makes it perfect for the mountainous warfare the Indian Army engages in with Pakistan and China.

In the opposite environment, the rifle also sustains dust storms and other builds of sand in desert environments. The tests were meant to emulate a sandstorm that could not deter the rifle’s reliability and accuracy. This is a handy weapon for even the long desert terrain we share with Pakistan.

The rifle tests included an emulation of tropical rain where the rifle was loaded and then exposed to the long downpour that turned the sand into silt. This means that not only will the wetter and tropical operations benefit, but with the combined ability to resist sand and silt, it will be viable for coastal forces to use this as well.

Beyond extreme reliability, it will use the 7.62×39 mm carbine with a collapsible stock that will enable close-quarter battles. This one rifle will be able to adapt to various tasks that the Indian Army has been undertaking. The Indian Army will be the first recipient of the AK-203 outside Russia. Currently, it is under limited use by the Russian Special Forces.

Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100 percent indigenisation.
 

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Indo-Russian AK-203 Rifles production in India gets delayed
Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that the delay is due to issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.


Indigenous production of the much awaited AK-203 assault rifle under the joint venture between India and Russia is expected to be delayed further due to unresolved issues between the two sides.

Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that “There is a delay in the indigenous manufacturing of the AK-203 as there are issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.”

“Secondly, due to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, there has been a delay in the process of firming up the supply chain. Also there is lack of clarity on the supply chain,” said the source quoted above.

Adding, “Incidentally, there is no clarity on who will be making the barrel of the assault rifle.”

F-INSAS unveiled by defence minister

On Tuesday, defence minister Rajnath Singh, had unveiled the concept of Future Infantry Soldier as a System (F-INSAS). The F-INSAS handed over showed an AK-203 assault rifle, which India had received off the shelf from Moscow, the soldier was wearing a helmet made by Kanpur based MKU, and the bullet proof jacket is from another company SMPP Pvt. Ltd.

How many rifles are required?

The Indian Army is waiting for 6.71 Around 6.71 lakh AK-203 7.62×39 mm rifles to be manufactured at this facility based at Korwa, UP. The two countries in 2019 had inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) under which a Joint Venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100% indigenisation.

Upgrade of the existing AK-47

Financial Express Online earlier this year had reported that a Bengaluru based company SSS Defence had won a contract for upgradation of AK 47 rifles to the Indian Army’s Para Special Forces. The company has completed delivery of its Proprietary upgrade kits. Interestingly, for the first time a private sector company SSS Defence replaced an incumbent Israeli supplier – FAB Defence.

Due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war the company, according to sources the company is expected to receive a larger contract to upgrade more Kalashnikov rifles in service. The Special Forces of the Indian Army is presently using a mix of frontline assault weapons including — TAR-21s, M4A1s, among other rifles.

As has been reported earlier, sources have said “there is an acute shortage of raw material, components and end products, and this is causing delays in the indigenisation of various platforms in the Indian army.”

AK-203 for the Indian Army

The INSAS rifle which has been the mainstay of the armed forces has been plagued by limited upgrades, inefficiencies, and manufacturing quality concerns.

The Indian Army has had its woes with the INSAS rifle, an indigenous production, since its induction in 1994. One problem the Indian Army faces is the lack of a standardised carbine. The equipment has been unable to change with the evolution of the Army. The Army went from a traditional infantry force to a multifaceted organisation increasingly taking on urban assailants in a close quarter battle. Further, the Army revised its philosophy that earlier demanded the rifle to be able to incapacitate the target. Now, the Army adorns a stricter stance and seeks, per philosophy, an assault rifle capable of carrying out “shoot to kill” orders. Further, the existing infantry suffers losses when long-range, high-recoil rifles are used in tight spaces.

The AK-47, irrespective of the operator, has delivered in various environments, from deserts to high seas to the mountains. However, evolution is never-ending. And Kalashnikov released its next flagship rifle, the AK-203. It is slated to be a worldwide standard in the years to come.

More about AK-203

The Indian Army will receive a 300m range AK-203, although there are variants with a more excellent range. Even at such a long-range, the accuracy of the AK-203 is one of the best. It edges out the competition in the amount of Picatinny rails which allow a variety of add-ons such as sights. This standard mounting system lends greater modularity to the operators. It carries the reputable reliability that has been the hallmark of the Kalashnikov rifles like the AK-47 and the AK-74. It can perform in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius in temperature tests. This makes it perfect for the mountainous warfare the Indian Army engages in with Pakistan and China.

In the opposite environment, the rifle also sustains dust storms and other builds of sand in desert environments. The tests were meant to emulate a sandstorm that could not deter the rifle’s reliability and accuracy. This is a handy weapon for even the long desert terrain we share with Pakistan.

The rifle tests included an emulation of tropical rain where the rifle was loaded and then exposed to the long downpour that turned the sand into silt. This means that not only will the wetter and tropical operations benefit, but with the combined ability to resist sand and silt, it will be viable for coastal forces to use this as well.

Beyond extreme reliability, it will use the 7.62×39 mm carbine with a collapsible stock that will enable close-quarter battles. This one rifle will be able to adapt to various tasks that the Indian Army has been undertaking. The Indian Army will be the first recipient of the AK-203 outside Russia. Currently, it is under limited use by the Russian Special Forces.

Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100 percent indigenisation.
CCP planted nonsense to demoralize. Nothing else
 

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AK-203 ASSAULT RIFLE KIT TO BE MANUFACTURED IN AMETHI, HANDED OVER TO INDIAN ARMY
Amethi:
Under the leadership of PM Narendra Modi, India is continuously emerging as a self-reliant nation. The AK-203 assault rifles manufactured in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh, is a shining example of this. Amethi is the same district whose political identity was once from the Gandhi family, but now the MP there is Smriti Irani and during this time Amethi has got a new identity. Rajiv Gandhi was MP from the Amethi seat for 10 years, Sonia Gandhi for 5 years and then Rahul Gandhi for 15 years, but there was no significant change in the condition of the area. Today, AK-203 rifles are being made with the technical help of Russia in Amethi.

AK 203 assault rifle

On Tuesday, August 16, the Indian Army also received its first consignment. Union Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has handed over the first batch to the Army. These rifles are being developed in collaboration with the Russian government under the 'Make in India' initiative of the central government.

During the ceremony today, Army's F-INSAS soldier gave a briefing to Raksha Mantri on his new weapon systems and aids including the AK-203 assault rifle. The complete gear of the F-INSAS system includes an AK-203 assault rifle. AK-203 is a Russian-origin gas-operated, magazine-fed, select fire assault rifle with a range of 300 metre. The F-INSAS is planned to be manufactured in Amethi, Uttar Pradesh, in a joint venture between Indian and Russian entities.

In the year 2019, PM Narendra Modi announced that the Amethi district of UP will be identified with AK-203 rifles. However, today, after three years, PM Modi's words have come true. The country's brave soldiers will now have an AK-203 assault rifle in their hands.

AK-203 assault rifle is counted among the best rifles in the world. It will be manufactured at the Ordnance Factory located in the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Korwa campus in Amethi. At present, the production of 5 lakh rifles has got the green signal. The construction work is under progress at a rapid pace.

This outdated shit is F-INSAS? WooooW
 

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List of ammunition types currently used by IA
  1. 5.56×45mm NATO - Assault rifles, Machine guns
  2. 9×19mm Parabellum - Handguns and SMGs
  3. 7.62×39mm - Assault rifles
  4. 7.62×51mm NATO - Battle rifles, Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  5. 7.62×54mmR - Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  6. .338 Lapua Magnum - Sniper rifles
  7. 12.7×108mm - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  8. .50 BMG - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  9. 14.5×114mm - Anti-material rifles
  10. 20x82mm - Anti-material rifles
  11. 5.56×30mm MINSAS - SMGs (in future)
The entire situation is a gigantic logistic nightmare.
 

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List of ammunition types currently used by IA
  1. 5.56×45mm NATO - Assault rifles, Machine guns
  2. 9×19mm Parabellum - Handguns and SMGs
  3. 7.62×39mm - Assault rifles
  4. 7.62×51mm NATO - Battle rifles, Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  5. 7.62×54mmR - Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  6. .338 Lapua Magnum - Sniper rifles
  7. 12.7×108mm - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  8. .50 BMG - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  9. 14.5×114mm - Anti-material rifles
  10. 20x82mm - Anti-material rifles
  11. 5.56×30mm MINSAS - SMGs (in future)
The entire situation is a gigantic logistic nightmare.
We need to complete the Multi Caliber Individual Weapon System project and select the rifle as the standard Indian firearm.
 

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List of ammunition types currently used by IA
  1. 5.56×45mm NATO - Assault rifles, Machine guns
  2. 9×19mm Parabellum - Handguns and SMGs
  3. 7.62×39mm - Assault rifles
  4. 7.62×51mm NATO - Battle rifles, Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  5. 7.62×54mmR - Sniper rifles, Machine guns
  6. .338 Lapua Magnum - Sniper rifles
  7. 12.7×108mm - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  8. .50 BMG - Anti-material rifles, Machine guns
  9. 14.5×114mm - Anti-material rifles
  10. 20x82mm - Anti-material rifles
  11. 5.56×30mm MINSAS - SMGs (in future)
The entire situation is a gigantic logistic nightmare.
When did army started using 5.56x30mm rounds?
 

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Am I missing something here? What was Indian contribution in development of AK-203?
Is this creative journalism?
Mam , it will be produced in india, that's the contribution.
Not necessary that India collaborate in everything
Seriously some times , women can be very picky .
 

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Mam , it will be produced in india, that's the contribution.
Not necessary that India collaborate in everything
Seriously some times , women can be very picky .
The article states :
These rifles are being developed in collaboration with the Russian government
and not
These rifles are being manufactured in collaboration with the Russian government
hence the question.
 

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The article states :
These rifles are being developed in collaboration with the Russian government
and not
These rifles are being manufactured in collaboration with the Russian government
hence the question.
But didi , Russian has agreed for tech transfer na
 

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Do you have a source for this? Because the Sig was ordered exclusively for the Northern Command and I don't think IA would have ordered it if it couldn't perform in extreme conditions.

Yes the AK has loose tolerances. That woyld be a huge factor for a ragtag militia. But IA is a professional Army. Soldiers clean and maintain their weapons regularly. Which will ensure that the Sig will perform as it is intended to.

Again, if it couldn't perform in extreme conditions, IA wouldnt order it. The fact that they want 70k more says enough. Your point about the AR not performing is moot.

The .300 BLK is designed to be used with a suppressor because it is a subsonic round. It's not designed specifically for mountain warfare.

As for packing a punch, well, 7.62 NATO does that. Why cant it be used instead of AK at short range? It can do the same bunker busting stuff as AK. Ant it is almost the same size.

Can't argue with that. That is why I suggested that only *non infantry* be equipped with those. To ensure training commonality with Sig. Please go through my post again.

Yes, and that is more KE which results in more armor penetration. It is in line with changing US doctrine to combat near peer enemies.

We are already using 7.62×51. Why would we be wasting money? We are just simplyfing the logistics by going for 2 calibers instead of 3.

Ok but is the folding stock really *that* important? Does it negate all the other advantages? No.
The 7.62x51 round kicks like a mule. It takes a lot of training to teach troops to fire in bursts when using full auto.

https://youtube.com/shorts/Yd7IRA5bJi4?feature=share

In CQB the recoil prevents quickly switching targets which even the US is pondering about with the new 6.8x51 round.

5.56x45 has lost viability due to not being adequate at close quarters and at range.

The AR design has inherent flaws due to its tight tolerances. They have been detailed extensively in the Pakistani trials of a short stroke piston AR during their attempt to replace the G3 in 2016-17.

Extreme Climate Test. Hot. 360 rounds loaded into magazines and three test weapons were conditioned at +60°C (140°F) for 12 hours. All the test weapons performed without issue except for the US weapons, all of which had the bolt catch fall out of the weapon during testing and one of which launched the muzzle break down range.

Cold. 720 rounds loaded into magazines and three test weapons were conditioned at -40°C (-40°F). Two cycles of 120x rounds fired from each weapon. All the test weapons performed without issue except for the US weapons which would not chamber a round and did not fire a single shot.
Takeaways: The AR10-type weapon is inherently accurate especially when compared to other service rifles, but the design leaves it very susceptible to dirt and debris. Adding a piston system to the AR15/10/M4/M16 does not improve the reliability of the system in harsh environments due to design limitations. Considering these trials, it is interesting to ponder weapon testing requirements of the United States and the small arms currently being used and purchased by the Services. The selection approach of the United States may need to be rethought. If you operate in harsh conditions where maintenance and cleaning may not be available, and you absolutely must have a rifle that fires every time you pull the trigger, then the Russian Kalashnikov AK is the answer. Otherwise, keep your weapon clean and don’t let it get dirty.
https://soldiersystems.net/2018/07/16/general-staff-requirement-gsr-new-assault-rifle/

Ideally we would have a single calibre to equip out troops but 7.62x51 is not viable for everyone and thus we moved to 7.62x51 for frontline infantry and 7.62x39 for rear echleon troops. The multi calibre barrel experiment has failed to yield any tangible results.
 

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Indo-Russian AK-203 Rifles production in India gets delayed
Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that the delay is due to issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.


Indigenous production of the much awaited AK-203 assault rifle under the joint venture between India and Russia is expected to be delayed further due to unresolved issues between the two sides.

Sources confirmed to Financial Express Online that “There is a delay in the indigenous manufacturing of the AK-203 as there are issues related to Transfer of Technology (ToT) from Russia which has to be addressed first.”

“Secondly, due to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine, there has been a delay in the process of firming up the supply chain. Also there is lack of clarity on the supply chain,” said the source quoted above.

Adding, “Incidentally, there is no clarity on who will be making the barrel of the assault rifle.”

F-INSAS unveiled by defence minister

On Tuesday, defence minister Rajnath Singh, had unveiled the concept of Future Infantry Soldier as a System (F-INSAS). The F-INSAS handed over showed an AK-203 assault rifle, which India had received off the shelf from Moscow, the soldier was wearing a helmet made by Kanpur based MKU, and the bullet proof jacket is from another company SMPP Pvt. Ltd.

How many rifles are required?

The Indian Army is waiting for 6.71 Around 6.71 lakh AK-203 7.62×39 mm rifles to be manufactured at this facility based at Korwa, UP. The two countries in 2019 had inked an Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) under which a Joint Venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100% indigenisation.

Upgrade of the existing AK-47

Financial Express Online earlier this year had reported that a Bengaluru based company SSS Defence had won a contract for upgradation of AK 47 rifles to the Indian Army’s Para Special Forces. The company has completed delivery of its Proprietary upgrade kits. Interestingly, for the first time a private sector company SSS Defence replaced an incumbent Israeli supplier – FAB Defence.

Due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war the company, according to sources the company is expected to receive a larger contract to upgrade more Kalashnikov rifles in service. The Special Forces of the Indian Army is presently using a mix of frontline assault weapons including — TAR-21s, M4A1s, among other rifles.

As has been reported earlier, sources have said “there is an acute shortage of raw material, components and end products, and this is causing delays in the indigenisation of various platforms in the Indian army.”

AK-203 for the Indian Army

The INSAS rifle which has been the mainstay of the armed forces has been plagued by limited upgrades, inefficiencies, and manufacturing quality concerns.

The Indian Army has had its woes with the INSAS rifle, an indigenous production, since its induction in 1994. One problem the Indian Army faces is the lack of a standardised carbine. The equipment has been unable to change with the evolution of the Army. The Army went from a traditional infantry force to a multifaceted organisation increasingly taking on urban assailants in a close quarter battle. Further, the Army revised its philosophy that earlier demanded the rifle to be able to incapacitate the target. Now, the Army adorns a stricter stance and seeks, per philosophy, an assault rifle capable of carrying out “shoot to kill” orders. Further, the existing infantry suffers losses when long-range, high-recoil rifles are used in tight spaces.

The AK-47, irrespective of the operator, has delivered in various environments, from deserts to high seas to the mountains. However, evolution is never-ending. And Kalashnikov released its next flagship rifle, the AK-203. It is slated to be a worldwide standard in the years to come.

More about AK-203

The Indian Army will receive a 300m range AK-203, although there are variants with a more excellent range. Even at such a long-range, the accuracy of the AK-203 is one of the best. It edges out the competition in the amount of Picatinny rails which allow a variety of add-ons such as sights. This standard mounting system lends greater modularity to the operators. It carries the reputable reliability that has been the hallmark of the Kalashnikov rifles like the AK-47 and the AK-74. It can perform in temperatures as low as -50 degrees Celsius in temperature tests. This makes it perfect for the mountainous warfare the Indian Army engages in with Pakistan and China.

In the opposite environment, the rifle also sustains dust storms and other builds of sand in desert environments. The tests were meant to emulate a sandstorm that could not deter the rifle’s reliability and accuracy. This is a handy weapon for even the long desert terrain we share with Pakistan.

The rifle tests included an emulation of tropical rain where the rifle was loaded and then exposed to the long downpour that turned the sand into silt. This means that not only will the wetter and tropical operations benefit, but with the combined ability to resist sand and silt, it will be viable for coastal forces to use this as well.

Beyond extreme reliability, it will use the 7.62×39 mm carbine with a collapsible stock that will enable close-quarter battles. This one rifle will be able to adapt to various tasks that the Indian Army has been undertaking. The Indian Army will be the first recipient of the AK-203 outside Russia. Currently, it is under limited use by the Russian Special Forces.

Initially, it will include Russian components. There also in batches of 20,000-40,000, the percentage of indigenous content would be increased gradually from 5% to 100% with a plan to produce all AK-203 after the first 1.2L with 100 percent indigenisation.
Nothing that we didn't expect , this drama has been going on for 4 years now
 

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