MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Fatalis]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So gov isn't interested in another rafael deal for iaf for now

 

[BON PLAN]

The place is already taken by Rafale thanks to the first 36 units order.

 

[Johny_Baba]

every time Gripen is peddled here and gets BTFO while SAAB keep on trying for its sales here,

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[Johny_Baba]

If Gripen-E is accepted in service then it'll be death knell for Tejas Mk2 and related programs here; besides we wanted dual engine jet for MRCA why are they even trying.

 

[johnj]

When MoD/DAC given AoN ???

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

If Gripen-E is accepted in service then it'll be death knell for Tejas Mk2 and related programs here; besides we wanted dual engine jet for MRCA why are they even trying.

Aaega rafael hi worry not iaf is not at that level of incompetency rfp must have gone to all 6 participants or 5 I don't remember.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

When MoD/DAC given AoN ???

Maybe by year end kuch to hoga

 

[Defcon 1]

Saab itself doesn't have engine technology, so how will they give 100% TOT?

 

[Hari Sud]

If LCA 1, 1A, 2 succeed as planned then give the MMRCA some more time to innovate more than the Indian LCA program. At the moment, it looks that much of the innovations in MMRCA are already being incorporated into LCA-2, hence MMRCA has to be quantum leap ahead.

Moreover, it is a very secretive technology in the MMRCA which should make it as close to a stealth fighter, hence that is what India needs.

 

[vin bharat mahan]

If LCA 1, 1A, 2 succeed as planned then give the MMRCA some more time to innovate more than the Indian LCA program. At the moment, it looks that much of the innovations in MMRCA are already being incorporated into LCA-2, hence MMRCA has to be quantum leap ahead.

Moreover, it is a very secretive technology in the MMRCA which should make it as close to a stealth fighter, hence that is what India needs.

if 114 rafale is too costly for us...we should buy either 36 (2 squad) or 72 (4 squad) of rafale. although ideal choice is to make 200 tejas mark 1a, 200 tejas mark 2 nd 150 rafale....with 260 su 30 mki. that will make total 200+200+150+260= 810 fighters. i dont think AMCA will coming before 2040. AMCA will start replacing su 30 mki after 2045-50.

 

[BON PLAN]

If Gripen-E is accepted in service then it'll be death knell for Tejas Mk2 and related programs here; besides we wanted dual engine jet for MRCA why are they even trying.

You are right, and this is why Gripen has no chance.
Add that Gripen is, as Tejas , subject to CAATSA sanctions, and/or export restrictions. Not good.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Saab is the poster boy of this meme. Respect 07

 

[Fatalis]

MRFA procurement is bound to happen. It is inevitable.

Our current fleet:
03 squadrons Mig-21
03 squadrons Mig-29
03 squadrons Mirage-2000
06 squadrons Jaguar
12 squadrons Su-30MKI
02 squadrons Tejas MK-1
02 squadrons Rafale
Total: 31

Aircrafts under procurement:
04 squadrons Tejas MK-1A

Squadrons we are planning to retire by 2032:
03 squadrons Mig-21
03 squadrons Mig-29
03 squadrons Mirage-2000
06 squadrons Jaguar
Total: 15

We will be left with only 16 + 04 = 20 squadrons. Even if we order additional 05 Tejas MK-1A squadrons, we will just reach a Squadron strength of 25.

If we order a total of 06 -10 squadrons of Tejas MK-2 then we will reach the current squadron strength of 31-35. We still require a minimum of 6 squadrons of another aircraft to reach around 41. This is where MRFA comes in to the picture. It is required to fill the squadron gap.

People who argue that rest of the number should come from AMCA as the IAF has promised a minimum total of 7 squadrons should keep in mind that approval for AMCA is still pending from CCS and it will definitely take time to get mature.

If MRFA is procured then:
12 squadrons Su-30MKI
02 squadrons Tejas MK-1
09 squadrons Tejas MK-1A
02 squadrons Rafale
06 squadrons MRFA
10 squadrons Tejas MK-2
Total: 41

 

[vin bharat mahan]

MRFA procurement is bound to happen. It is inevitable.

Our current fleet:
03 squadrons Mig-21
03 squadrons Mig-29
03 squadrons Mirage-2000
06 squadrons Jaguar
12 squadrons Su-30MKI
02 squadrons Tejas MK-1
02 squadrons Rafale
Total: 31

Aircrafts under procurement:
04 squadrons Tejas MK-1A

Squadrons we are planning to retire by 2032:
03 squadrons Mig-21
03 squadrons Mig-29
03 squadrons Mirage-2000
06 squadrons Jaguar
Total: 15

We will be left with only 16 + 04 = 20 squadrons. Even if we order additional 05 Tejas MK-1A squadrons, we will just reach a Squadron strength of 25.

If we order a total of 06 -10 squadrons of Tejas MK-2 then we will reach the current squadron strength of 31-35. We still require a minimum of 6 squadrons of another aircraft to reach around 41. This is where MRFA comes in to the picture. It is required to fill the squadron gap.

People who argue that rest of the number should come from AMCA as the IAF has promised a minimum total of 7 squadrons should keep in mind that approval for AMCA is still pending from CCS and it will definitely take time to get mature.

If MRFA is procured then:
12 squadrons Su-30MKI
02 squadrons Tejas MK-1
09 squadrons Tejas MK-1A
02 squadrons Rafale
06 squadrons MRFA
10 squadrons Tejas MK-2
Total: 41

12 squad of su30 mki??? we hv 15 squad of su 30 mki. 18 fighters make one squad of su30 mki. 272/18= 15 squad. yes 10-12 su 30 mki destroyed. but they r from different squad. so 1-2 destroyed su 30 mki in a squad, dont close that squadron.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Never ending comedy going on for more than half a decade.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

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12 Su-30 MKIs from Roosi
26 Rafale M from Baguette
and 100 F-15EX from Burger

Perfectly imbalanced, just to appease uncle sam

 

[slayingheaven]

In 2014, itself when Modi was sworn as PM if he had any decent defense minister first he should have a Strategy like this a Short-term goal and long-term goal LOGICALLY. The Short term goal is to replace ageing fighter jets and long term goal is to field indigenous fifth gen fighter aircraft. Iam as patriotic as i can get but at that time we should had scrapped Tejas Program and also the Tejas Mk2 program as they NEITHER FILL NUMBERs IN SHORT TERM(IT's 2023, a full 9 YEARs & ONLY 50 are built against the backlog) NOR EVEN PUT A LITTLE FIGHT AGAINST FIFTH GEN AIRCRAFT IN LONG TERM because they are 4.5gen. The Tejas& Tejas Mk2 was,is & will be in an awkward position of Neither achieving short term goals nor achieving long term goal. We should have scrapped Tejas and start 2 new fighter jet programs indigenously, one with single engine and another with twin engine. We should have been even ready to pay upto 150M per jet even having leniency in no domestic manufacturing but 100% ToT of Know-Why or atleast Know-How of Jet engines is Must. We can let go on local assembly and all that but the Engines have to be made from scratch not even importing single screw. It is better if we give that job to Godrej Aerospace who are now to manufacture Kaveri w/o afterburner. They may absorb technology fast than useless trash HAL. If in a scenario we brought F-21 by LM, be it a stop gap measure. Atleast F-21 is better than Mig-21 and had we ordered that we would have replaced all that Flying coffins by 2019 and won't be embarrassed internationally by that incident in balakot. Had we opted for F-21 in numbers like 150 which can replace all our Mig-21, Mig-29 and some older jets, we may had chance of manufacturing F110 which is more powerful than F414(which we recently negotiated a deal). We may even had to sweeten the deal to USA by ordering our airlines to order more Commerial Boeing jets or more Maritime Patrol or Tanker or Transport or even LM2500 engines for Warships. All that fear of US Sanctions are farce because we STILL ARE GOING TO USE USA ENGINEs IN NOW UPCOMING AMCA Jet. The deal with USA is for F-21 but in reality it is to get hands on F110 Engine. I don't know USA will agree for ToT like F414 for F110 if we are ordering in huge numbers. With F110 we can design two fifth gen planes that will replace our fleet of some 750 planes in future. With F110 we can design a Light-Medium 17.50-18.00 Ton Stealth Jet and 25.00-27.50 Ton Stealth Jet where both of them can supercruise since everything is stored internally. Now we had to settle for subpar F414 engine in AMCA. Since government is new, he should have boldly go forward with a consortium formed by Reliance-Tata-Adani like those in Korean Aerospace Industries partially owned by Chaebol. No HAL in the equation of fighter jets, instead they should have been alloted a common airframe like A321 to work on with all Sensor Platforms like Tanker,AWACs,Ground Surveillance, MaritimePatrol Etc. The Private consortium would have been able to churn out jets very quickly. As much i love my country, as much i want to indigenize as much as possible to create our Own MIC, prevent ourflow of FOREX , TEJAS FULLFILLs NEITHER SHORT TERM GOAL OF AGEING JETs NOR LONG TERM GOAL OF BEING ABLE TO PUT A MINIMUM FIGHT AGAINST FIFTH GEN IN 2040-2050-2060. Now its 2023, both the short term and long term goals are now awkward. We are in no position to neither abandon Tejas nor redesign higher thrust AMCA nor single engine Stealth Jet.