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IAF WILL FOCUS ON RS 1.3 LAKH CRORE DEAL FOR 114 FIGHTER JETS
NEW DELHI: With the deal for 83 TEJAS MK-1A aircraft set to be signed during upcoming Aero India, the Indian Air Force is now looking to focus on the multirole fighter aircraft project under which it is planning to acquire 114 combat aircraft expected to cost over Rs 1.3 lakh crore.


The Air Force had been undertaking one fighter aircraft project at a time and now its 83 TEJAS MK-1A fighters have been cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Rs 50,000 crore deal is set to be signed in Bengaluru during Aero India.

"The 83 TEJAS would be replacing the four squadrons of the MiG-21 fighter jets which are set to be phased out in near future. The focus would now be on the 114 fighter jets project ," government sources told ANI.

The IAF has already issued the Request for Information for the tender and would be soon moving a proposal for getting the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) before the Defence Ministry for the multi-billion dollar project which would enable it to acquire 4.5 plus generation aircraft in large numbers to match the capabilities of the omni role Rafale fighters 36 of which have started getting inducted from last year.

The Request for Information (RFI) has been responded to by several global players including fighter jet manufacturers from the US, France, Russia and Sweden.

While the Americans are offering from the F-15 Strike Eagle, F-18 Super Hornet and an F-16 variant by the name of F-21, the Russians are likely to offer the MiG-35 and a Sukhoi fighter. Sweden's Saab is looking to pitch in with its Gripen fighter aircraft which it says is far more advanced than the one which was offered in 2007 to the Indian Air Force. France would be participating in the tender with the Rafale fighter jets.

Recently, Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria had termed the Rafale as one of the strong contenders for the 114 fighter acquisition project.

Sources said that for selection in the project, the main aspects would be the capabilities of the aircraft on offer along with the price at which it is offered. The Indian Air Force is also developing the parameters on which it will select the fighters which would be both single-engine and double-engine and would create a level-playing field for them in the competition.

Whichever aircraft is selected by the Air Force would remain the mainstay of the force for almost next four decades and would be required to be fully integrated with the Su-30MKI fighters which would be the mainstay in terms of numbers as 272 of them would be inducted by next year.

The 114 aircraft would also be Made in India and the foreign firms would be required to do a transfer of technology to the Indian partner as part of government's initiative to create a strong domestic defence industry under the Atmanirbhar Bharat scheme.

Lagging behind the neighbours in terms of fighter aircraft inductions, the Indian Air Force has got deals for 119 of them in the last four years. While in September 2016, it signed a deal for 36 Rafale fighters, it would be signing the deal with a Public Sector Undertaking in next few days for 83 TEJAS MK-1A TEJAS fighters. In recent times, it has also operationalised two squadrons of the TEJAS MK-1.
 

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IAF WILL FOCUS ON RS 1.3 LAKH CRORE DEAL FOR 114 FIGHTER JETS
NEW DELHI: With the deal for 83 TEJAS MK-1A aircraft set to be signed during upcoming Aero India, the Indian Air Force is now looking to focus on the multirole fighter aircraft project under which it is planning to acquire 114 combat aircraft expected to cost over Rs 1.3 lakh crore.


The Air Force had been undertaking one fighter aircraft project at a time and now its 83 TEJAS MK-1A fighters have been cleared by the Cabinet Committee on Security led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Rs 50,000 crore deal is set to be signed in Bengaluru during Aero India.

"The 83 TEJAS would be replacing the four squadrons of the MiG-21 fighter jets which are set to be phased out in near future. The focus would now be on the 114 fighter jets project ," government sources told ANI.

The IAF has already issued the Request for Information for the tender and would be soon moving a proposal for getting the Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) before the Defence Ministry for the multi-billion dollar project which would enable it to acquire 4.5 plus generation aircraft in large numbers to match the capabilities of the omni role Rafale fighters 36 of which have started getting inducted from last year.

The Request for Information (RFI) has been responded to by several global players including fighter jet manufacturers from the US, France, Russia and Sweden.

While the Americans are offering from the F-15 Strike Eagle, F-18 Super Hornet and an F-16 variant by the name of F-21, the Russians are likely to offer the MiG-35 and a Sukhoi fighter. Sweden's Saab is looking to pitch in with its Gripen fighter aircraft which it says is far more advanced than the one which was offered in 2007 to the Indian Air Force. France would be participating in the tender with the Rafale fighter jets.

Recently, Air Force chief Air Chief Marshal RKS Bhadauria had termed the Rafale as one of the strong contenders for the 114 fighter acquisition project.

Sources said that for selection in the project, the main aspects would be the capabilities of the aircraft on offer along with the price at which it is offered. The Indian Air Force is also developing the parameters on which it will select the fighters which would be both single-engine and double-engine and would create a level-playing field for them in the competition.

Whichever aircraft is selected by the Air Force would remain the mainstay of the force for almost next four decades and would be required to be fully integrated with the Su-30MKI fighters which would be the mainstay in terms of numbers as 272 of them would be inducted by next year.

The 114 aircraft would also be Made in India and the foreign firms would be required to do a transfer of technology to the Indian partner as part of government's initiative to create a strong domestic defence industry under the Atmanirbhar Bharat scheme.

Lagging behind the neighbours in terms of fighter aircraft inductions, the Indian Air Force has got deals for 119 of them in the last four years. While in September 2016, it signed a deal for 36 Rafale fighters, it would be signing the deal with a Public Sector Undertaking in next few days for 83 TEJAS MK-1A TEJAS fighters. In recent times, it has also operationalised two squadrons of the TEJAS MK-1.
It will be a SH18 - Rafale battle.
Gripen is out because Tejas,
F21 is out because now old, because don't fit IAF needs, because Tejas.
EF2000 is out because Rafale already on fleet, because less versatile, because AESA is late, because already at the end of its road map.
F15 will be out because Su30mki. And very strange that Boeing promote 2 fighters...
Russian products are out because IAF want a western fighter to couter balance the huge russian fleet.
 

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It will be a SH18 - Rafale battle.
Gripen is out because Tejas,
F21 is out because now old, because don't fit IAF needs, because Tejas.
EF2000 is out because Rafale already on fleet, because less versatile, because AESA is late, because already at the end of its road map.
F15 will be out because Su30mki. And very strange that Boeing promote 2 fighters...
Russian products are out because IAF want a western fighter to couter balance the huge russian fleet.
Correct... Even better would be to keep G2Ging more Rafales in batches of 36 & expand the Tejas order with the change. We still don't have that sort of money set aside for a single import of 114 of one of world's costliest jets.

India just cleared orders of 83 Tejas, 12 Su-30 & 21 Mig-29.
 
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Correct... Even better would be to keep G2Ging more Rafales in batches of 36 & expand the Tejas order with the change. We still don't have that sort of money set aside for a single import of 114 of one of world's costliest jets.

India just cleared orders of 83 Tejas, 12 Su-30 & 21 Mig-29.
I tend to agree.

Personally I think that a better idea than MMRCA would be to expand Tejas production capacity, order another 40 Mk1 FOC, another 2 squadrons' worth of Rafale, and wait to see how Mk1A pans out. If Mk1A (a) is not years late in arrival and testing (b) performs in line with expectations in testing, then why buy yet another foreign type? In any event MWF is on its way, isn;t it? It does not make sense to me to buy another 100+ medium weight fighters when India is developing a medium weight fighter.
 

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If we shortlist mig 35 with India specific enhancements and integrate our stuffs like Uttam AESA, and other equipments developed for MWF and indigenous weapons like Astra mk1, astra mk2, Rudram series, Saw etc. then it will come very cheap and the money saved can be used to buy 36 more Rafales and more MWFs.
 

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The intelligent thing to do is go with more Tejas (Mk1A is one incremental improvement. As production lines come up, more improvements can be made per generation of plane) + Rafale. It makes far more sense to have a small variety of jets but plenty of spares. Too much diversity and you're scrambling for logistics. Rafale is easily the best of what's offered and more important than ToT IMO should be training engineers in future generation warfare.
 

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The intelligent thing to do is go with more Tejas (Mk1A is one incremental improvement. As production lines come up, more improvements can be made per generation of plane) + Rafale. It makes far more sense to have a small variety of jets but plenty of spares. Too much diversity and you're scrambling for logistics. Rafale is easily the best of what's offered and more important than ToT IMO should be training engineers in future generation warfare.
Ditto.

We can't afford 114 gold-plated MMRCA.2 either... Cutting it to 72 RafaleF4 & 40 more FOC Tejas would not only be affordable but will also allow us to expand the Tejas manufacturing capacity now only.
 

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IMO there should be the smallest number of plane variants that can take on different roles based on armaments. Su-30MKI + Rafale + Tejas is pretty suitable. Throw in Mirage and then I think that's the mainstay of the fleet. You have plenty of commonality with spares (which saves on cost significantly, considering Tejas is domestic and at the number you are quoting, Rafale would likely be built in India). But I cannot stress enough, ToT is one thing. Training engineers in how to think and design to solve problems is far more important. I only hope to God that the Indian government thinks smartly. SH is a dumb, dumb move.
 

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Ditto.

We can't afford 114 gold-plated MMRCA.2 either... Cutting it to 72 RafaleF4 & 40 more FOC Tejas would not only be affordable but will also allow us to expand the Tejas manufacturing capacity now only.
I go along with that.

MMRCA.1 was a fiasco in my opinion. If India did not want to be accountabie for producing acceptable quality fast jets in an Indian factory owned and run by an Indian company, that should have been made clear at the start. Would have saved hundreds of thousands of man hours of work for all concerned.
 

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We should only buy Tejas Mk1A , No more foreign stuff we already have too many Su-30 . just fill numbers with MK1A then MK2
 

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Indonesia seems to have a wide-ranging interest in fighters:

F-15
Eurofighter
Rafale
MiG-35
KF-X
Eurofighter is now a second choice, at best. The plane is ony marginaly better than rafale in Air superiority, worst in air to ground mission, lacks of an AESA operationnal radar, has shorter legs and cost more than a Rafale. No way.
KF-X is some years from being operationnal.
Mig35 status is unknown.

Remain F15 and Rafale indeed.
 

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Eurofighter is now a second choice, at best. The plane is ony marginaly better than rafale in Air superiority, worst in air to ground mission, lacks of an AESA operationnal radar, has shorter legs and cost more than a Rafale. No way.
KF-X is some years from being operationnal.
Mig35 status is unknown.

Remain F15 and Rafale indeed.
Maybe they will order more in the future. I could follow the same path Indonesia took.
 

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