MMRCA 2.0: News & Discussions

[Pulkit]

It's not costly at current numbers, but it's definitely expensive if you give in to IAF's original demand for 42 squadrons.

Its an expensive aircraft even though it is highly potent we cannot afford it in large numbers.

This number was sanctioned more than decade ago when one needed a large number of 2-3 gen planes to fill gaps.

Which number are you referring to?

It doesn't hold true for 4+ gen planes, because one doesn't need as many 4+ gen planes to do the job of hundreds of 2-3 gen planes, given their advanced capabilities.

your enemy has also improved its capabilities. its not a number game anymore but the targets have increased and so are the defense systems.

But the IAF is stuck to that number like a small kid with no concern for other national realities.

YOu need those number to cover everything.Just check where the enemy has placed its bases we need to have a counter to all.

Our Navy is falling short of funding, we are looking to build a blue water navy with the appropriate number of carriers and submarines.

True but I have more faith in IN they are serious about the problem and are solving it

The Army is falling short of funds for their battlefield management system and basic assault rifles. These assets will be *permanently* deployed on duty, unlike the IAF assets which just stand there like a showpiece. It's like buying an iPhone when there is a hole in one's underwear.

Not true All three are equally important and they must be battle ready at all times.

One has to rationalize their demands with changing needs. They can't manage with a ratio of 1 : 10 for Rafale + Tejas squadrons? 1-2 Rafale in a squadron of 15-18 Tejas can act as the eyes and ears of the whole squadron with their advanced radars. Is it necessary for all 18 planes in the squadron to be Rafales?

No it can be a mix but 1-2 rafale is a squad makes no sense. I think they will be deploying 4-6 Minimum at a base

The Rafales can pick out targets and the Tejas can act as a low cost missile carrier for the Rafale to assign targets to. Even after giving them 36 Rafales in flyaway condition, still the IAF keeps planting its politically motivated "research studies" threatening a potential loss in a 2-front war.

They have no said it. they just want to be ready

This is the same elitist lobby that killed the HAL Marut by comparing it with the top of the line fighters of that time.

Trust me i am worried about Tejas

However it was, it suited our needs and granted us autonomy. If it was allowed to survived, it would have been improved and we wouldn't be having this discussion now. We are back to square one and now the IAF is back to its dirty tricks.

True .....

 

[Pulkit]

And where do you get this from? It's clear trials are going to be held around mid 2020.

I dont think they will so that as they are gonna choose from the same options.....

 

[FactsPlease]

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[vampyrbladez]

And where do you get this from? It's clear trials are going to be held around mid 2020.

http://idrw.org/mmrca-2-0-trials-will-be-short-iaf-chief/

https://bharatshakti.in/to-save-time-govt-may-bypass-field-trials-in-mmrca-2-0/

This is all a smoke screen to order Rafales provided BJP wins in 2019.

 

[Prashant12]

1. Leonardo Blacklisted.
2. Airbus under scanner.

 

[Sancho]

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[Sancho]

There is going to be no trials for MMRCA 2.0. Rafale with F4 is shoo in. EADS has stopped funding R&D for Eurofighter. All OEMs buying F 35.

Wrong on all accounts. :biggrin2:

IAF reportedly will make trials for new capabilities, that they didn't evaluated in the earlier tender and that will be available probably next year or at least in 2020 to test.

That time line will make it difficult for Rafale to present upgrades, since F4 is only planned for 2025.

You clearly don't follow EF P3E and P4E upgrade developments. Not to mention that EADS is long gone and called Airbus now, just that the companies don't fund upgrades, the partner countries are.

Only UK and Italy bought F35, since they were partners in that programme. Germany and Spain reportedly, are interested in buying new EFs, to replace Tornado and F18 Hornets.

 

[Sancho]

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[abingdonboy]

Surprised no one posted the SC verdict here. That's it. Game. Set. Match for Rafale for MMRCA 2.0.


The DM's press conference cemented this, she explicitly said more Rafale would come.

 

[Darth Malgus]

Surprised no one posted the SC verdict here. That's it. Game. Set. Match for Rafale for MMRCA 2.0.


The DM's press conference cemented this, she explicitly said more Rafale would come.

DM also mentioned that they are planning for the rest of the Rafael's of the 126 order would be under "Make in India Initiative.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Surprised no one posted the SC verdict here. That's it. Game. Set. Match for Rafale for MMRCA 2.0.


The DM's press conference cemented this, she explicitly said more Rafale would come.

Said this month's ago. Pappu got a tight slap today and has come down to earth after 2 days in orbit.

 

[abingdonboy]

DM also mentioned that they are planning for the rest of the Rafael's of the 126 order would be under "Make in India Initiative.

Absolutely. Has been the case since day 1. CONgress and their foreign interests only delayed this temporarily.

 

[Indrajit]

Absolutely. Has been the case since day 1. CONgress and their foreign interests only delayed this temporarily.

Things like this are not cut and dry. Rafale has become a political football and will continue to be so. Add American pressure and that has serious economic consequences, the picture ibecomes much more complicated.

 

[Aaj ka hero]

Said this month's ago. Pappu got a tight slap today and has come down to earth after 2 days in orbit.

Well you should watch his press conference after that decision like a visually irritated child"saying no I want this toy mommy SONIA at ANY COST"
And having that bastard kharge with him he want us to believe kharge who is heading JPC is right kharge will say what leader will say
..... like pappu says "sun rises from west" kharge "he said in a CONTEXT".
In youtube lots of people of congress mindset are already flocking and saying "all hail NEHRU EMPIRE".
Man environment there is really not good.

 

[republic_roi97]

Well you should watch his press conference after that decision like a visually irritated child"saying no I want this toy mommy SONIA at ANY COST"
And having that bastard kharge with him he want us to believe kharge who is heading JPC is right kharge will say what leader will say
..... like pappu says "sun rises from west" kharge "he said in a CONTEXT".
In youtube lots of people of congress mindset are already flocking and saying "all hail NEHRU EMPIRE".
Man environment there is really not good.

Bro just wait and watch Modi and BJP are going to hit back and hard, this time starting from Bengal, Didi's place.

 

[abingdonboy]

Things like this are not cut and dry. Rafale has become a political football and will continue to be so. Add American pressure and that has serious economic consequences, the picture ibecomes much more complicated.

It’s over. SC was the only impediment to the Rafale as a misruling on their part would’ve decimated the Rafale’s chances.

It is now firmly the front runner for more jets


I am fully confident now that MMRCA 2.0 farce will be dead in 1-2 years if Modi comes back in 2019 and the Rafale will be made in India from the early 2020s.

No amount of American pressure will change anything nor overcome the weakness of their offerings. This is a grossly ignorant comment from you I have to say, India has never bent to US pressure on procurements, the US hasn’t been pushing their F16 offer for over a decade now to be made in India etc but it seems never taken off.

 

[Darth Malgus]

Bro just wait and watch Modi and BJP are going to hit back and hard, this time starting from Bengal, Didi's place.

We'll get more seats than 2014 now since the 180 gang is delt with.

 

[Indrajit]

It’s over. SC was the only impediment to the Rafale as a misruling on their part would’ve decimated the Rafale’s chances.

It is now firmly the front runner for more jets


I am fully confident now that MMRCA 2.0 farce will be dead in 1-2 years if Modi comes back in 2019 and the Rafale will be made in India from the early 2020s.

No amount of American pressure will change anything nor overcome the weakness of their offerings. This is a grossly ignorant comment from you I have to say, India has never bent to US pressure on procurements, the US hasn’t been pushing their F16 offer for over a decade now to be made in India etc but it seems never taken off.

Nothing is over in politics. It would be an ignorant comment to assume otherwise.

As for US pressure, previous experiences simply don’t count. Indian runs a substantial surplus in trade and if the service sector were considered, a huge surplus. It would be grossly ignorant to dismiss the present US administration’s pressure on the matter.

In any case, the current economic situation and the likely stops in the next year seems to preclude any large order in the near future.

 

[abingdonboy]

Nothing is over in politics. It would be an ignorant comment to assume otherwise.

As for US pressure, previous experiences simply don’t count. Indian runs a substantial surplus in trade and if the service sector were considered, a huge surplus. It would be grossly ignorant to dismiss the present US administration’s pressure on the matter.

In any case, the current economic situation and the likely stops in the next year seems to preclude any large order in the near future.

India isn’t getting any kind of attention from the US.

It’s aj open goal for Rafale.

 

[Sancho]

The DM's press conference cemented this, she explicitly said more Rafale would come.

Wrong, she said the rest of the MMRCA requirement would come under Make in India, which directly contradicts your theory of batch orders of Rafales.