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It's clear who are the trouble makers in Ukraine... they pull hairs of Policemen, pull hairs of civilians opposed to their views, punch and kick them, and then hold and shoot automatic firearms. No doubt they were killed by their own molotov cocktails... tragic. Their biggest mistake is that they're so gullible to believe Russian propaganda.
WERE YOU BLIND TWO MONTHS BACK? You were in full support of the people fighting against police with molotov cocktail at that time?

Incredible limit of hypocrisy!!!
 
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@Akim, can you please translate what the man is saying?
It was not so, both sides are to blame, but all the same I'm ashamed that it happened in Odessa. Faced not nationalists but Pro-Ukrainian and Pro-Russian supporters. Faced two flags - Russian and Ukrainian.This fire, I saw from the window of his house. At this time the investigation is underway and will be given the results. Yet who is to blame too early to say. Russian TV channels are specially "exaggerate", because that is the information war, that Ukraine loses.
 
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Verified victims of massacre in Odessa (Info on 5th May).

1. Andrei Biryukov , born in 1978 - Gunshot wound .
2 . Brazhevsky Andrew - jumped out of the burning house unions , beaten to death already on the ground .
3 . Bullakh Victor , 1956 - Crashed , falling from windows House of Trade Unions .
4 . Varenikina Anna , born in 1955 - Died in the fire .
5 . Gunn Victor , born in 1962, the poet - died in the fire.
5 . Egorsky Nicholas, born in 1976 - Gunshot wound .
6. Zhulkov Alexander , born in 1968 - Gunshot wound .
7. Igor Ivanov , born in 1987 - Gunshot wound .
8. Kalin Anatoly - died in the fire.
9. Kostyukhin Sergey, born in 1967, was in the House of Trade Unions ;
10 . Vyacheslav Markin , born in 1969 , 44 years old , member of the Odessa Regional Council - died in hospital.
11. Sergey Mishin , 28 years old - died in the fire.
12. Negaturov Vadim V. , 1959 , 54, Odessa poet - died in hospital.
13. Nikitenko Maxim , born in 1982 - Crashed after falling from the window of House of Trade Unions .
14. Gennady Petrov , born 1985 - Gunshot wound .
15. Sadovnichii Alexander , 1954 - Died in the fire.
16. Gennady (name to be confirmed , about 30 years old) - died in the fire.

kolokoll: Майская бойня: список погибших 2 мая (обновляется)
The list will be updated.

Total number of victims is expected to be more than 100 people. Official version is believed to be based on a number of bodies found on the first floor.

Now some personal opinion. This well-planned mass-murder aims to translate a civilian confrontation in Ukraine into a conflict with implacable hostility and no compromises possible.
Nazi Guard in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk is doing the same thing - killing civilians to provoke self-defense forces to open fire against regular Ukrainian army units.

To this moment stand-offs between army units and local population end like this:
By the agreement of both sides military men shoot their ammo into the air and fall back.
 
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@Akim...: hope u and your family/friends are safe.
My wife with a child from the parents in another city, and I also take an active position.
When by day began fighting in the city centre, through social networks went to watchword and to the place of the battle came Odessites. I was bandaging the wounded, drive them by car to the hospital, at night I donated blood. The second part of the battle, which was on the place"Kulikovo field" , I only saw the window and on TV online.
 

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Huge fighting is taking place on the outskirts of Slavyansk. Ukranian troops are using tanks, helicopters and artillery. Self-defense forces have many wounded.


Explosion of a gasoline station.
 
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Self-defense forces have many wounded.
Where Self-defense? And Chechens who fought on the side of Ichkeria, you also named patriots or terrorists?

P.S. I think it was the insurgents - terrorists, who fought against the state - the Russian Federation. Why do you need other standards? Moreover, Chechnya had more legitimate. It was a Republic, which was legislatively fixed in the Russian Constitution.
 
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I don't know. I have heard some disturbing news.

We will never know what is true, and even if true, western media will not report it.
So In other words:
even now - when true is well known* - You are not able to admite the posted by You rumors where tottal fake.
You start to be russian propaganda tube on DFI what is trully sad :(
Just try to be ballanced in yours "sources" or "news".
You had posted propaganda BS from Russia and now, after month, you are unable to admit that it was nonsense...


*the truth about lack of any polish army mobilization and concentration near estern borders of my country
 
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Akim said:
Cadian said:
Self-defense forces have many wounded.
Where Self-defense? And Chechens who fought on the side of Ichkeria, you also named patriots or terrorists?

P.S. I think it was the insurgents - terrorists, who fought against the state - the Russian Federation. Why do you need other standards? Moreover, Chechnya had more legitimate. It was a Republic, which was legislatively fixed in the Russian Constitution.
Oh, I see analogies with Checnya are quite popular.
Let's discuss ^_^

Chechnya had a little period of independence from 1995 to 1999 and we had an opportunity to see what happen when Chechens are left on their own.
All it's territory was cleared from Russian population - even Grozny city that had a majority of Russians before 1994. Someone killed, someone fled.
And what?
This "republic" became a center of slavery and human trafficking, drug and weapons trading, banditism, Muslim radical doctrines where spread by preachers from Turkey and Saudi Arabia. All state institutes were destroyed, the level of culture had fallen to it's natural condition - the condition of highlander tribes.

And it ended up with an assault on Dagestan by radical armies, who were inspired by the idea of Great Caucasus Khalifat.
Separatism is not the greatest "sin" in this case, there are a plenty of other reasons to call armed insurgents in Chechnya terrorists.

There are civilized examples of separatists - Scotland, Catalonia, Land of Basks, Venice and others.
Well, they don't use arms, but the situation is different.

There is only ONE reason why people in East Ukraine took arms. It's illegitimate and armed seizure of power in Kiev by Ukrainian nationalists and US puppets, who want to make Ukraine policy radically anti-Russian. They had not voted for this, they don't like the appointment of new oligarch-governors, they don't like incorporation of nazi organisations into the state institutes and they don't want to loose their jobs just because their factories "should not work to strengthen the ENEMY".
 
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There is only ONE reason why people in East Ukraine took arms. It's illegitimate and armed seizure of power in Kiev by Ukrainian nationalists and US puppets, who want to make Ukraine policy radically anti-Russian. They had not voted for this, they don't like the appointment of new oligarch-governors, they don't like incorporation of nazi organisations into the state institutes and they don't want to loose their jobs just because their factories "should not work to strengthen the ENEMY".
I am a Russian. Speak Russian, but my country - Ukraine. I grew up in Donetsk, live in Odessa and here nobody harassed. I do not need Putin's protection.
And about the banditry is only the beginning. Chechnya received it after the war. About it in Russian TV channels are not told, but on the week, with auto show in Kramatorsk, stole 17 car. On Thursday, shooting the wheels of the trolleybus with people in Donetsk. On Sunday, in Lugansk, stole collector car with a million UAH. On the same day, in Makeyevka shooting bus. Criminals do not have a nationality and the weapons they are so easy now not give up. "Right Sector" in the same example, but in Western Ukraine had not raised at the administrative buildings of the flags of foreign States. And not burned national flags.
 
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There is only ONE reason why people in East Ukraine took arms. It's illegitimate and armed seizure of power in Kiev by Ukrainian nationalists and US puppets, who want to make Ukraine policy radically anti-Russian. They had not voted for this, they don't like the appointment of new oligarch-governors, they don't like incorporation of nazi organisations into the state institutes and they don't want to loose their jobs just because their factories "should not work to strengthen the ENEMY".

Sure, euro-majdan in Kiev is not "estern part goverment" (it's not goverment for estern regions) but from the other sides - Crimea invasion and anshluss was the trigger or rather ignitator which start ukrianian colpase.
And Crimea invasion and anshluss was not the aim but way to achive some other -more importnat target - colpase of the Ukriane and make this country extremly divided, broken, antagonized, and beeeing extrely "weak" and not welcome possible partner for UE.

In fact extremly stupid "majdan goverment" politics just help to colpase Ukraina - becouse discrimination of russian language Ukrainian citizens was stupid and forced in to "pro Russia" way. BUT solution was quite simple (but whit IQ equal to 18 and 88 it's dificult to take it) - just copied UE (EU) law system in case minoriteis to secure russain language part of the society - like on Latva, Estionia or other countries in EU.

Sad story.
 

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Akim, all the facts that you have provided could be true and likely they are. These are typical companions of a civil war. And similar to militarysta, I think that the "new government" did every single thing to provoke the rebellion in the East. Their first step was cancelling the "regional" status of Russian language. I suspect even more - they are not idiots and these unrest was their true target.

But what I can't agree with is this statement:
And Crimea invasion and anshluss was not the aim but way to achive some other -more importnat target - colpase of the Ukriane and make this country extremly divided, broken, antagonized, and beeeing extrely "weak" and not welcome possible partner for UE.
1) We could look to Yanukivoch agreements with Russia before Euro-maidan - they shows our government wanted Ukraine to remain neutral and have a strong cooperation in some key aspects like space, aircraft building, ship building and some others. That was no doubt the most preferable option for us.

2) I can recall you that Yatsenyuk refused to sign the Association with EU for the very same reasons that Yanukivoch did.

3) There were strong fears that Kiev will send radicals to Crimea and they will do something like they recently did in Odessa. Also, there was a strong desire of Crimeans to reunite with Russia. This reasons were enough for known decision, I don't think Putin wanted to ruin Ukraine by this.

4) Ships and military equipment from Crimea were returning to Ukraine. This process was halted only after "anti-terror operation" has began.

5) Divided, broken, antagonized Ukraine is a pain in the a** both for Russia and for the EU. But not for the USA. There is a good opinion about this which definitely worth reading:

American dollar rescue strategy: break the economic cooperation between Russia and Europe through the crucible of war in Ukraine

Already hardly anyone does not recognize the main geopolitical axiom today Ukraine has become a bridge redistribution of spheres of influence of economic and political interests of the EU, the U.S. and Russia.

And the events that are happening now in the country, more evidence that the ground for a fundamental change in the competitive global players (U.S. and Russia) Ukraine was not chosen randomly.

Recall that country are the main energy routes connecting Europe with the Eurasian continent. Therefore, in order to fully control the energy flows and tie together two economies (Europe - USA) under the dominance of the dollar, and the Americans have taken long-planned sabotage against Ukraine on familiar scenario: the creation of the country's "controlled chaos" through the impenetrable barrier of disagreements between Russia and Ukraine.

I think we should always use a technique known since the days of ancient Rome: "Who benefits?". To benefit from the world's top players the situation now in Ukraine? Is looking for, for example, it Europe, the U.S., Russia, and possibly some other players? Which of them is most strongly interested in such developments?

The answer is simple: who is directly interested in the resolution of global problems of our time - economic and geopolitical priorities - and he will play a major role in the events. And the main problem today - resolving the financial issues that have arisen over the past decade in the United States.

U.S. through extraordinary measures "Ukrainian question"

Public debt at "world policeman", as we said earlier, is 17 trillion dollars, and he "sword of Damocles" hanging over the U.S. economy, which could lead to a global crisis. A collapse of its currency - a complete collapse for America and for the world's production, which is tied tightly dollar. Naturally, this situation is clearly not happy with the U.S., however, fearing unforeseen negative processes - economic decline, falling living standards in many countries, political changes in the state system - Americans understand that the script will not pass them by. Especially when the world is full of weapons, hatred, misunderstanding, and can go to war for the redivision of spheres of influence. Worst-case scenario - if the hands of a group of people will get nuclear weapons.

Executive Director of the "Institute for Global Perspectives" at Columbia University, Professor, Ph.D. Paul Christie, an employee of the U.S. national security, in a recent interview with German media specifically and tightly explained further American policy in solving their financial problems through other countries. In particular, through the "Ukrainian question".

He explained that the U.S. should take this extraordinary measure, comparable only to that of the global cataclysm. But - paradoxically - in a peaceful way. Here's how wisely overseas. That is NOT arrange global carnage in which you can burn themselves, but to provoke local wars, incite each other nearby countries that hinder States in the resolution of global financial strategy - control over economic resources.

Experts say that you need to find "a chance to repay their debts without a significant decline of their population level for others, no matter how cynical it sounds ...".

And further: "... no country in the world could not do this without being turned into a desert. Therefore it is necessary to organize the event to the whole world, every country in varying degrees, have become involved in the resolution of financial distress in America. "

Understandably, the United States needs new markets, comparable with them. And so the market is Europe, which cooperates closely / collaborated with Russia. Consequently, our overseas Democrats need to find a way by which one could discover this "gold mine." Simply put, America - at any cost - you need to connect the two main economy of the planet: its European and - with the reorientation of course, on the transatlantic.

This project started to be developed in the 90s. And the most successful card for playing their combinations was Ukraine. Here and think is not necessary - it's a fact that everyone knows, but for some reason do not want to talk openly. But America is not afraid to say about it.

Here are the words of Paul Christie:

"... It was necessary to create a situation in Europe that the Europeans themselves have refused to energy cooperation with Russia and other energy suppliers and tied to its economic interest in energy supplies from the United States."

This, of course, very profitable Europe, but Christie recalled German colleagues that the U.S. has always helped Europe and played an important role in rebuilding its economy after World War II. So today, given the importance of the moment, Europe must help rebuild the American economy. Ukraine's role - to dissolve Europe with Russia

As is clear, the EU should abandon Russian economic ties and switch to the active phase of cooperation with the United States. And the role of Ukraine, according to the same expert, is designed for a different purpose. Will it fall apart or single - it has absolutely no value to address the underlying problem. The main task of the events in Ukraine - Europe diluted with Russia so that Europeans have completely refused to cooperate with it and, as already mentioned, have reoriented their economies to cooperate fully with the United States.

Paul Christie without pragmatic cynicism says: "Ukraine only means by which it is possible to solve all problems without dragging the world into another world war. She plays the role of the dam, which will interrupt the European co-operation with Russia. And what there is order, form of government - it is absolutely not interesting questions. "

It turns out that the task of the global economy from a situation of default of the U.S. currency forced crook - through "lessons in democracy", introduction to "evrotsennostyam" internal conflict and bloodshed - to play Ukraine. And over time, only our people will know how his tragic fate in the possible formation of a new order in Europe.

Recall stabilization of the situation in Ukraine did not profitable States. Managing through the chaos is much more profitable, especially with the support of the "change in the country" by the new government.

And because the media constantly talking about the growth of tension in Ukraine, about violence and cruelty perpetrated from outside to Europe is ripe to break. "Let the Europeans shake from a possible Russian invasion - creating the image unceremonious Russian ready for any adventure, from provocative flyby USS nomination and ending armada of Russian tanks to the borders of the Baltic states and Ukraine, should be devoted to now all of our media activities" - sums up Dr. philosophy from California.

And one more important fact. Agreement of February 21, when the leaders of the Ukrainian opposition and representatives of France, Germany and Poland signed an agreement with Yanukovych on early presidential elections in Ukraine, were doomed to failure to comply. If this arrangement was realized, the strife in Ukraine could begin to subside, and then about any rupture of economic relations between Ukraine and Russia could not be considered. Consequently, it was necessary to break the rough agreement that was done.

Now we can draw the following conclusions.

First, America in Ukraine is solely for their own selfish interests to create a situation in Europe, which would allow the U.S. to overcome the current financial crisis and remain the world economic leader, keeping the dollar as the world currency. This process is now struggling hard Russian connecting links with China.

Second, America's actions are aimed at creating such a ruling regime in Ukraine, where the stable energy supplies from Russia to Europe would have been impossible.

Third, the purpose of U.S. actions in Ukraine - shut economic cooperation between Europe and Russia, forcing Europeans to completely shift to the U.S. market.
CypLive - American dollar rescue strategy: break the economic cooperation between Russia and Europe through the crucible of war in Ukraine
 

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3) There were strong fears that Kiev will send radicals to Crimea and they will do something like they recently did in Odessa.
I am the participant of the events of confrontation in the "Greek pl." of 2 may. (worked as an orderly). There were mainly odessites. Moreover, they were on different sides of the fence. But, what then made on the "Kulikovo field" - this is monstrous. But the fire from automatic arms started at the Greek plaza. There killed a 6 Pro-Ukrainian activists.
 

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Example of Ukraine should remind our so called intellectuals about harmfulness of diversity which they champion with all their might. More diverse a nation is, more are its chances of being in chaos. Just imagine if Ukraine had no speaker of Russian, would all this trouble have started?
In India, you have to champion diversity and if you do not you are"breaking the nation" when it is diversity that breaks the nation, ethnic uniformity is crux to nation building.
 

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Akim said:
I am the participant of the events of confrontation in the "Greek pl." of 2 may. (worked as an orderly). There were mainly odessites. Moreover, they were on different sides of the fence. But, what then made on the "Kulikovo field" - this is monstrous. But the fire from automatic arms started at the Greek plaza. There killed a 6 Pro-Ukrainian activists.
YES, this was a provocation same style as sniper shooting on Institutskaya in Kiev.

Photo evidence is present.

Provokers with weapons acting among policemen:





Provokers receive instructions from police officer.


Dmitry Fuchedzhi, appointed by junta to the post of head of the Odessa police department after the massacre.
Believed to be one of the main organisers. Promised to end with separatists in the city and thanked radicals for their help.


From here: Анализ произошедшего в Одессе 2 мая | Николай Стариков
 

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@Akim, please stay safe and keep your family safe. Stay away from flash-points.
 
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So In other words:
even now - when true is well known* - You are not able to admite the posted by You rumors where tottal fake.
You start to be russian propaganda tube on DFI what is trully sad :(
Just try to be ballanced in yours "sources" or "news".
You had posted propaganda BS from Russia and now, after month, you are unable to admit that it was nonsense...


*the truth about lack of any polish army mobilization and concentration near estern borders of my country
I am sorry, I am not going to admit anything. I did not make an unsupported claim. I posted a source. You denied it. End of story.

Can you confirm the other source that I presented, which said that Sikorsky, the Polish Ambassador, arranged for several neo-Nazi Right Sector radicals to travel to Poland under the excuse of "student exchange" and were given arms training, and that the case is now in front of the prosecutor of Poland presented by anti-Nazi Poles?
 

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Do not be misled by the name, "The Moscow Times". It is a pro-Western English media outlet owned by a Finnish company.
I know. It is an anti-Putin Moscow and St. Petersburg based Finnish owned newspaper.

I think it is wise of Putin to allow its publication, for the following two reasons:
  1. It shuts the mouths of those that accuse Putin of not allowing dissent.
  2. It shows Putin his flaws, and allows him to be cautious in whatever he does.
 

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'They need only blood': Slavyansk woman killed by sniper fire on her balcony (GRAPHIC)

A 30-year-old civilian woman died after being shot in the head by sniper fire while standing on her balcony in Slavyansk. RT's Paula Slier visited shocked relatives of the victim, who say a Ukrainian army sniper is responsible, though they don't know why.
Source: http://rt.com/news/156964-sniper-killed-woman-slavyansk/
 
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