Massive Protest in Hong Kong against China

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Yue Chinese, Chinese language used primarily in southern part of China such as Guangdong, Guangxi, Hainan, Hong Kong, and Macau that includes and is commonly conflated with Cantonese.

The Baiyue, Hundred Yue or Yue is a term denoting various partly Sinicized or un-Sinicized peoples who inhabited southern China and northern Vietnam.

So Vietnamese are also Chinese?

No,they are not.

They kicked the Chinese (Han imperialists and expansionists) out by the TrÆ°ng Sisters before you did you wipe out demographic experiment.

I would not be surprised if the Tibetans and the Uighurs kick out the Han like the TrÆ°ng Sisters!
no 1s called chinese or han if he isnt.....like in 1962 we got some 2 or 3 thousand pows from india and we called them indians.....in korean war no american and in vietnam war no vietamese pows were called chinese too.....just for u info....
 

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1 brainwahing should always avoided.....cpc is being wrong in this field....for example they refuse to admit they were wrong in jun 4th event.......i never said otherwise here.....but if the text book thing is a brainwashing issue needs more evidence......

What more evidence is required when so many are marching and protesting against it?

2 hong kong used to be a colony of the UK as u see....so when chinese gov took over hong kong again some problems indeed took place....for example queens birthday used to be a public holiday in hk....people in mainland were not fond of that and some hong kong people liked that.....some stuff like that....seems to be minor but it changed people habits so could be big issue.....
So,doesn't it prove that the British rule was better than the Chinese Communist one.

India was under the British too, but we don't take out protest that we like the British rule.

How is it that Chinese love the British rule and you all say we are still fond of the colonial ruler just because we ALSO speak English and of which you are jealous.,
 
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1 how many people portesting in kashmir.....what r they saying??? its not about how many people coz there r much more who dont protest....does that mean they agree something???any thing needs evidence.....especially something may take place during a long pireod so the thing could be complicated....just like if u claimming chinese equipments resulted in indian massive power failure i cant say u r wrong and i only asked u to provide evidence......got it???

2 never jelous of india....u r happy to join british led commenwealth and that alone makes me feel weird??how come???
 

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when???....specificly?? like a conversion from islam to hindu???
Hey!

I will not waste my time on you any more.

You are totally an illiterate.

How can you teach A B C D to a total illiterate on a forum?

Hindus cannot be converts.

You have to be BORN a Hindu!
 

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1 brainwahing should always be avoided.....cpc is being wrong in this field....for example they refuse to admit they were wrong in jun 4th event.......i never said otherwise here.....but if the text book thing is a brainwashing issue needs more evidence......
Is Tienanmen square issue the only cover up in Chinese text books? How did you come to know about it? Were there any other issues did you find?

2 hong kong used to be a colony of the UK as u see....so when chinese gov took over hong kong again some problems indeed took place....for example queens birthday used to be a public holiday in hk....people in mainland were not fond of that and some hong kong people liked that.....some stuff like that....seems to be minor but it changed people habits so could be big issue.....
What was the fundamental difference between ML Chinese and HK administration? Apart from the holiday issue on British Queen's birthday which you have eloquently explained.
 
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1 how many people portesting in kashmir.....what r they saying??? its not about how many people coz there r much more who dont protest....does that mean they agree something???any thing needs evidence.....especially something may take place during a long pireod so the thing could be complicated....just like if u claimming chinese equipments resulted in indian massive power failure i cant say u r wrong and i only asked u to provide evidence......got it???

2 never jelous of india....u r happy to join british led commenwealth and that alone makes me feel weird??how come???
Yes, how many?

You tell us.

Hong Kong chaps are protesting with foreign assistance?

What a clot.

Kowtowing to the English language and acting coy.

But then, Chinese are masters of subterfuge and obfuscations!
 

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What was the fundamental difference between ML Chinese and HK administration? Apart from the holiday issue on British Queen's birthday which you have eloquently explained.
Freedom to be what one wants to be!

And not being robotic tattoos!

Imagine if someone wants to celebrate the Queen's birthday, how disgusted they must be of this great Chinese Power to the Proletariat by selling your basic rights and your brains!
 
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Hey!

I will not waste my time on you any more.

You are totally an illiterate.

How can you teach A B C D to a total illiterate on a forum?

Hindus cannot be converts.

You have to be BORN a Hindu!
han also cant be converted to or from....

chinese citizenship can be applied under some sirccustance according to law.....
 

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Note: When Mao was alive none dared criticise him.

when he was dead, Deng got courage to bleat that Mao was 70% bright and 30% right.

Even Deng shat in his pants to give the percentage!

Fear consumed society!
 

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Yes, how many?

You tell us.

Hong Kong chaps are protesting with foreign assistance?

What a clot.

Kowtowing to the English language and acting coy.

But then, Chinese are masters of subterfuge and obfuscations!
every protest in kashmir since occupied by indians had different numbers of protesters.....which 1 u r refering to??

like this:Kashmir protests erupt into violence after government troops kill four | World news | guardian.co.uk it states tens of thousands....

when did i say foreign assistance in hk protest??



british rule has its pros to some extent but chinese rule now is also doing good especially considering all the key posts of current hk gov r chaired by hong kong chinese.....
 

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han also cant be converted to or from....

chinese citizenship can be applied under some sirccustance according to law.....
Sinicization, Sinicisation or Sinification, (in Mandarin: 中国化 Zhōngguóhuà or 汉化 Hànhuà) is the cultural assimilation of terms of the language and culture

In more general contexts, Sinicization refers to the process of "becoming Chinese" or "becoming Han".

The term has been used in social science primarily to describe the assimilation of non-Han Chinese peoples (such as the Manchus) into the Chinese identity.

Turkic Peoples

Descendants of Uyghurs who migrated to Taoyuan County, Hunan have largely assimilated into the Han Chinese and Hui population and practice Chinese customs, speaking Chinese as their language

Tang dynasty

During the 8th and 9th centuries in the Tang dynasty, Chinese soldiers moved into Guizhou (Kweichow) and married native women, their descendants are known as Lao-han-jen (original Chinese), in contrast to new Chinese who colonized Guizhou at later times. They still speak an archaic dialect. Many immigrants to Guizhou were descended from these soldiers in garrisons who married non-Chinese women.

Ming Dynasty

Massive military campaigns were launched by the Ming dynasty during the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty) against the southern aboriginal Miao, Yao, and other tribes, settled thousands of Han and Hui in their land after crushing and killing the aboriginals.

During the Ming conquest of Yunnan Chinese military soldiers were settled in Yunnan, and many married the native women.

Qing dynasty

The Manchu people started sinicizing during the Qing dynasty. They originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

Manchu names consisted of more than the two or one syllable Chinese names, and when phonetically translited into Chinese, they made no sense at all. The meaning of the names that Manchus used were also very different from the meanings of Chinese names. The Manchus also gave numbers as personal names.

They gave their children Chinese names which were separate from the Manchu names, and even adopted the Chinese practice of generation names, although its usage was inconsistent and error ridden, eventually they stopped using Manchu names.

The Niohuru family of the Manchu changed their family name to Lang, which sounded like "wolf" in Chinese, since wolf in Manchu was Niohuru.

Although the Manchus replaced their Manchu names with Chinese personal names, the Manchu bannermen followed their traditional practice in typically used their first/personal name to address themselves and not their last name, while Han Chinese bannermen used their last name and first in normal Chinese style

Usage of surnames was not traditional to the Manchu while it was to the Han Chinese.

Xinjiang

The Chinese Muslim 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) governed southern Xinjiang in 1934–1937. The administration which was set up was colonial in nature, the Chinese Muslims started putting up street signs and names in Chinese, which used to be in only Uighur language. They wanted to live as much of a life like Chinese, importing Chinese cooks and baths. The Chinese Muslims also switched carpet patterns from Uyghur to Chinese in state owned carpet factories.


Tibet

The sinicization of Tibet is the change of Tibetan society to Han Chinese standards, by means of cultural assimilation, immigration, and political reform
 

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han also cant be converted to or from....

chinese citizenship can be applied under some sirccustance according to law.....
Sinicization, Sinicisation or Sinification, (in Mandarin: 中国化 Zhōngguóhuà or 汉化 Hànhuà) is the cultural assimilation of terms of the language and culture

In more general contexts, Sinicization refers to the process of "becoming Chinese" or "becoming Han".

The term has been used in social science primarily to describe the assimilation of non-Han Chinese peoples (such as the Manchus) into the Chinese identity.

Turkic Peoples

Descendants of Uyghurs who migrated to Taoyuan County, Hunan have largely assimilated into the Han Chinese and Hui population and practice Chinese customs, speaking Chinese as their language

Tang dynasty

During the 8th and 9th centuries in the Tang dynasty, Chinese soldiers moved into Guizhou (Kweichow) and married native women, their descendants are known as Lao-han-jen (original Chinese), in contrast to new Chinese who colonized Guizhou at later times. They still speak an archaic dialect. Many immigrants to Guizhou were descended from these soldiers in garrisons who married non-Chinese women.

Ming Dynasty

Massive military campaigns were launched by the Ming dynasty during the Miao Rebellions (Ming Dynasty) against the southern aboriginal Miao, Yao, and other tribes, settled thousands of Han and Hui in their land after crushing and killing the aboriginals.

During the Ming conquest of Yunnan Chinese military soldiers were settled in Yunnan, and many married the native women.

Qing dynasty

The Manchu people started sinicizing during the Qing dynasty. They originally had their own separate style of naming from the Han Chinese, but eventually adopted Han Chinese naming practices.

Manchu names consisted of more than the two or one syllable Chinese names, and when phonetically translited into Chinese, they made no sense at all. The meaning of the names that Manchus used were also very different from the meanings of Chinese names. The Manchus also gave numbers as personal names.

They gave their children Chinese names which were separate from the Manchu names, and even adopted the Chinese practice of generation names, although its usage was inconsistent and error ridden, eventually they stopped using Manchu names.

The Niohuru family of the Manchu changed their family name to Lang, which sounded like "wolf" in Chinese, since wolf in Manchu was Niohuru.

Although the Manchus replaced their Manchu names with Chinese personal names, the Manchu bannermen followed their traditional practice in typically used their first/personal name to address themselves and not their last name, while Han Chinese bannermen used their last name and first in normal Chinese style

Usage of surnames was not traditional to the Manchu while it was to the Han Chinese.

Xinjiang

The Chinese Muslim 36th Division (National Revolutionary Army) governed southern Xinjiang in 1934–1937. The administration which was set up was colonial in nature, the Chinese Muslims started putting up street signs and names in Chinese, which used to be in only Uighur language. They wanted to live as much of a life like Chinese, importing Chinese cooks and baths. The Chinese Muslims also switched carpet patterns from Uyghur to Chinese in state owned carpet factories.


Tibet

The sinicization of Tibet is the change of Tibetan society to Han Chinese standards, by means of cultural assimilation, immigration, and political reform

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So, don't fib around!
 

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Is Tienanmen square issue the only cover up in Chinese text books? How did you come to know about it? Were there any other issues did you find?



What was the fundamental difference between ML Chinese and HK administration? Apart from the holiday issue on British Queen's birthday which you have eloquently explained.
1 tiananmen is an importan issue so i said that....minor issues were like some protests in different areas of prc......i know it coz many chinese r using internet and so we can find info.

2 the biggest difference is written in the law of prc and hk respectively.....prc is socialism and hk capitalism....which is what i think the biggest difference....
 

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no tibetans r forcely converted to hans.....no minorities r forcely converted to hans as well.......some become hans because of marriage.....thats not conversion.......and the word assimilate is correct i assume......
 

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Sinicization of Tibet

The sinicization of Tibet is the change of Tibetan society and culture since the People's Liberation Army invasion of Tibet in 1950 to better resemble that of the Han Chinese, by means of cultural assimilation, migration, and political reform. Sinicization on the one hand is an inevitable consequence of the presence of a large number of Han Chinese in Tibet and on the other hand an active policy of the central government of the People's Republic of China. The active policy intends to make Tibet an integral part of China and allegedly control any desire for Tibetan self-determination. The government of China portrays this policy as beneficial to Tibet as political, social and economic reforms have been implemented. However, the government of Tibet in exile alleges that the consequence of this policy is the disappearance of certain elements of Tibetan culture, sometimes termed cultural genocide.

Early Developments

In the decades after the collapse of Qing Dynasty and preceding 1950, the region roughly corresponding to the modern day TAR was a de facto independent nation. It also printed its own currency and postage, and conducted international relations with foreign countries. It claimed three provinces Amdo, Kham, and Ü-Tsang (but had only control of west Kham and Ü-Tsang). Since 1950, China reorganized the area somewhat, by making east Kham part of Sichuan, and west Kham part of the newly established Tibet Autonomous Region.

During the Republic of China era following the fall of the Qing Dynasty in the early 20th century, the Chinese Muslim General Ma Bufang, warlord and Governor of Qinghai is accused by Tibetans of having carrying out Sinicization and Islamification policies in Tibetan areas, spreading along Chinese holidays like New Year and Chinese celebrations along with the Islamic religion and making them marry non Tibetans. Forced conversion and heavy taxes were reported under his rule.

China calls the entry of its army into Tibet in 1950 a "peaceful liberation"; the government of Tibet in exile calls it an "invasion" and "colonization". However, the Chinese government points to population increases and quality of life improvements as justifications for their assertion of power in the historically Chinese-claimed region.

Prior to the invasion, the economy of Tibet was dominated by subsistence agriculture. Thus, the stationing of 35,000 Chinese troops in the 1950s weighed heavily on the food supplies in Tibet. At Tenzin Gyatso, 14th Dalai Lama's visit to Mao Zedong in Beijing in 1954, Mao informed him that he would migrate 40,000 Chinese farmers to Tibet.

In the 1960s, as part of Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward, Chinese authorities forced Tibetan farmers to cultivate maize instead of barley, the traditional crop of the Himalaya region. However, like many of the policies implemented during the Great Leap Forward, the decision proved to be disastrous, resulting in the failing of the harvest and the starving of thousands of Tibetans.[9][10]

Cultural Revolution

The Cultural Revolution was a revolution involving students and laborers of the Chinese communist party that was initiated by Mao and was carried on by the Gang of Four between 1966 and 1976 with the intention of preserving Maoism as the leading ideology of China. It was an inter-party struggle to eliminate political opposition against Mao.

The Cultural Revolution affected the whole of China and Tibet suffered greatly as a result. Red Guards attacked civilians who were branded traitors to communism. Thousands of monasteries were looted and destroyed. Monks and nuns were forced to leave their monasteries to "live a normal life", while those who resisted were imprisoned. Prisoners were forced into hard labor, tortured, and executed. The Potala Palace was nearly harmed, but the intervention of Premier Zhou Enlai prevented the Tibetan Red Guards from causing damage.

Migration into Tibet

China's "national strategic project to develop the West", launched in the 80s-90s, encourages the migration of Chinese people from other regions of China into Tibet, luring them there with attractive bonuses and favorable living conditions. Often, people volunteer to be sent there as teachers, doctors and administrators to assist in the development of Tibet. Citing the low quality of the labour force and less-developed infrastructure, the Chinese government has encouraged a in-flow of migrants to stimulate competition and to transform Tibet from a traditional planned economy to a market economy in line with the rest of China.

Since the end of the 1990s there have come to be more Chinese than Tibetans in Greater Tibet (but still a minority in the designated Tibetan Autonomous Region). As of 2003, the population consisted of an estimated 6 million ethnic Tibetans and 7.5 million non-Tibetans of different ethnic groups.

In 1949, there were between 300 and 400 Chinese residents in Lhasa. In 1950, the town covered fewer than 3 square kilometres and harboured around 30,000 inhabitants. The Potala Palace and the village of Zhöl below it were considered separate from the city at the time. In 1953, according to the first population census, Lhasa numbered about 30,000 residents, including 4,000 beggars and not counting the 15,000 monks.

By 1992, Lhasa's permanent population was estimated at a little under 140,000 people, including 96,431 Tibetans, 40,387 Han Chinese and 2,998 sundry. To that figure must be added something like 60,000 and 80,000 temporary residents, for the most part Tibetan pilgrims and traders. In 2008, Lhasa had 400,000 people, with a majority still being Tibetan.

The 2008 attacks by Tibetans on Han and Hui owned property were allegedly due to large amounts of them moving into Tibet. George Fitzherbert has said that, "Tibetans complain of being robbed of their dignity in their homeland by having their genuinely loved leader incessantly denounced, and of being swamped by Chinese immigration to the point of becoming a minority in their own country."

The Chinese government has put significant resources into the development of Tibet. In 2009, the Chinese government invested over $3 billion into the region, 31% more than was invested in 2008. One of the most significant investments is the construction of the Qinghai-Tibet Railway, completed in 2006 at a cost of $3.68 billion, leading to an increase of tourists coming from the rest of China. The Shanghai government contributed $8.6 million to the construction of the Tibet Shanghai Experimental School, where 1500 Tibetan students receive an education exclusively in Chinese, with the exception of Tibetan language courses. Some young Tibetans feel that they are both Tibetans and Chinese and are fluent in both Tibetan and Mandarin.

Controversy

In 1989, Robert Badinter, a high-profile French criminal lawyer, participated in a well-known French television program devoted to human rights, Apostrophes, in the presence of the 14th Dalaï Lama. Talking about the disappearance of the Tibetan culture in Tibet, Robert Badinter used the term "cultural genocide". Later on, and for the first time in 1993, the Dalaï Lama used the same term, "cultural genocide", to describe the destruction of the Tibetan culture. More recently, at the time of 2008 Tibetan unrest, he accused the Chinese of Cultural genocide in their crackdown.

In 2008, professor Robert Barnett, director of the Program for Tibetan Studies at Columbia University, stated that it was time for accusations of cultural genocide to be dropped: "I think we have to get over any suggestion that the Chinese are ill-intentioned or trying to wipe out Tibet." He also voiced his doubts in a book review he published in the New York Review of Books:"Why, if Tibetan culture within Tibet is being 'fast erased from existence', [do] so many Tibetans within Tibet still appear to have a more vigorous cultural life, with over a hundred literary magazines in Tibetan, than their exile counterparts?"

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no tibetans r forcely converted to hans.....no minorities r forcely converted to hans as well.......some become hans because of marriage.....thats not conversion.......and the word assimilate is correct i assume......
What are you doing now?

It is Cultural Genocide and forcible making them accept the silly Han business!
 

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1 tiananmen is an importan issue so i said that....minor issues were like some protests in different areas of prc......i know it coz many chinese r using internet and so we can find info.
I am not talking about the protests per se but the cover ups. Did you find out about cover ups in the history? Death of millions in 60s and 70s in China due to Govt policies? Did you find out about censorships?
Did it occur to you that all this cover ups and censorship is to hide some truths from the people? You are on internet, did you ever find that out?

What is happening in HK is directly linked to that.
 

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I am not talking about the protests per se but the cover ups. Did you find out about cover ups in the history? Death of millions in 60s and 70s in China due to Govt policies? Did you find out about censorships?
Did it occur to you that all this cover ups and censorship is to hide some truths from the people? You are on internet, did you ever find that out?

What is happening in HK is directly linked to that.
i think i know my history better than u do.....

i m sure u know your history better than me as well.....just like u must believe china got seat in UNSC coz nehru gave it to china.....never mind....i dont have that many questions like u do my indian friend......what u know and not know actually is not my business......
 

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i think i know my history better than u do.....

i m sure u know your history better than me as well.....just like u must believe china got seat in UNSC coz nehru gave it to china.....never mind....i dont have that many questions like u do my indian friend......what u know and not know actually is not my business......
Offtopic: Whatever Nehru did for UNSC is NOT taught in our history, hence so much speculation on the subject. But we are not talking about Indian history.

We are discussing cover ups and brainwashing China does and HK's protests against it. You haven't answered my question.

I am not talking about the protests per se but the cover ups. Did you find out about cover ups in the history? Death of millions in 60s and 70s in China due to Govt policies? Did you find out about censorships?
Did it occur to you that all this cover ups and censorship is to hide some truths from the people? You are on internet, did you ever find that out?
 

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