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First Indian producer of the material, which is imported from China, Israel and Norway


New Delhi: Gujarat State Fertilizers and Chemicals India Ltd (GSFC NSE 1.43 %) on Friday launched an indigenous variety of calcium nitrate and boronated calcium nitrate. Minister of State for Chemicals
 

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Evidently an Indian company fully built and commissioned this plant.


Commissioned by Inox Air Products, one of the largest producers of medical and industrial gases, the newly constructed Modinagar plant can produce 150 tonnes of liquid oxygen per day.
 

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Thoughts???
Same chink phones imported, except not in CBU form but CKD form and assembled here now, which will be cheaper than BBK or Xiaomeme phones BOM-wise, but extra 1k-2k will be added to the sale price viz. Chink phones, expecting that people will buy their phones because patriotism or whatever.
In reality they will get whacked again by the Chinese, patriotism to market products is a retarded strategy, only metric most people care about here are "most value for least cost".
 

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Same chink phones imported, except not in CBU form but CKD form and assembled here now, which will be cheaper than BBK or Xiaomeme phones BOM-wise, but extra 1k-2k will be added to the sale price viz. Chink phones, expecting that people will buy their phones because patriotism or whatever.
In reality they will get whacked again by the Chinese, patriotism to market products is a retarded strategy, only metric most people care about here are "most value for least cost".
No issue whether its CKD and assembled here or not. Until and unless they develop the software part in-house, there is no way they will thrive. In all these years, they did not develop even a simple android skin on their own, not even a fu****g simple launcher which college passout guys develop and launch on play store.
Without the software ecosystem you can't control your devices, you can't control the apps and device behavior.
Make your own android skins, fork it into separate android version then, make your own play store equivalent and only then you can survive among chinks.
 

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I am not sure how much Indian or even Non-Chinese origin components will be used in these phones that will be made by Indian companies.
I dont have any issues with buying individual components from Chinese or Taiwanese vendors. Few components like, ram modules, processors are simply not made here and cant be made here for few years. Buy them from outside.
However it should be that you buy complete off the shelf pre-assembled units like complete motherboard SKU (processors + ram already fixed).
Make internals as per your own design and needs. Barring processor and ram modules, most of hardware is already build here. Use the maximum from local market as possible.
 

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I dont have any issues with buying individual components from Chinese or Taiwanese vendors. Few components like, ram modules, processors are simply not made here and cant be made here for few years. Buy them from outside.
However it should be that you buy complete off the shelf pre-assembled units like complete motherboard SKU (processors + ram already fixed).
Make internals as per your own design and needs. Barring processor and ram modules, most of hardware is already build here. Use the maximum from local market as possible.
Most hardware is already build here?

Great if true. Do you know which hardware for mobile phones are we able to make here in India?
 

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Most hardware is already build here?

Great if true. Do you know which hardware for mobile phones are we able to make here in India?
hardware are built in India but they are supervised that means we can't use the tech anywhere else,
Container box and packaging is the only thing that is truly made in India.
 

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Most hardware is already build here?

Great if true. Do you know which hardware for mobile phones are we able to make here in India?
Chargers are confirmed built here that much I know for sure.

ICs of any kind can never be procured from India itself is because we have no globally competitive fabs here.
We can however do the packaging of ICs in India even before proper fabs come up.

For Smartphone parts PCB(s) are either imported with the ICs soldered on or the PCB is imported bare, and ICs are soldered on in India using SMT machines( this is done because part of PMP policy of govt, PCB with ICs already attached gets more duty than bare PCB. )

Batteries are again imported I think, we can have battery assembly plants here, produce the casing in India while the Lithium ion cell is imported for starters

Casing is imported perhaps, various materials are used today, plastic, aluminium, glass etc to make the casing.

Camera module is imported again because no local production.

Screen has to be imported, we have no Display fabs here, Samsung was planning to start one in Noida for smartphone screens specifically, don't know the status of that project, in start of 2014-15 there were talks about LG and Vedant/Sterlite making Display fabs here, but that arrangement fell through afaik.

perhaps USB port, headphone jack port, speakers etc may be sourced through Indian suppliers.

There is possibility of quite easily indigenizing the production of the PCB, battery pack, casings, speakers etc here.
IC's and Screen is much harder the fabs for these require big investment, and again camera module need the image sensor IC + lenses, both supplied by different companies.


imo GoI should give PLI incentive to Laptop, AIO, standard PC parts, Server manufacturers also, we bleed untold sums every year by importing these in CBU form from China, the Laptop/PC industry has strong parallels with the Smartphone manufacturing industry, many of the OEM/ODM/CMs and suppliers of parts to both industries also are the same.
 

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The above article documents the futile """"search""""" of Apple to find suppliers in India that are equivalent to their Chinese ones on cost, time, quality, and quantity metrics.

They conveniently ignore that their Chinese suppliers have grown with Apple and other MNCs itself, fed by global scale orders by Apple and other companies, with which they have improved their quality, installed high production machines, and trained or acquired experiences workers, technicians and engineers over the years.

Meanwhile our Indian companies are small and barely get sporadic orders, no money to get lots of expensive machines and train or retain the more expensive experienced and skilled workers/technicians, and Applel comes to them asking them to compete with Chinese suppliers of these metrics, they get the polite version of "fuck off" in return :)

They have to build supplier networks here if they plan to use India are their export base, they won't get anything ready made
 

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What would be the best possible scenario to open a manufacturing company in India. I want to inquire basically regarding high tech hardware modules which could be used in smartphones, TVs, other electronics etc. [Or maybe something entirely different]

I know already that the Indian startup scene is rife with bureaucratic hurdles but wanted to know if someone does want to get a taste of the manufacturing pie in India, what would be the most suitable approach.

If we could discuss, or maybe make a new thread on this then that would be great. I have a few friends who would most likely be shifting back to India in the next 3-5 years and we are planning on doing something in the lines of make in India.
 

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What would be the best possible scenario to open a manufacturing company in India. I want to inquire basically regarding high tech hardware modules which could be used in smartphones, TVs, other electronics etc. [Or maybe something entirely different]

I know already that the Indian startup scene is rife with bureaucratic hurdles but wanted to know if someone does want to get a taste of the manufacturing pie in India, what would be the most suitable approach.

If we could discuss, or maybe make a new thread on this then that would be great. I have a few friends who would most likely be shifting back to India in the next 3-5 years and we are planning on doing something in the lines of make in India.
If you mean IC related or Display related things then forget about it, unless you have Ambani tier wealth you cannot setup a fab here, you can however start a fabless IC design company, but this will be software and hardware prototyping via FPGA only, you will not be manufacturing anything.

Following are do-able, but still need big bucks to buy the necessary machines, plant, land, bribes, workers etc
  • PCB manufacturing, basic ones are two layer, the kind used for PCs are 15 layers, smartphone ones are 8-10 layers and come in various sizes, you will need to find out some way to dispose the chemical effluents of this business( you need acids to etch the traces on the PCB ), needs skilled workers/engineers, your client should provide the PCB layout , schematics he wants you to manufacture
  • Plastic widgets and casing for electronics items, you basically buy machines and have to make or buy custom tooling and molds to make plastic casings and or widgets of various sizes, also needs experienced and skilled labour so you plastic items come out properly without defects
  • Contract Manufacturer and or OEM/ODM here you assemble electronics products from parts that your client provides, according to the client's specifications and design, and either design the software for the product, or load the software provided by client, you also handle the testing, QC and packaging of the product, OEM/ODM on the other hand has you designing and manufacturing the product yourself, with certain subcomponents bought from outside suppliers, you need a team to write the software also, and handle QC, testing, later you pitch you products to different brands to be sold under their brand name, but the product remains yours.
  • There is also battery packaging and IC packaging, but you will need to get into foreign JV for that I think.
In terms of states you have Gujarat, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra( Sri City mainly ) and Noida of UP, all these state have current Industrial Policies with attractive schemes for ESDM manufacturers.
Maharashtra could be but with current and previous govts nobody gives a damn.

You have to be prepared to put down the big bucks tho in any case.
 

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Acer mulls reorienting India manufacturing plants

PC maker Acer Inc (宏碁) yesterday said that it might turn some of its PC assembly plants in India into laptop manufacturing facilities due to a demand from the Indian government regarding its “Make in India” initiative.

Acer Pan Asia-Pacific regional operations president Andrew Hou (侯知遠) told a media briefing in Taipei that the Indian government has said that computer procurement projects up for bidding in 2022 must be made in India.

“Make in India has been an important consideration for the Indian government over the past three months or so, and we are all trying to look for a solution,” Hou said, adding that 60 percent of Acer’s revenue in India comes from government procurement projects.

One possibility would be to assist Indian electronics manufacturing service providers in adjusting their production lines to manufacture Acer products, he said.

Acer might also look for assistance from original equipment manufacturers to turn their Acer-brand desktop PC assembly plants in India into laptop plants, he said.
 

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Tata Group's Rs 5,000 crore electronics parts unit coming up in Tamil Nadu

The Tata Group has decided to set up an electronics component manufacturing unit in Tamil Nadu, at an outlay of about Rs 5,000 cr, a state government official said.

The unit will be located on about 500 acres.

Other link that says that this will be phone components manufacturing unit :india:


The report also said the plant will be used for manufacturing for iPhone maker Apple in India.

Apple didn’t immediately respond to Mint’s queries about the investment. However, an industry executive close to one of the companies said that Apple isn’t involved in the project. "The company has been set up to build an electronics ecosystem. It is not about any particular client," a Tata spokesperson said.


At the moment, the iPhone maker contracts Foxconn, Wistron and Pegatron for manufacturing its phones in India. The Tata plant, on the other hand, seems to be meant for components instead of overall smartphone assembly and manufacturing.
 

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Acer mulls reorienting India manufacturing plants

PC maker Acer Inc (宏碁) yesterday said that it might turn some of its PC assembly plants in India into laptop manufacturing facilities due to a demand from the Indian government regarding its “Make in India” initiative.

Acer Pan Asia-Pacific regional operations president Andrew Hou (侯知遠) told a media briefing in Taipei that the Indian government has said that computer procurement projects up for bidding in 2022 must be made in India.

“Make in India has been an important consideration for the Indian government over the past three months or so, and we are all trying to look for a solution,” Hou said, adding that 60 percent of Acer’s revenue in India comes from government procurement projects.

One possibility would be to assist Indian electronics manufacturing service providers in adjusting their production lines to manufacture Acer products, he said.

Acer might also look for assistance from original equipment manufacturers to turn their Acer-brand desktop PC assembly plants in India into laptop plants, he said.
Good news, Dell also seems to be making new Inspiron and Vostro line laptops in India, as per the listings of laptops on their website, but there is no press release or blog post detailing this.
AIO Desktop, Laptop, Servers are a huge market.
 

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Tata Group's Rs 5,000 crore electronics parts unit coming up in Tamil Nadu

The Tata Group has decided to set up an electronics component manufacturing unit in Tamil Nadu, at an outlay of about Rs 5,000 cr, a state government official said.

The unit will be located on about 500 acres.

Other link that says that this will be phone components manufacturing unit :india:


The report also said the plant will be used for manufacturing for iPhone maker Apple in India.

Apple didn’t immediately respond to Mint’s queries about the investment. However, an industry executive close to one of the companies said that Apple isn’t involved in the project. "The company has been set up to build an electronics ecosystem. It is not about any particular client," a Tata spokesperson said.


At the moment, the iPhone maker contracts Foxconn, Wistron and Pegatron for manufacturing its phones in India. The Tata plant, on the other hand, seems to be meant for components instead of overall smartphone assembly and manufacturing.
I wonder what these parts are?
passive SMT components?
PCB?
Speakers?
Battery assembly?
plastic/glass/metal casings for phones?
screen assembly?
 

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Govt sweetens the PLI schemes for pharma, medical device manufacturers

In a bid to ensure that the two Production Linked Incentive (PLI) schemes announced to give a fillip to the Indian pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturers are attractive enough for the industry, the government on Thursday announced several amendments keeping in mind several reservations expressed by the manufacturers.

Confirming the CNBCTV18 newsbreak, the Department of Pharmaceuticals (DoP) in a press statement said, “department received several suggestions and inputs from the pharmaceutical and medical device industry seeking certain amendments in the scheme to enable effective participation of the industry in the two schemes.

The suggestions were examined by the respective Technical Committees formed under the schemes. The recommendations of the Technical Committees were placed before the Empowered Committees of the schemes which are chaired by CEO NITI Aayog. After considering the recommendations of the Technical Committees, the EC approved the revision of the guidelines for both the schemes.”

According to the changes notified, the government has “revised guidelines for Production Linked Incentive (PLI) scheme for promotion of domestic manufacturing of critical Key Starting Materials (KSMs), Drug Intermediates (DIs) and Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients (APIs) in India by replacing the criteria of ‘minimum threshold’ investment with ‘committed’ investment by the selected applicant,” DoP in a press statement said.

The government has also made changes to encourage efficient use of productive capital as the amount of investment required to achieve a particular level of production depends upon the choice of technology and it also varies from product to product.

Meanwhile, the government is very clear that the “provision for verification of the actual investment made by the selected applicant for the purpose of giving incentives under the scheme continues.”

Another breather extended to the industry by the government was by removing the “provision which restricts the sales of eligible products to domestic sales only, for the purpose of eligibility of receiving incentives, bringing the scheme in line with other PLI schemes and encouraging market diversification,” DoP in a statement said.

Thereby, meaning that now all sales will be considered to give incentives, including international sales and exports.

The government has also brought in “changes in the minimum annual production capacity for 10 products viz Tetracycline, Neomycin, Para Amino Phenol (PAP), Meropenem, Artesunate, Losartan, Telmisartan, Acyclovir, Ciprofloxacin and Aspirin. Minimum annual production capacity is a part of eligibility criteria under the scheme,” DoP said.

The last date for receiving applications under the PLI scheme for promotion of domestic manufacturing of critical Key Starting Materials, Drug Intermediates and Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients has also been extended by a week to November 30, 2020.

On the other hand, for the PLI scheme for Promoting Domestic Manufacturing of Medical Devices, the changes include, the extension of the due date for submitting the applications, relaxing the minimum investment threshold and etc.

The government has replaced “the criteria of ‘minimum threshold’ investment with ‘committed’ investment by the selected applicant. The change has been made to encourage efficient use of productive capital as the amount of investment required to achieve a particular level of production depends upon technology used and it also varies from product to product. The provision for verification of the actual investment made by the selected applicant for the purpose of giving incentives under the scheme continues,” DoP said.

The government has also changed “the eligibility criteria of minimum sales threshold in line with projected demand, technology trend and market development, for the purpose of availing incentive under the scheme.
The tenure of the scheme has been extended by one year keeping in view the capital expenditure expected to be done by the selected applicants in FY 2021-22.

Accordingly, the sales for the purpose of availing incentives will be accounted for 5 years starting from FY 2022-2023 instead of FY 2021-2022.
The last date for receiving applications under the scheme is now extended by a week to November 30, 2020,” DoP in a statement said.

The Indian pharmaceutical industry is the third-largest globally in terms of volume and contributes significantly to India’s economic growth and export earnings. The Medical Devices industry is identified as a sunrise sector with great potential for diversification and employment generation.

The Government had launched several initiatives to support the Pharmaceutical and Medical Devices industry to reach their potential in the coming years.

The Department of Pharmaceuticals came out with two Production Linked Incentive schemes- for promotion of domestic manufacturing of critical Key Starting Materials, Drug Intermediates and Active Pharmaceutical Ingredients in India and the other for Promoting Domestic Manufacturing of Medical Devices.

Both the schemes were approved by the Cabinet on March 20, 2020 and the detailed guidelines for the implementation of the schemes were issued by the Department on July 27, 2020.

Post issuance of the detailed guidelines, the department had been receiving several suggestions and inputs from the pharmaceutical and medical device industry seeking certain amendments in the scheme to enable effective participation of the industry in the two schemes.

To watch out for is how many players now sign up for these two schemes as the changes have been notified keeping industry suggestions as to the top priority.
 

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