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Our Mango People will Deny Chinese goods and buy expensive products with hard earned money and our great Mai baap will save their tax loot money by giving contract to Lowest bidder Cheap Chinese Companies..SHAME..
Project was backed by ADB (Asian development bank) so we had no choice we had to give it to the lowest bidder according to rules.
 

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Micromax, Lava, Karbonn plan smartphone comeback amid strong anti-China sentiment

This time they should focus on designing the phones on their own rather than just picking up existing models from chene mainland. De of the parts will come from chene and Taiwan but start making rest in India.
 

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This time they should focus on designing the phones on their own rather than just picking up existing models from chene mainland. De of the parts will come from chene and Taiwan but start making rest in India.
Posted by @Mikesingh in another thread
Read this on Quora. Very interesting! A must read....

Why can't India manufacture mobile phones like China? Is mobile technology that advanced?



Sandip Kumar
, Mechanical Engineer
at ASML
Updated August 17, 2019


Since I work for a company whose tech is extensively used rather they are the world leaders in it, I can give a glimpse how advanced mobile tech is and why India is lagging.
Do you recognize this image/machine/company ?

If yes, then you don’t need to read further. If not then please go through the answer to understand the situation.
Now a question : What’s the most important component of a smart phone ?

Yes that’s correct. The CHIP.
This is single most important component in a smart phone and our Indian tech is outdated by at least 25 years.

If I have to roughly outline how chips are made then it would be in following order :

We are yet to make perfect silicon ingot from which wafers are made. Then patterns (actual chip design) are made on wafers using light and tech is known as lithography.

Now ASML (a dutch company) is world leader in this and owns around 85% world share in this. They literally rule the market. The first picture at the start of the answer what you saw is of the same litho machine ASML makes. Intel, Qualcom, TSMC, Samsung and all other chip making company buys machine from them year after year. You can’t make “advanced” chips without this machine. Not possible. Period !

There are more than 90% of chance (actually 100% if Iphone) that your phone’s chip has been made on this machine. Your SD card, pendrive, hard drive contains the memory made on this machine. How many of these machines are there in India? 10? 20? 50? Naah ZERO!!!

As far as I know there is not a single advanced Litho machine bought by Indian govt. or any Indian company.
Reason ? It’s expensive and crazy expensive. A single DUV/EUV litho machine costs close to $90–100 million. (Not even counting power supply, cleanroom facility and other supplements it needs to run). To give you a perspective : with this amount of money you can buy 2 SU-35 fighter jets and still couple of millions will be left around. We ain’t doing that.

On the other hand China is investing huge amount of money in it. In last couple of years it self they have started 7 such factories. Each with more than 50 of those machines. Imagine how much trouble India has in buying 120 fighter jets and China invested 700 fighter jets worth of money only in buying these machines. (Numbers, I gave is only for perspective. I am not against India’s defense policy).

There is a huge gap in terms of tech and investment between China and India. And we haven’t yet even started properly to bridge that. Brains behind developing these tech are scattered all around the world and many Indians are involved and contributing in it too but not in India. GOI needs to recognize this as soon as possible and get the ball moving.

Until we make progress and some bold moves are taken, we have to bear with “MADE IN CHINA”.
 

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Posted by @Mikesingh in another thread
I don't know what point you are trying to make here. ASML is Dutch owned company. They make Fab Machines which produce the chips substrate at any Fab plants. Currently moat if their yearly output is booked by 4 of the Fab giants.
We don't need to build each and every part used in mobiles phones in India itself. In current global world building each and everything in 1 country is stupid and un economical. China is Not the only place where these fab plants are, there are fab plants in Taiwan, S. korea, Veitnam, Japan (old lithography mostly) , US, Israel, and few more countries .
Take Ram and processor from any of these fab plants. Even if you need from China then buy from Global Foundries (Taiwaneese).
Make rest in India. Silicon motherboard can be made in India without heavy investment.
Making a latest gen lithography(14nm and below) based fab plant in India will consume billion of dollars and will take 1 decade till you get first output (asml is booked for years in advance).
 

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First build Cameras, LCD and battery in India then we will think about FAB.
ISRO has experience in Lithium battery better do something with that.

Da motherfucking PSUs aren't doing enough. I expected BEML to make it's own tunnel boring machine but they haven't.
There is still time link up BEML with L&T to make one.
 

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I don't know what point you are trying to make here. ASML is Dutch owned company. They make Fab Machines which produce the chips substrate at any Fab plants. Currently moat if their yearly output is booked by 4 of the Fab giants.
We don't need to build each and every part used in mobiles phones in India itself. In current global world building each and everything in 1 country is stupid and un economical. China is Not the only place where these fab plants are, there are fab plants in Taiwan, S. korea, Veitnam, Japan (old lithography mostly) , US, Israel, and few more countries .
Take Ram and processor from any of these fab plants. Even if you need from China then buy from Global Foundries (Taiwaneese).
Make rest in India. Silicon motherboard can be made in India without heavy investment.
Making a latest gen lithography(14nm and below) based fab plant in India will consume billion of dollars and will take 1 decade till you get first output (asml is booked for years in advance).
True most of components can be sourced by Sony (camera) and Samsung ( camera ram storage) . Processor from Qualcomm or mediatake ( taiwan) .

Rest can be build in India . Get stock Android and deliver cheap good enough phones. Even if Indian brands provide similar specs to Chinese at 2-3k higher that distance can be covered by duty on Chinese imports.
 

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Human Universal Load Carrier, or HULC, is an un-tethered, hydraulic-powered anthropomorphic exoskeleton developed by Professor H. Kazerooni and his team at Ekso Bionics. It is intended to help soldiers in combat carry a load of up to 200 pounds at a top speed of 10 miles per hour for extended periods of time.

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The M134 Minigun is a 7.62×51mm NATO six-barrel rotary machine gun with a high, sustained rate of fire (2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute). It features a Gatling-style rotating barrel assembly with an external power source, normally an electric motor.

Mass: 85 lb (39 kg), 41 lb (19 kg) lightweight mod.

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A Dillon Aero M134D minigun in 2017.

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A fictional Minigun being fired in Predator movie (1987)


DRDO, OFB and the private sector should come together and develop a hybrid of these two systems (for Indian armed forces) and make it into a reality. :hail: :shoot: :crying:
 

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Human Universal Load Carrier, or HULC, is an un-tethered, hydraulic-powered anthropomorphic exoskeleton developed by Professor H. Kazerooni and his team at Ekso Bionics. It is intended to help soldiers in combat carry a load of up to 200 pounds at a top speed of 10 miles per hour for extended periods of time.

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The M134 Minigun is a 7.62×51mm NATO six-barrel rotary machine gun with a high, sustained rate of fire (2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute). It features a Gatling-style rotating barrel assembly with an external power source, normally an electric motor.

Mass: 85 lb (39 kg), 41 lb (19 kg) lightweight mod.

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A Dillon Aero M134D minigun in 2017.

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A fictional Minigun being fired in Predator movie (1987)


DRDO, OFB and the private sector should come together and develop a hybrid of these two systems (for Indian armed forces) and make it into a reality. :hail: :shoot: :crying:
exo skeleton in works, it is there in the IA's wishlist.
minigun may not happen. In 10 secs all ammo goes BrrrrrrtttttttT. and finish.
 

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