Main Battle Tanks and Armour Technology

[JKD01]

New T-14 Armata, including T-15 and T-16


Edit:
Just noticed T-14 Armata has it's own thread. Oh well...

 

[punjab47]

FRCV is a perfect stupid way and is just a figleaf for procuring armata in future and stalling funding for DRDo's new FMBT program citing the FRCV tender..

No cutting edge tank maker in the world will design a tank for just fees and hand over all crucial tech to IA , which will float another tender to select a different manufacturer to produce it.

because if they transfer those right s to IA, they will lose all their exports right and vest all rights to IA, which is something no tank maker will do.

because french simply refused to part with even non core tech for 20 billion rafale deal with the coming era of stealth fighter, Then which tank maker will part with all IP rights of a cutting edge 40 ton futuristic tank design?

And IA is totally incompetent to lead this tender because it has not given any specific specs to evaluate all the designs. They neither specified weight , armor protection level, crew men etc, ect.Everything is vague and subject to spurious interpretation..

If IA was so sure of procuring its FRCV in this novel method, why it did not adopt the method for its failed MICW tender, bullet proof vest tender, LUH tender and spike tender?

Answer-they know perfectly well that the FRCV "compete for design with no advance info on specs , transfer IP right to IA for job work fees , with production by another tank maker" is a perfectly unworkable in real world.

They know they cant get spike, MICW,bullet proof vests and LUH in time if they use FRCV route.

Then why are they doing it on FRCV.

Simple just stall the budget sanction for DRDO's FMBT by citing the FRCV tender, whale away a decade on foreign tours and commission seeking endeavors, and if they have no winner in hand(they surely wont, if we go by the much simpler bullet proof, LUH, MICW tender fiascos!!!) cite the urgent fall in tank numbers and ask for immediate import of thousands of Armata from pliable future government.

they are just fooling manohar parrikar by giving the ruse of "make in india" campaign of Modi govt.

Simple-question which host government abroad ,will allow its FMBT design winner to transfer the rights of newer gun, armor tech, ammo tech, FCS tech , engine , transmission tech to IA.

Answer-None will, if IA can get a company from mars there is a possibility of securing those rights!!!

let me see how long they can manage to fool the new govt with this FRCV tender fraud.

they are simply not behaving like men, they are an embarrassment to the varan they claim & the jaatis they come from..


but it's true though strategic mobility is the key for new tanks, but you have to keep in mind all countries making these new lighter tanks have fully upgraded tanks of prev gen as well. Upgrading t-72 t-90s 4-500 arjun mk1/2 & rest into FMBT is best because simple fact is

We can do anything the best because we study & practice it as our religion while the melechas have to double check w/ jesus/mohammad first.

We have to get serious, we could rule the world but would rather fight about the price of a gujurati thali in the parliament....

 

[pmaitra]

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[bhramos]

M1A2 with TUSK kit

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[bhramos]

M1 CATTB

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[SALDIRAY]

In this video information about ALTAY Main Battle Tank.

 

[Bornubus]

In this video information about ALTAY Main Battle Tank.

Pakis claim that they offered their help to turkey for some component in Altay.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Ukrainian Tank Expo Modernization

 

[Kunal Biswas]

UAE BMP-3 ran into some Yemeni Mines.

 

[Bornubus]

And it's nothing strange looking at stand (fixed) posiiton - in sucht case more is depend on gun and ammo then FCS as whole and stabilisation.
BTW: in the same shooting Indian crew perform extremly good:

What's the range ?

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[asianobserve]

US 7th Army JMTC - Leopard 2A6 Main Battle Tanks & C1 Ariete Main Battle Tanks in Strong Europe Tank Challenge

 

[Rushil51]

Swedish concept tank STRV2000



https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/c...h_concept_tank_strv2000_mockup_from_19851990/


http://i.imgur.com/45GywRl.jpg



Otherwise known as the T140/40 concept, the final version of the STRV 2000 program is an incredibly impressive monstrosity.

That is an autoloaded 140mm main gun, a 40mm coax (yes, coax 40mm), and it had approximately all of the frontal armor thickness imaginable (The designers paid particular attention to the M1's armor composition as to use) with 800mm KE/1200mm CE protection without add-on.

Despite weighing 60t, the MTU883 and HSWL 295TM drivetrain (same as used on Merkava IV, amongst other proposals) ensured it was quite quick. Unlike the preceding S-tank, the 2000 had a turret (which was discussed as either limited or full traverse) and this represents essentially the most potent MBT that work was ever seriously put into.

That said, with the cold war ending the Swedish defense budget imploded, the STRF 90 was a far more important project, and Germany opened up their "Discount Leopard 2 blowout". As a result the Swedes felt that modified Leo 2s would fit the bill at a vastly cheaper cost and went that way (See: STRV 121 and 122).

 

[porky_kicker]

still i would also like to see active protection systems like LED 150 on Indian tanks.

in Defexpo 2016 Tata displayed a model of T-90 fitted with LEDS 150 active protection system, comprising radar sensors and traversable countermeasure dispensers designed to protect the tank from anti-tank missiles and RPGs.


so why even wait to be hit ?

 

[porky_kicker]

also ERA MK2 equivalent to Russian ERA (export version)

well



@Kunal Biswas

i wanted to ask u what happens if a round hits the exposed portion of the turret just above the turret ring joint and below the frontal V shaped ERA panel next to the gun.
don't u thing it is a potential shot trap and will damage the turret ring / damage the slewing hydraulics.

whats the probability of getting hit in that portion ?
was it not taken into account during development and design ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

T-72M1 is not design in India ..

ERA MK2 was never meant to compete with Russian K5 but to do what Army requirement wanted it to be ..

 

[rishivashista13]

also ERA MK2 equivalent to Russian ERA (export version)

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@Kunal Biswas

i wanted to ask u what happens if a round hits the exposed portion of the turret just above the turret ring joint and below the frontal V shaped ERA panel next to the gun.
don't u thing it is a potential shot trap and will damage the turret ring / damage the slewing hydraulics.

whats the probability of getting hit in that portion ?
was it not taken into account during development and design ?

I think , merkava has best design for dealing that problem .

Our arjun mk2 also has large space avalable in that sensitive area .

But what will actually happen if a round hits between hull - turret joint and that frontal V shaped ERA ??


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[Kunal Biswas]

For Indian Army the space between the turret and chassis was necessary for better maintenance at field where as for Israeli Army it seems not necessary, Protection wise merkava has better design but maintenance wise Arjun as has better design ..

There are call design trade-offs ..

 

[porky_kicker]

@Kunal Biswas

u have lots of info,
can u tell me what that box is which is fitted on the front of the arjuns turret near the gunners sight.

is it a radar?
or is it a designator for laser guided missiles?

and do u think its current position weakens the frontal protection , cant it be positioned on top in a collapsible configuration so that it can be stowed away when not lasing the missile target.

thanks

 

[rishivashista13]

For Indian Army the space between the turret and chassis was necessary for better maintenance at field where as for Israeli Army it seems not necessary, Protection wise merkava has better design but maintenance wise Arjun as has better design ..

There are call design trade-offs ..

One serious doubt .
Why our arjun mk2 has gunners sight at such dangerous place ??

What if a round hit gunners sight ! Round will easily penetrate inside and destroy the tank .

But if we see other tanks of the world , they have there gunners sight such that if it is hit the tank will be safe .

American M1 Abrahams

Israili Merkava

British Challenger

German Leopard

Russian and ours T 90

Even pakistani Al khalid doesn't has such dangerous gunners sight .

We say our Arjun mk2 is one of the best tank of the world .
So what is the meaning of such design Which makes our tank so venerable to enemy fire ?
Please anyone explain , why this is so ?

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[Kunal Biswas]

That could be both a radar as well a laser designator for Missile guidance, I think its placement is done on purpose, I sure if we can figure this then Army too did ..

The Sight is placed at such location for better gunnery preform-ace, This is something that been accepted in MK2 as well ..