Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor
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Isn't Rafale also locked F22, At the same exercise ??
Score was win 1 for rafale and draws 6 with F22..
Score was win 1 for rafale and draws 6 with F22..
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No, it was 5 draws and 1 dead Rafale against F-22. It was the Mirage-2000 instructor that got the shot for the badge.
Mirage is a good fighter ... but nothing comes close to F -22 ...
even if this mirage got behind a Raptor ... all the mirages that were flying with it must have already killed in simulation ...
so take this ...
5 mirage down mean 5 pilots down means 300 million $ down and if they got one raptor than its just 1 raptor down 1 pilot down means 150 million down
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Have no idea where you came up with those calculations.
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The pilot might eject but the one with the bruised ego will be Lockheed martin for designing and building the most advanced stealth fighter which cannot even out fly a Mirage even with thrust vectoring and the fact that the Mirage is ideally suited for high altitude supersonic combat scenarios!!!So now a question about the credibility of L-M arises with respect to their promise of a very maneuverable stealth fighter(?)
Just my 2cents,
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thr is no way Mirage 2009 can come close to a Raptor that too behind ...
so i am assuming that after getting a good hit a lone mirage could hav come close to Raptor ...
anyway i am wondering why isnt French investing in 5th gen ... they have the most advanced aeronautical industry after USA and Russia???
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No one counting on Aircrafts here.....
But the Pilots!
Btw, Mir-2000 and Rafale are some of quality Aircrafts and gives all what a Pilots needs, I can say same for MIG-29 and MIG-21 or LCA so same for F-16 & F -15..
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well america always overates its technologies.its"invisible" bombers were shot down in 1997 in serbia.even in cope india 2004 american f-15 fighters lost 90% of dog-fights against their indian counterparts.we never hear much of these stories in the american media.though f-22 is the best operational fighter in the world today but its capabilities are overhyped by american propoganda machinery by about 10 times.i am sure that once the pak-fa becomes operational the f-22 will stand no chance.
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You are assuming too much. We don't know the ROE for the Mirage DACT. If it was similar to Rafale it was 1v1 or 2v2 which it likely was as it was the same against Eurofighter. DACT is performed without BVR so getting in close is a matter of maneuvering skill, not sheer performance. A French instructor pilot at Al Dhafra is going to be far more seasoned than these intermediate F-22 pilots.
We are investing in NEURON and Meteor. UCAV for bombing and Next Gen BVRAAM for A2A. We also have MICA IR which can lock on a stealth target by its thermal signature at BVR ranges. Might have a hard time taking out F-22, but F-35, PAK FA, J-20 is not going to be a problem.
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F-22 RAPTOR limitations - not present in libya
One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the Air Force's vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/03/defense-f22-raptor-absent-from-libya-ops-032211/
One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the Air Force's vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2011/03/defense-f22-raptor-absent-from-libya-ops-032211/
The last thing you want to do is accidently lose a 250 million dollar top-secret aircraft to a small time conflict like Libya. Why should they take even the smallest risk that some problem might cause such an aircraft to be lost. You are not going to see the F-22, unless its a super important mission to the US.
You might see F-22 providing cover for bombers if the US decides to take out Iran's nuclear plants...but not for some dinky little conflict like Libya.
You might see F-22 providing cover for bombers if the US decides to take out Iran's nuclear plants...but not for some dinky little conflict like Libya.
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It would have been real test scenario for F22 if it is there!! They could have tested its capability and operational effectiveness.. The issue should be its protected protocols for communication -- as mentioned in the article...
Makes sense, it is a dedicated Air to Air fighter after all, something thats not really needed in Libya.
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Limitations Keep Raptor on Sidelines in Libya Campaign
One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the U.S. Air Force's vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.
"The designers of the F-22 had a dilemma, which is whether to have the connectivity that would allow versatility or to have the radio silence that would facilitate stealthiness. What they opted for was a limited set of tactical data links," said Loren Thompson, an analyst and chief operating office at the Lexington Institute, Arlington Va.
The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.
Radio emissions from various data links could potentially give away the aircraft's position, Thompson said.
As such, while the Raptor is the stealthiest operational aircraft in the world, it lacks much of the connectivity found on other warplanes, he said.
The aircraft also lacks a significant air-to-surface punch. Currently, the F-22 can only use two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which are GPS-guided bombs, against fixed targets. It does not yet have the ability to carry the 250-pound Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) or to create synthetic aperture radar maps, which are black and white photo-quality images of the Earth's surface, needed to select its own ground targets. By contrast, an F-15E Strike Eagle can carry 24,000 pounds of ordnance.
Those capabilities will be available once the Increment 3.1 hardware and software upgrade is fielded into the operational Raptor fleet later this year. However, even with Increment 3.1 installed, the F-22 will only be able to designate two targets in total for the eight SDBs it would be able to carry. The operational test force has been putting Increment 3.1 through its paces at Nellis AFB, Nev., since November.
However, the addition of Increment 3.1 will not resolve the Raptor's basic inability to connect with other aircraft, nor has the Air Force articulated a clear plan for the F-22 to do so. A future upgrade called Increment 3.2 was to have included the Multifunction Advanced Data-link (MADL) found on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, however, the Air Force deleted funding for that data link last year.
The MADL is also planned for integration into the B-2, which would have enabled the entire Air Force stealth aircraft fleet to be connected during operations inside hostile airspace.
Further, it is only with the addition of Increment 3.2 that the Raptor would be able to independently retarget eight SDBs at eight separate targets.
Under the Air Force's global strike task force doctrine, the Raptor would normally escort B-2 Spirit stealth bombers in "kicking down the door" of an enemy's air defenses. However, U.S. Africa Command, which is running Operation Odyssey Dawn, confirmed the F-22 has not flown over Libya.
"I see no indication that F-22s were used as an escort for the B-2 nor do I see anything that indicates the Raptor will be used in future missions over Libya," said Air Force Maj. Eric Hilliard, a spokesman for Africa Command.
On March 20, three B-2s flew bombing runs out of their base at Whiteman Air Force Base (AFB), Mo., against targets in Libya.
Analysts concurred that part of the reason for the absence of the Raptor is that it was not needed to defeat Libya's relatively pedestrian air defenses. The Libyans have a largely obsolete fleet of aircraft and only older model Soviet surface-to-air weaponry.
"Frankly, they might not be needed. Libya's defenses were not that robust to begin with and were rolled back quite handily," said Mark Gunzinger, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, Washington.
"Libya is not generally considered a highly capable adversary," Thompson added.
Gunzinger said that the B-2s probably flew at night, which would eliminate any chance of the billion-dollar warplane being spotted visually by the enemy. The large subsonic aircraft could be potentially vulnerable if it was seen, which is why it would be escorted by high performance stealth fighters like the F-22 if it was flying against a more challenging foe such as Iran or North Korea, Thompson said.
Source : Defense News
One aircraft conspicuous by its absence over the skies of Libya is the U.S. Air Force's vaunted F-22 Raptor air dominance fighter. The Lockheed Martin-built jet was likely benched due to its inability to communicate with other coalition aircraft and its limited ability to hit ground targets, analysts said.
"The designers of the F-22 had a dilemma, which is whether to have the connectivity that would allow versatility or to have the radio silence that would facilitate stealthiness. What they opted for was a limited set of tactical data links," said Loren Thompson, an analyst and chief operating office at the Lexington Institute, Arlington Va.
The F-22 can only connect with other F-22s via an intraflight data link, and can only receive, but not transmit, over the standard Link-16 data link found on most allied aircraft.
Radio emissions from various data links could potentially give away the aircraft's position, Thompson said.
As such, while the Raptor is the stealthiest operational aircraft in the world, it lacks much of the connectivity found on other warplanes, he said.
The aircraft also lacks a significant air-to-surface punch. Currently, the F-22 can only use two 1,000-pound Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which are GPS-guided bombs, against fixed targets. It does not yet have the ability to carry the 250-pound Small Diameter Bomb (SDB) or to create synthetic aperture radar maps, which are black and white photo-quality images of the Earth's surface, needed to select its own ground targets. By contrast, an F-15E Strike Eagle can carry 24,000 pounds of ordnance.
Those capabilities will be available once the Increment 3.1 hardware and software upgrade is fielded into the operational Raptor fleet later this year. However, even with Increment 3.1 installed, the F-22 will only be able to designate two targets in total for the eight SDBs it would be able to carry. The operational test force has been putting Increment 3.1 through its paces at Nellis AFB, Nev., since November.
However, the addition of Increment 3.1 will not resolve the Raptor's basic inability to connect with other aircraft, nor has the Air Force articulated a clear plan for the F-22 to do so. A future upgrade called Increment 3.2 was to have included the Multifunction Advanced Data-link (MADL) found on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, however, the Air Force deleted funding for that data link last year.
The MADL is also planned for integration into the B-2, which would have enabled the entire Air Force stealth aircraft fleet to be connected during operations inside hostile airspace.
Further, it is only with the addition of Increment 3.2 that the Raptor would be able to independently retarget eight SDBs at eight separate targets.
Under the Air Force's global strike task force doctrine, the Raptor would normally escort B-2 Spirit stealth bombers in "kicking down the door" of an enemy's air defenses. However, U.S. Africa Command, which is running Operation Odyssey Dawn, confirmed the F-22 has not flown over Libya.
"I see no indication that F-22s were used as an escort for the B-2 nor do I see anything that indicates the Raptor will be used in future missions over Libya," said Air Force Maj. Eric Hilliard, a spokesman for Africa Command.
On March 20, three B-2s flew bombing runs out of their base at Whiteman Air Force Base (AFB), Mo., against targets in Libya.
Analysts concurred that part of the reason for the absence of the Raptor is that it was not needed to defeat Libya's relatively pedestrian air defenses. The Libyans have a largely obsolete fleet of aircraft and only older model Soviet surface-to-air weaponry.
"Frankly, they might not be needed. Libya's defenses were not that robust to begin with and were rolled back quite handily," said Mark Gunzinger, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Analysis, Washington.
"Libya is not generally considered a highly capable adversary," Thompson added.
Gunzinger said that the B-2s probably flew at night, which would eliminate any chance of the billion-dollar warplane being spotted visually by the enemy. The large subsonic aircraft could be potentially vulnerable if it was seen, which is why it would be escorted by high performance stealth fighters like the F-22 if it was flying against a more challenging foe such as Iran or North Korea, Thompson said.
Source : Defense News
