Light Strike Vehicle RFI

Which 4X4 LSV will Serve in Indian Army ?

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Not sure how the fuck it managed to, but the competition that were beaten by the underdog Force Gurkha to win the LSV...
From left: Mahindra's Axe (Israeli commandos use it), Vectra's license GM vehicle, OFB licenses GM Flyer, Tata LSV. Also there was Ashok Leyland/Panhard Defense's Colt Light Tactical Vehicle.
 

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Not sure how the fuck it managed to, but the competition that were beaten by the underdog Force Gurkha to win the LSV...
From left: Mahindra's Axe (Israeli commandos use it), Vectra's license GM vehicle, OFB licenses GM Flyer, Tata LSV. Also there was Ashok Leyland/Panhard Defense's Colt Light Tactical Vehicle.
No, the force LSV is a light strike vehicle. These competition above was for light support vehicles which remains outstanding, the FM LSV is an entirely different requirement
 

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No, the force LSV is a light strike vehicle. These competition above was for light support vehicles which remains outstanding, the FM LSV is an entirely different requirement
correct these FM LSV are replacements for Gypsies which we often see in operation with Desert SF in media. Key requirements is off-road capability and light enough for heli lift/airdrop.

But genuine question is on ability of FM to provide good support to these vehicles. If I am not mistaken, this is probably first ever FM vehicle to be inducted by Army?
 

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Not sure how the fuck it managed to, but the competition that were beaten by the underdog Force Gurkha to win the LSV...
From left: Mahindra's Axe (Israeli commandos use it), Vectra's license GM vehicle, OFB licenses GM Flyer, Tata LSV. Also there was Ashok Leyland/Panhard Defense's Colt Light Tactical Vehicle.
Different category, different RFI.
Force came into picture because Maruti said they are closing the production of gypsy. And yet Maruti got a new order for gypsy and restarted production.

Crazy state of affairs.
 

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No, the force LSV is a light strike vehicle. These competition above was for light support vehicles
correct these FM LSV are replacements for Gypsies which we often see in operation with Desert SF in media. Key requirements is off-road capability and light enough for heli lift/airdrop.

But genuine question is on ability of FM to provide good support to these vehicles. If I am not mistaken, this is probably first ever FM vehicle to be inducted by Army?
Oh, my bad... Care to elaborate on the difference between the two please? Who were al competitors of Light Strike Vehicle?

So Tata Merlin, Kalyani LSV etc. are part of the Light Support Vehicle?... And Gypsy are being replaced by Safari Storme, FM Gurkha & this LSV?
 

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Oh, my bad... Care to elaborate on the difference between the two please? Who were al competitors of Light Strike Vehicle?

So Tata Merlin, Kalyani LSV etc. are part of the Light Support Vehicle?... And Gypsy are being replaced by Safari Storme, FM Gurkha & this LSV?
FM LSV is for these kind of roles:



Safari replaces staff duty vehicles like these ones:


I think Light Support Vehicles are meant to replace interesting mix of Sumos, Rakshaks and Gypsies in other roles like MEDVAC, Armoured Patrol Cars, Frequency Jamming Support Vehciles, compact Communication Vehicles etc. This is just my guess, maybe others can chip in?
 
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I think Light Support Vehicles are meant interesting to replace mix of Sumos, Rakshaks and Gypsies in other roles like MEDVAC, Armoured Patrol Cars, Frequency Jamming Support Vehciles, compact Communication Vehicles etc. This is just my guess, maybe others can chip in?
Ok. The nomenclature of this thread confused me...

Another thing. Is this one in the competition? Looks like a perfect candidate, but didn't see anything on it but the Defexpo2018 display;
 

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Ok. The nomenclature of this thread confused me...

Another thing. Is this one in the competition? Looks like a perfect candidate, but didn't see anything on it but the Defexpo2018 display;
yes as part of light support vehicle requirement. This vehicle is an evo of earlier AXE vehicle
 

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No, the force LSV is a light strike vehicle. These competition above was for light support vehicles which remains outstanding, the FM LSV is an entirely different requirement
The picture is from earlier LSV trials. All the participating vehicles were buggy type soft tops, like Gurkha. The images of Gurkha released so far are mostly without soft top cover. Army is procuring three categories,
GSV - Safari Storme
LSV - Force Gurkha
LAMV - To be decided (armoured hummer sized behemoths ranging 3-5 tons in weight)

Army has already been procuring a special variant of Sumo for specialised roles like Ambulance and has not expressed interest in any other vehicle type so far. Soft top Gurkha can be converted to any specialised role as well.
 

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Indian Army Para SF Commandos onboard a Force Gurkha Light Strike Vehicle with an operator manning PKM 7.62mm Machine Gun while the other operators are manning an MBDA MILAN Launcher which can launch a MILAN-2T ATGM capable of taking down an armoured target at 2 KM.
 

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Ok. The nomenclature of this thread confused me...

Another thing. Is this one in the competition? Looks like a perfect candidate, but didn't see anything on it but the Defexpo2018 display;
I have been following this topic but totally confused as well. Now i realise that LBPV and LSV are separate requirements:

 

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The Mahindra ASLV is Exactly the Vehicle You Need to Survive an Apocalypse!
The Mahindra ASLV is a purpose built armored light specialist vehicle built for the military and defense purposes that can offer Ballistic protection up to stage B7 and STANAG Level II. You know Mahindra to be a manufacturer of SUVs that are built like a tank and also some commercial vehicles like trucks and pickup vans. However, we bet you didn’t know that Mahindra has also built an armored vehicle quite like this. This monster of a machine that you see here is known as the Mahindra ASLV and it is a purpose-built armored light specialist vehicle. Of course its not for you to buy but has been specifically designed for the military and defense forces. This Mahindra ASLV is quite unique as it has been built on a modular architecture that can be updated to meet the requirements of the user any time. That also allows for easy maintenance while this vehicle provides Ballistic protection up to stage B7 and STANAG Level II. This vehicle sure looks like nothing other on the road but you could still identify it as a Mahindra by its seven-slatted grille up front. The aesthetics for this ASLV has also been kept very well. Being purpose built for the defense and military forces, the Mahindra ASLV has been put through the most rigorous of tests. Mahindra has tested this vehicle against 7.62 x 51mm ball rounds along with testing its protection against HE36 hand grenades as well. It has been put through many survivability tests along with being a part of the Government Defense Force’s trail and test programs for almost about 18 months. This Mahindra ASLV has a load carrying capacity of around 400 kgs and its modular architecture allows for mobility in all directions – front, sideways and rear – in accordance to STANAG Level 1 Blasts and Ballistics level. The interiors of the car has a space for four crew members along with a huge storage space for arms and ammunitions. It has been tested for protection against STANAG Level II Ballistics and can easily be updated to that specification. Under the hood, this Mahindra comes powered by a 3.2-liter, 6-cylinder, STEYR engine that produces 215hp of maximum power and 500Nm of peak torque. The engine comes mated to a 4-speed automatic transmission and power is sent to all the four wheels. This Mahindra ASLV has a payload capacity of 1000 kgs and even gets features like central tire inflation system. This vehicle is suspended by all-wheel independent suspension from Bilstein and its also equipped with a self-recovery winch. The Mahindra ASLV has a top-speed of 120kph and it can reach 0-60kph in 12 seconds.
 

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I have been following this topic but totally confused as well. Now i realise that LBPV and LSV are separate requirements:

LSV = Fast Recon / Special Ops / Desert Ops Vehicle. Little or no protection. Just speed and off-terrain vehicle. ForceGurkha Procured

LBPV = Mahindra Rakshak replacements with better features. Serious armor protection with better mobility than Rakshak. And probably added Remote weapons Station

GS 800 : Gypsy replcament for carrying officers during ususal movement. Tata Safari Storme procured.
 

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In pics: Mahindra ALSV is one of the meanest armoured vehicles. Here's proof
The Mahindra ALSV features a self-cleaning-type exhaust scavenging and air filtration system for extreme dusty climate, which makes it ideal for deserts.

1/8Mahindra Armoured Light Specialist Vehicle (ALSV) is a light armoured specialist vehicle built for use by military and defence forces. It has been built by Mahindra emirates vehicle armouring (MEVA), a part of the Mahindra and Mahindra. MEVA is experienced in building high quality armoured vehicles and tactical armoured vehicles.

2/8The Mahindra ALSV was recently praised by Mahindra Group’s chairman Anand Mahindra as one of the meanest to guard Indian borders. The armoured vehicle has already gone through Government Defence Force’s trial and test program for nearly 18 months.

3/8The Mahindra ALSV is meant for patrolling in high intensity areas, can launch a raid in open or desert terrain, can be used in special forces operations or as part of quick reaction teams besides reconnaissance jobs.

4/8The Mahindra ALSV can withstand 7.62 x 51mm bullets and HE36 hand grenade blasts.

5/8The armoured vehicle has 30-degree gradability with parking b
rake holding capacity in full GVW, and 50 Kms run-flat system on all wheels as per FINABEL standard.

6/8It is powered by a Steyr 3.2-litre, 6-cylinder turbodiesel engine that develops 215HP and a peak torque of 500Nm. The engine is coupled to a 4-speed automatic transmission and has a top speed of 120 kmph and acceleration from 0 to 60 kmph in about 12 seconds.

7/8The ALSV provides protected mobility for the front, side and rear as per STANAG Level I Ballistics and Blast for four crew members with battle load having ample storage space for arms and ammunition inside the crew compartment and additional 400 kgs cargo load-carrying capacity. It can also be upgradable up to STANAG – II Ballistics.

8/8The Mahindra ALSV’s variants include the 6 to 8-seater – Armoured Protection Vehicle for Security; Light Armoured Ambulance; Command and Control Vehicle, Light Mortar 81/82mm Vehicle, Ammunition Carrier for Light Weapons.
 

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Why Anand Mahindra thinks this armoured vehicle is one of the meanest
Manning difficult terrain along the border is always an uphill task. That is why the Indian forces often depend on Indian manufacturers to develop customised armoured vehicles that can tackle any terrain with ease.

Mahindra emirates vehicle armouring (MEVA, Mahindra Armoured), part of the Mahindra & Mahindra, is among the Indian manufacturers which has custom-built vehicles made for such terrain. MEVA is experienced in building high quality armoured vehicles and tactical armoured vehicles.

One such vehicle is the Mahindra Armoured Light Specialist Vehicle (ALSV). It is a light armoured specialist vehicle built for use by military and defence forces. The Mahindra ALSV has already gone through Government Defence Force’s trial and test program for nearly 18 months. Recently, Mahindra Group’s chairman Anand Mahindra took to Twitter to praise this vehicle as one of the meanest to guard Indian borders. He said, "Our defence team believes M&M translates to 'Mean Machine.' This is one of their meaner ones."

The Mahindra ALSV is meant for patrolling in high intensity areas, can launch a raid in open or desert terrain, can be used in special forces operations or as part of quick reaction teams besides reconnaissance jobs.

The Mahindra ALSV can withstand 7.62 x 51mm bullets and HE36 hand grenade blasts. is powered by a Steyr 3.2-litre, 6-cylinder turbodiesel engine that develops 215HP and a peak torque of 500Nm. The engine is coupled to a 4-speed automatic transmission and has a top speed of 120 kmph and acceleration from 0 to 60 kmph in about 12 seconds.

The armoured vehicle has 30-degree gradability with parking brake holding capacity in full GVW, and 50 Kms run-flat system on all wheels as per FINABEL standard.

The ALSV provides protected mobility for the front, side and rear as per STANAG Level I Ballistics and Blast for four crew members with battle load having ample storage space for arms and ammunition inside the crew compartment and additional 400 kgs cargo load-carrying capacity. It can also be upgradable up to STANAG – II Ballistics.

The Mahindra ALSV’s variants include the 6 to 8-seater – Armoured Protection Vehicle for Security; Light Armoured Ambulance; Command and Control Vehicle, Light Mortar 81/82mm Vehicle, Ammunition Carrier for Light Weapons.
 

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Auto companies look for big bang in defense sector to bolster growth prospects
In the wake of slow business in current times, several auto and auto companies are reportedly looking at exploring prospects in India's defense sector in a bid to reverse falling fortunes. And with the Indian government looking at providing impetus to local manufacturing for the country's defense acquisitions, it may well turn out to be the perfect time for such companies to strike big.

According to a report in Hindustan Times, companies including Force Motors, Bharat Forge, Automotive Axles and Ashok Leyland are looking at a larger foray into India's defense sector. "There will be a number of indigenized developments, which will bolster the defence logistics industry," Vipin Sondhi, managing director and CEO, Ashok Leyland, was quoted as saying in the report. "Now, with clarity on the restricted items, the industry will work on strengthening its product offerings."

Defense Minister Rajnath Singh, earlier this month - on August 9, had announced that there will be an imports embargo on as many as 101 items. Of these, 69 items have an embargo till December of 2020 while the remaining have an embargo till December of 2025. This means that local players now have a massive opportunity to step in and rise to the occasion. "This will also offer an opportunity to suppliers to participate with the automakers in the development and growth," Sondhi added.


While several Indian companies have had a presence in the country's defense sector, that share is likely to increase manifold now. As part of the government's 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' plans, manufacturing locally for India's defense needs forms a core part of its vision.

India is one of the largest importers of defense equipment in the world. While Russia has been the biggest supplier, recent times have seen US and Israel also stepping up exports to India. According to Reuters, Indian defence services had contracted around 3.5 trillion rupees worth of items between April of 2015 and August of 2020 that are now on hold. It is estimated that around 4 trillion rupees worth of orders will now be placed with the domestic industry over the course of the next few years which also means that the Indian auto and auto component sector stand to gain big time.
 

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