Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier
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EXPOSED: HOW CHINA PURCHASED ITS FIRST AIRCRAFT CARRIER
Exposed: How China Purchased Its First Aircraft Carrier | The National Interest Blog
by Zachary Keck
A Hong Kong-based businessmen bought China's first aircraft carrier under false pretenses, according to a new report in the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post.
In a two part expose published over the weekend, the South China Morning Postgave the inside story of Xu Zengping's quest to purchase China's first aircraft carrier, which later became the Liaoning. The piece draws heavily on interviews with Xu himself.
Xu reveals that he first stepped foot on the Ukraine built vessel in 1988, although it didn't go up for sale until 1992. At that time, it was around two-thirds complete.
The Ukrainian shipyard, who had been commissioned to build the carrier by Moscow in the early 1980s, was nearly bankrupt after the Soviet Union's collapse and sought to find a buyer for the vessel. It approached the Chinese government about purchasing the vessel, but— seeking to repair ties with the U.S. following Tiananmen Square— Beijing demurred. Unhappy with this decision, some naval officials apparently approached Xu, the head of Chinluck Holdings, about purchasing the carrier at that time. Xu had previously served in the People's Liberation Army before going into the "private" sector.
According to SCMP, the naval officials told Xu that there were two major impediments to purchasing the ship: "the navy was severely underfunded and there was no support in Beijing for the carrier project. If Xu took on the job, he would be taking a gamble on government policy." Xu gleefully relays that he decided to move ahead despite these challenges. "My passion pushed me to take on the mission because it was a now-or-never chance for China to buy a new carrier from a nearly insolvent state-owned Ukrainian shipbuilder."
As Xu began laying the groundwork to purchase the vessel, he ran into another obstacle. Namely, the Ukrainian shipbuilder did not want the carrier to be used for military purchases. Xu overcame this impediment by deceiving the Ukraine officials into thinking he would use the carrier solely as a floating casino. To that end, he established a Macau-based shell company and acquired a gambling license. According to a 2011 report in Caixin, a prominent Chinese business newspaper, that gambling license was revoked the very day the carrier arrived in China. Under unclear circumstances it later fell into the military's hands and was refurbished and launched as China's first aircraft carrier in 2012, a decade after it arrived in China.
The carrier's technology has been a boon for the Chinese navy. Despite claiming he would turn it into a casino, Xu demanded that they shipbuilder provide all the ship's blueprints to him. And, in contrast to Beijing's prior claims, Xu told SCMP that the vessel came with all four engines completely intact. "Xu Zengping disclosed that the militarily sensitive original engines of the carrier were intact when Ukraine sold the vessel in 1998. This is contrary to what Beijing told the world at the time," SCMP reported.
Quoting a "source familiar with the deal," SCMP said: "The Chinese side deliberately released false information about the removal of the engines to make it easier for Xu and the shipyard to negotiate." A retired PLA Navy colonel told the Hong Kong newspaper that it is "very likely" that China's carrier is still powered by Ukraine's engines.
Xu's machinations went beyond deception. For instance, Xu bribed his way into the Ukrainians' good graces, with SCMP reporting that Xu flooded the shipbuilder's management with "stacks of U.S. dollars." Xu also boasts that he got the Ukrainians excessively drunk when negotiating the deal. During the four days of negotiations over the ship, Xu claims to have brought the sellers 50 bottles of 62-per-cent-proof Chinese liquor called erguotou.
In other words, if the story is true, Xu, covertly working on behalf of China's Navy, lied, deceived and bribed his way into buying China its first aircraft carrier. The results appear to be worth it for Beijing. According to Xu, "some naval experts told me that my deal helped our country save at least 15 years of scientific research."
Zachary Keck is managing editor of The National Interest. You can find him on Twitter: @ZacharyKeck.
The link is from a blog , so i'm confused . Is this true ?
Exposed: How China Purchased Its First Aircraft Carrier | The National Interest Blog
by Zachary Keck
A Hong Kong-based businessmen bought China's first aircraft carrier under false pretenses, according to a new report in the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post.
In a two part expose published over the weekend, the South China Morning Postgave the inside story of Xu Zengping's quest to purchase China's first aircraft carrier, which later became the Liaoning. The piece draws heavily on interviews with Xu himself.
Xu reveals that he first stepped foot on the Ukraine built vessel in 1988, although it didn't go up for sale until 1992. At that time, it was around two-thirds complete.
The Ukrainian shipyard, who had been commissioned to build the carrier by Moscow in the early 1980s, was nearly bankrupt after the Soviet Union's collapse and sought to find a buyer for the vessel. It approached the Chinese government about purchasing the vessel, but— seeking to repair ties with the U.S. following Tiananmen Square— Beijing demurred. Unhappy with this decision, some naval officials apparently approached Xu, the head of Chinluck Holdings, about purchasing the carrier at that time. Xu had previously served in the People's Liberation Army before going into the "private" sector.
According to SCMP, the naval officials told Xu that there were two major impediments to purchasing the ship: "the navy was severely underfunded and there was no support in Beijing for the carrier project. If Xu took on the job, he would be taking a gamble on government policy." Xu gleefully relays that he decided to move ahead despite these challenges. "My passion pushed me to take on the mission because it was a now-or-never chance for China to buy a new carrier from a nearly insolvent state-owned Ukrainian shipbuilder."
As Xu began laying the groundwork to purchase the vessel, he ran into another obstacle. Namely, the Ukrainian shipbuilder did not want the carrier to be used for military purchases. Xu overcame this impediment by deceiving the Ukraine officials into thinking he would use the carrier solely as a floating casino. To that end, he established a Macau-based shell company and acquired a gambling license. According to a 2011 report in Caixin, a prominent Chinese business newspaper, that gambling license was revoked the very day the carrier arrived in China. Under unclear circumstances it later fell into the military's hands and was refurbished and launched as China's first aircraft carrier in 2012, a decade after it arrived in China.
The carrier's technology has been a boon for the Chinese navy. Despite claiming he would turn it into a casino, Xu demanded that they shipbuilder provide all the ship's blueprints to him. And, in contrast to Beijing's prior claims, Xu told SCMP that the vessel came with all four engines completely intact. "Xu Zengping disclosed that the militarily sensitive original engines of the carrier were intact when Ukraine sold the vessel in 1998. This is contrary to what Beijing told the world at the time," SCMP reported.
Quoting a "source familiar with the deal," SCMP said: "The Chinese side deliberately released false information about the removal of the engines to make it easier for Xu and the shipyard to negotiate." A retired PLA Navy colonel told the Hong Kong newspaper that it is "very likely" that China's carrier is still powered by Ukraine's engines.
Xu's machinations went beyond deception. For instance, Xu bribed his way into the Ukrainians' good graces, with SCMP reporting that Xu flooded the shipbuilder's management with "stacks of U.S. dollars." Xu also boasts that he got the Ukrainians excessively drunk when negotiating the deal. During the four days of negotiations over the ship, Xu claims to have brought the sellers 50 bottles of 62-per-cent-proof Chinese liquor called erguotou.
In other words, if the story is true, Xu, covertly working on behalf of China's Navy, lied, deceived and bribed his way into buying China its first aircraft carrier. The results appear to be worth it for Beijing. According to Xu, "some naval experts told me that my deal helped our country save at least 15 years of scientific research."
Zachary Keck is managing editor of The National Interest. You can find him on Twitter: @ZacharyKeck.
The link is from a blog , so i'm confused . Is this true ?
some news images of CV-16's action in the first half of this year...
the first J15 shipboard fighter regiment training on CV-16-- source: Navy news paper
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CV-16 sailed again just yesterday for an important Assessment...
the first J15 shipboard fighter regiment training on CV-16-- source: Navy news paper
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CV-16 sailed again just yesterday for an important Assessment...
the national news agency released two more news pictures about the CV-16 latest training mission. it seems Liaoning left the Port in the early morning
another interesting image about J15's taking-off from the only Launching station independent form the angled deck which means the landing and taking-off can be operated at the same time...
another interesting image about J15's taking-off from the only Launching station independent form the angled deck which means the landing and taking-off can be operated at the same time...
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Wow wow wow.... This thing does not even fit onto the elevators. A Russian origin plane on a Russian origin air carft carrier. Owned and operated by Chinese who put the heavier side over the edge. Could not the Chinese revise the tractor mechanism to pull the aircraft from the reverse side probably using the tail hook. That would have allowed for the lighter nose section to be put over the edge. If the volumes do not match at least you can manage the weight of the article properly.two China long-standing defence magazine < Ordnance Knowledge> and <NAVAL AND MERCHANT SHIPS> published quite some HD images of CV-16...
the scanned images....
No wonder Indian Navy plumbed for Mig-29K instead.
Here is how the much more experienced US Navy does it.
This is how the similar Russian origin carrier elevator is used by Indians:
This is how the Russians themselves use elevators
God bless some nation's thirsty for so called superiority feeling over others which turned to be a laugh stock again...amen
with big LOL... and some smart ass might not be able to understand this...
the balance and barycenter
the quoted image blindly and the truth
with big LOL... and some smart ass might not be able to understand this...
the balance and barycenter
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Barycenter my hairy sdre ....God bless some nation's thirsty for so called superiority feeling over others which turned to be a laugh stock again...amen
the quoted image blindly and the truth
with big LOL... and some smart ass might not be able to understand this...
the balance and barycenter
You really have no idea why it is being done that way by the PLAN. Don't you. Somebody told you to do that and you do it.
Ok more seriously there is nothing wrong in what all the Navies are doing. They use wires, blocks and harnesses attached to the undercarriage to all these aircrafts while in stowage or on elevators.
However despite these harnesses, the operations are meant to be done on moderate seas only.
In almost all the pictures including the PLAN one the harnesses are clearly visible.
Barycenter
LOL...hopeless idiot...
in some smart ass's mind, all planes should be sitting like this when they parking on the ground unless they are fixed by the wires, blocks and harnesses on undercarriages ....LOL...
the center of gravity is between the front and main undercarriages which means it is stable unless the CG move out this range
and again...those fixed fittings with chains are against the move or slide not the pitching
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it is so stupid to say inboard elevator on INS vikramaditya is something special from India...it is the original russian design and it is quite common on British CVs , it eats up some space of the hangar and limits the size of the airplanes...
BTW the new INS vikrant has the same elevators layout outboard... dear...
in some smart ass's mind, all planes should be sitting like this when they parking on the ground unless they are fixed by the wires, blocks and harnesses on undercarriages ....LOL...
the center of gravity is between the front and main undercarriages which means it is stable unless the CG move out this range
and again...those fixed fittings with chains are against the move or slide not the pitching
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it is so stupid to say inboard elevator on INS vikramaditya is something special from India...it is the original russian design and it is quite common on British CVs , it eats up some space of the hangar and limits the size of the airplanes...
BTW the new INS vikrant has the same elevators layout outboard... dear...
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Why only that look Barycenter powered aircrafts of chinese design 
Ok for the serious people:
1) Apparently they have to tie down not just the aircrafts on the storage hanger deck but anything that is loose and that can move around and damage things. I was under the wrong belief that only the things with wheels would require it.
2) Took me some time to find the harnesses on the flight deck but here it is
3) The Barycentre has nothing to do with it. This is the Navy not a bloody kung fu panda. They need to immobilize the things that can move around and damage things and then hold these things in place in moderate seas.
Ok for the serious people:
1) Apparently they have to tie down not just the aircrafts on the storage hanger deck but anything that is loose and that can move around and damage things. I was under the wrong belief that only the things with wheels would require it.
2) Took me some time to find the harnesses on the flight deck but here it is
3) The Barycentre has nothing to do with it. This is the Navy not a bloody kung fu panda. They need to immobilize the things that can move around and damage things and then hold these things in place in moderate seas.
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This is about basic stowage common sense and is required even in helicopter and aircraft cargo bays for similar reasons:
And
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...1i1cu3wF6qNgfCXbgFVfWkw7Y2D1BJXm4OmaipbowEttw
Here is the tie down slot positions for Chinook.
And
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/...1i1cu3wF6qNgfCXbgFVfWkw7Y2D1BJXm4OmaipbowEttw
Here is the tie down slot positions for Chinook.
LOL...not only hopeless but also shameless.
hey, don't talk none sense any more .... go back to re-read your stupid genius theory in post#628 and the same stupid image in post#629
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hey, don't talk none sense any more .... go back to re-read your stupid genius theory in post#628 and the same stupid image in post#629
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so did the Russian
so did the American
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...some recent TV news report...
Video: Chinese Aircraft Carrier Operations at Sea
December 29, 2015 7:30 AM
The following is a video published on Dec. 25, 2015 of a visit of People’s Liberation Army Navy head Adm. Wu Shengli visiting Chinese Aircraft carrier Liaoning.
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/29/vid...230405477&mc_cid=99cb05118f&mc_eid=234c8f82d4
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....news images...
Video: Chinese Aircraft Carrier Operations at Sea
December 29, 2015 7:30 AM
The following is a video published on Dec. 25, 2015 of a visit of People’s Liberation Army Navy head Adm. Wu Shengli visiting Chinese Aircraft carrier Liaoning.
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/29/vid...230405477&mc_cid=99cb05118f&mc_eid=234c8f82d4
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....news images...
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...some recent TV news report...
Video: Chinese Aircraft Carrier Operations at Sea
December 29, 2015 7:30 AM
The following is a video published on Dec. 25, 2015 of a visit of People’s Liberation Army Navy head Adm. Wu Shengli visiting Chinese Aircraft carrier Liaoning.
http://news.usni.org/2015/12/29/vid...230405477&mc_cid=99cb05118f&mc_eid=234c8f82d4
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....news images...
The colour job really looks Chinese i.e. cheap!!
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