Liaoning (Varyag) - Chinese Aircraft Carrier

[Vladimir79]

take it easy,it's just a park

You call them converting a marine engineering institute into a full scale model of a Kuznetsov class carrier a park?

 

[sayareakd]

This full scale model of AC, shows that Chines Navy is having trouble trainning with Varyag, therefore they have chosen to make a scale model of AC, which is smart move.

Unlike IN Chines PLA Navy dont have any experiance to operate its fighters from AC, it is understandable, but this building will be closely watched by satellites, that way others will moniter PLA navy progress.

 

[bengalraider]

A few runway ramps were spotted by satellite and you can goole out the infomation from the net.

The build belongs to China's warship research institute. It's not for take off training!

So is that plane i circled in the attached image fake?

 

[redragon]

that way others will moniter PLA navy progress.

They can see what they have been allowed, no one can hide an AC, but other technology or progress will still be underwater, nothing different.

 

[bengalraider]

China has put up a radar mast on the real "VARYAG" and on it's landlocked replica. pictures below
the real ship at dalian

the replica in wuhan

note the new grey radar mast on both.

 

[rockdog]

The Carrier is not important, but the shipyard is!

The Carrier is not important, but the shipyard and infrastructure is more meaningful:

It shows that, the infrastructure is ready for more production, and this is the Dalian Shipyard, on the very northern China.

From the image, still have more volume for bigger one, (the Varyag is 65,000t)

Dalain Shipyard

And, there will be another one in Shanghai, Southern China:

Shanghai Changxing Island Shipyard

 

[badguy2000]

the cost of AC is just a peanut ,compared with the cost of those shipyards.

 

[redragon]

the cost of AC is just a peanut ,compared with the cost of those shipyards.

Whose developing AC will be in service at first? Indian or Chinese?

 

[Singh]

the cost of AC is just a peanut ,compared with the cost of those shipyards.

expertise to build a AC > costs.

Whose developing AC will be in service at first? Indian or Chinese?

who cares ?

 

[amoy]

I'm looking forward to a debut of such an a/c. Why not? Just think of many many countries already have had such toys, including even Thailand, Argentina and India.

Let's not fear to own an A/C, Let's not own an A/C out of fear.

 

[aelite]

I think the question about the AC is not only shipyard, but aslo the technology of material and devices used . both of hard and soft they have. I 'm an engineering. So I know how hard to design and bulid an AC independently.

 

[nitesh]

oops it hurts:

China some time away from aircraft carrier capability: former Navy Chief

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“The PLA Navy is some years away from attaining [aircraft] carrier capability,” he said at the conclusion of a two-day seminar at the annual maritime power conference 2010, organised by the National Maritime Foundation.

Referring to China focussing on expansion of its Navy for the last two decades, possibly to address areas of maritime concern including Taiwan and its extended trade and energy sea lanes running across the Indian Ocean, he said the lack of an integral aviation capability is considered by the Chinese leadership to be a major handicap.

In its quest for an aircraft carrier during the last three decades China purchased hulls of three de-commissioned ships which led to periodic reports that a new or refurbished carrier unveiling was imminent.

“However, acquiring or even building a carrier is not China’s real problem; their dilemma is the type of aircraft that is going to be operated from the ship,” he said. In the current scenario China was unlikely to have access to a steam catapult to launch an aircraft from the deck and its option is confined to two Russian aircraft that use short take-off and arrested recovery, he added.

So, either Russia will have to give sufficient numbers of either MiG29 K [which India has procured for its aircraft carrier] or Su-33 fighter to equip its carriers or China design carrier aircraft in a hurry.

 

[Armand2REP]

China has put up a radar mast on the real "VARYAG" and on it's landlocked replica. pictures below
the real ship at dalian

the replica in wuhan

note the new grey radar mast on both.

Looks like they are going for the Russian Fregat radar.

 

[Armand2REP]

Whose developing AC will be in service at first? Indian or Chinese?

India will build one first, China isn't anywhere near to even cutting the steel due to inferior quality. China first has to master high grade techniques. The refurbishment of the Varyag will take many years to make operational as they are going to have to design a new engine for it, cut out the engineering section and replace it without compromising hull integrity. When it came from Ukraine it was stripped of everything, all the electrical fixtures are bare and rusted which will have to be replaced. We are seeing how hard it is for Russia and they made the damned thing. After 25 years of rust the structural integrity will have to be reinforced by replacing compromised sections and bulkheads. It is a total rebuild which will take a decade. That is why I think it will be nothing more than a training ship. It takes too much to get it sea worthy and China just doesn't have the experience.

 

[gogbot]

oops it hurts:

China some time away from aircraft carrier capability: former Navy Chief

.........

“The PLA Navy is some years away from attaining [aircraft] carrier capability,” he said at the conclusion of a two-day seminar at the annual maritime power conference 2010, organised by the National Maritime Foundation.

Referring to China focussing on expansion of its Navy for the last two decades, possibly to address areas of maritime concern including Taiwan and its extended trade and energy sea lanes running across the Indian Ocean, he said the lack of an integral aviation capability is considered by the Chinese leadership to be a major handicap.

In its quest for an aircraft carrier during the last three decades China purchased hulls of three de-commissioned ships which led to periodic reports that a new or refurbished carrier unveiling was imminent.

“However, acquiring or even building a carrier is not China’s real problem; their dilemma is the type of aircraft that is going to be operated from the ship,” he said. In the current scenario China was unlikely to have access to a steam catapult to launch an aircraft from the deck and its option is confined to two Russian aircraft that use short take-off and arrested recovery, he added.

So, either Russia will have to give sufficient numbers of either MiG29 K [which India has procured for its aircraft carrier] or Su-33 fighter to equip its carriers or China design carrier aircraft in a hurry.

Looks like they are going for the Russian Fregat radar.

You guys sure about that,
They may not have funtional trained crew for some time to come, but as far the carrier is concerned, Something might be going on in the Shadows.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/1917167/Chinese-nuclear-submarine-base.html

Chinese nuclear submarine base
China has secretly built a major underground nuclear submarine base that could threaten Asian countries and challenge American power in the region, it can be disclosed.


By Thomas Harding, Defence Correspondent
Published: 12:12PM BST 01 May 2008
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Map: Sanya naval base, China

Satellite imagery, passed to The Daily Telegraph, shows that a substantial harbour has been built which could house a score of nuclear ballistic missile submarines and a host of aircraft carriers.

In what will be a significant challenge to US Navy dominance and to countries ringing the South China Sea, one photograph shows China’s latest 094 nuclear submarine at the base just a few hundred miles from its neighbours.

Other images show numerous warships moored to long jettys and a network of underground tunnels at the Sanya base on the southern tip of Hainan island.

Of even greater concern to the Pentagon are massive tunnel entrances, estimated to be 60ft high, built into hillsides around the base. Sources fear they could lead to caverns capable of hiding up to 20 nuclear submarines from spy satellites.

The US Department of Defence has estimated that China will have five 094 nuclear submarines operational by 2010 with each capable of carrying 12 JL-2 nuclear missiles.

The images were obtained by Janes Intelligence Review after the periodical was given access to imagery from the commercial satellite company DigitalGlobe.

Analysts for the respected military magazine suggest that the base could be used for "expeditionary as well as defensive operations" and would allow the submarines to "break out to launch locations closer to the US".

It would now be "difficult to ignore" that China was building a major naval base where it could house its nuclear forces and increase it "strategic capability considerably further afield".

The development so close to the sea lanes vital to Asian economies "can only cause concern far beyond these straits".

Military analysts believe that China’s substantial build up of its forces is gaining pace put has remained hidden from the world in the build-up to the Olympics.

China has diverted much of its resources from the huge Peoples Liberation Army to the navy, air force and missile development.

An old Russian aircraft carrier, bought by Beijing for "leisure activities" has been picked over by naval architects who hope to "reverse engineer" the ship.

Within the next five to 10 years the People's Liberation Navy is expected to build up to six carriers which will also coincide with the Royal Navy’s construction of two major carriers.

The location of the base off Hainan will also give the submarines access to very deep water exceeding 5,000 metres within a few miles, making them even harder to detect.

Britain’s Trident submarines have to remain on the surface when they leave Faslane in north east Scotland and cannot dive to depth until outside the Irish Sea.

While it has been known that China might be developing an underground base at Sanya, the pictures provide the first proof of the base’s existence and the rapid progress made.

Two 950 metre piers and three smaller ones would be enough to accommodate two carrier strike groups or amphibious assault ships.

Christian Le Miere, editor for Jane's Intelligence Review, said the complex underlined Beijing’s plan “to assert tighter control over this region".

"This is a challenge to any hegemonic power, particularly the US which still remains dominant in the region."

So far China has offered no public explanation for its building at Sanya.

 

[Armand2REP]

You guys sure about that

The Wuhan mockup has one, all of their new surface combatents have them, it looks like the radar of choice for PLAN.

They may not have funtional trained crew for some time to come, but as far the carrier is concerned, Something might be going on in the Shadows.

You can't build an aircraft carrier in those caves.

 

[gogbot]

The Wuhan mockup has one, all of their new surface combatents have them, it looks like the radar of choice for PLAN.



You can't build an aircraft carrier in those caves.

The article says they are big enough.

 

[nitesh]

gobot don't try to derail the topic have you read my post what is mentioned there?

 

[Armand2REP]

The article says they are big enough.

Big enough to house one maybe, which I doubt, not build one.

 

[gogbot]

gobot don't try to derail the topic have you read my post what is mentioned there?

How am i derailing.

This is thread about Chinese Aircraft carriers, I posted an article about a Chinese base large enough to house a chines aircraft carrier.