Let the red flag fly over Tibet monasteries

[Ray]

Let the red flag fly over Tibet monasteries, says China's top official in the region
National flags will be installed in monasteries and Buddhist monks and nuns will be evaluated, the region's party chief Chen Quanguo says

China's top official in Tibet vowed to evaluate Buddhist monks and nuns for their "patriotism" and install national flags in monasteries to strengthen ideological control in the region.

The ruling Communist party will deepen "assessment activities" to ensure "model harmonious monasteries" as well as "patriotic, law-abiding monks and nuns", the region's party chief Chen Quanguo wrote in the People's Daily newspaper on Wednesday

It was not clear on what grounds the assessments would be made. China often uses terms such as "patriotic" and "harmonious" to mean allegiance to political authorities.

The drive would be aimed at making monks and nuns "feel the warmth and care of the Party and government", Mr Chen added.

Many Tibetans accuse the government of religious repression and eroding their culture, claims denied by Beijing, which says it has brought development to the region.

Large anti-government protests at several monasteries in 2008 led authorities in Tibetan regions to step-up a "patriotic education" campaign aimed at monks and nuns.

Tensions between Tibetans and the Chinese government continue to run high, with more than 130 members of the minority setting themselves on fire in protest since 2009.

All monasteries must be equipped with "national flags, telephone connections, newspapers and reading rooms", Mr Chen wrote, adding that roads to tie such facilities more closely to other parts of Tibet would also be built.

Propaganda activities aimed at leading more monks to "educate themselves in patriotism" will also be held, he said.

Mr Chen has made hard-line comments before, including a 2013 vow to ensure that the "voice" of spiritual leader the Dalai Lama would "not be seen or heard" anywhere in the region.

The Nobel laureate has lived in exile since he fled in 1959 following a failed uprising against Chinese rule.

Let the red flag fly over Tibet monasteries, says China’s top official in the region - Telegraph

It is pathetic to see the idiotic length the Chinese can go to force people to believing in something that they don't believe in and abhor.

Do citizens require to be taught 'patriotism' or does it come naturally because one is proud to belong to a Nation?

If indeed the Chinese want to gauge the 'patriotism' of Tibetan to China, they should hold a vote and an election.

At least that way they can know how the wind blows.

 

[Zeratul]

Hi Chairman , nice to see you again!

About Tibet, it's not a simple problem like the news , it's very complex.

About vote and election , we tried between 1912 and 1937. It's not useful for us.

In this world , if vote and election useful ,it must be an developed country or an area, the people also rich relatively.

if in an poor area or country , vote and election usual bring split and conflict . Like the Middle East.

 

[Ray]

Hi Chairman , nice to see you again!

About Tibet, it's not a simple problem like the news , it's very complex.

About vote and election , we tried between 1912 and 1937. It's not useful for us.

In this world , if vote and election useful ,it must be an developed country or an area, the people also rich relatively.

if in an poor area or country , vote and election usual bring split and conflict . Like the Middle East.

What tommy rot.

Come to the point.

 

[Zeratul]

What tommy rot.

Come to the point.

The point is , if you know China's history ,you will know we are very weak since 1840.

Now ,we are not weak any more , why ? when we fall into hell ,none can help us except ourselves.

Maybe we have different purpose. I'm not sure about India's purpose ,Maybe freedom or democracy or some other else.

China's purpose is nation's growing, the quality of people's life.

 

[Ray]

The point is , if you know China's history ,you will know we are very weak since 1840.

Now ,we are not weak any more , why ? when we fall into hell ,none can help us except ourselves.

Maybe we have different purpose. I'm not sure about India's purpose ,Maybe freedom or democracy or some other else.

China's purpose is nation's growing, the quality of people's life.

Well, I know Chinese history to some extent.

China was not the China as we today.

China or Han China was around the Yellow River. Then the various dynasties conquered areas South and West to consolidate into what is today's China.

Yes, First Opium War (1840) did make China look weak and the Taiping Rebellion of Hong Xiuquan followed by the Punti–Hakka Clan Wars, Nian Rebellion, Dungan Revolt, and Panthay Rebellion made China appear weak. But then it was the fault of the Chinese people because actually they were not really Han, but were cooked 'barbarians' (shufan) and the 'outer people' (wei ren).

Now, you are no longer weak because the Communist control the mindspace and independence of the people. They have no choice.

 

[Zeratul]

Well, I know Chinese history to some extent.

China was not the China as we today.

China or Han China was around the Yellow River. Then the various dynasties conquered areas South and West to consolidate into what is today's China.

Yes, First Opium War (1840) did make China look weak and the Taiping Rebellion of Hong Xiuquan followed by the Punti–Hakka Clan Wars, Nian Rebellion, Dungan Revolt, and Panthay Rebellion made China appear weak. But then it was the fault of the Chinese people because actually they were not really Han, but were cooked 'barbarians' (shufan) and the 'outer people' (wei ren).

Now, you are no longer weak because the Communist control the mindspace and independence of the people. They have no choice.

Causality is wrong. People want to be strong and rich, then they choose the communist. Not the communist control people make them strong and rich.

I find a very different point between China and India. especially in old china and old india. our opinion is if the man speak chinese and live as chinese way(include marriage),

he is chinese, no matter about his race. the judgment is based on civilization not rase or Ethnic lines.

 

[Ray]

Causality is wrong. People want to be strong and rich, then they choose the communist. Not the communist control people make them strong and rich.

I find a very different point between China and India. especially in old china and old india. our opinion is if the man speak chinese and live as chinese way(include marriage),

he is chinese, no matter about his race. the judgment is based on civilization not rase or Ethnic lines.

If people who want to be rich and strong have to choose Communism, then how come the US is not a Communist country? They are the richest and the strongest.

Therefore, you are merely clutching at straws since you have no options but to parrot the Communist line and praise it lest you are rounded up at night and put in a Laogai. Remember, as a China, you IIRC asked what is a Laogai and answered it? That was a fraud that you did pretending you did not know what is a Laogai!

Just because one speaks Mandarin, does not make him a Han.

The Bai Yue have been forced to speak Mandarin, but they are not really Han.

Heard of the Hakka language?

Common vocabulary is found in Hakka, Min, and She (Hmong–Mien) languages.

The relationship of Gan and Hakka is one of the most hotly disputed questions in Chinese dialectology. Two important issues are:
(a) do Hakka and Gan subgroup together, or does Hakka subgroup with Yue and Min? and
(b) did Hakka and/or Gan arise in the south, or are they northern dialects transplanted into the south?

Are these the same as Mandarin?

You are wrong. Race and ethnicity matters.

 

[t_co]

It is pathetic to see the idiotic length the Chinese can go to force people to believing in something that they don't believe in and abhor.

Do citizens require to be taught 'patriotism' or does it come naturally because one is proud to belong to a Nation?

If indeed the Chinese want to gauge the 'patriotism' of Tibetan to China, they should hold a vote and an election.

At least that way they can know how the wind blows.

There are no Tibetans in China. There are only Tibetan Chinese. Should anyone feel they are not Chinese, they are welcome to leave China and head to Dharamsala.

 

[mattster]

There are no Tibetans in China. There are only Tibetan Chinese. Should anyone feel they are not Chinese, they are welcome to leave China and head to Dharamsala.

China......What a freaking PATHETIC country. The year is 2015.......that means its been two thousand freaking years since the birth of Christ.

Mankind has gone thru waves and waves of world wars, evolution, revolutions and technological advances that were unthinkable a century ago.......And yet, you freaking Chinaman feel the need to pull nuns and monks out of their monasteries and subject them to a "patriotism test".


If there is ever a marker for a morally and spiritually bankrupt society and ideology - China would be it.
What a shit-hole of a political system ??