LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Bleh]

Our boi @Kuntal really nailed this one!

 

[manindra]

Wasn't a desi HMD Also developed as joint venture with Samtel, know anything?.. @patriots @porky_kicker

I think MIG 29UPG & upgraded Mirage 2000 uses Topsight HMDS

 

[Narasimh]

When is the next DAC chai party? A Krishnan suggested deal to be signed by Christmas. Hope it's not delayed again..

 

[Bleh]

When is the next DAC chai party? A Krishnan suggested deal to be signed by Christmas. Hope it's not delayed again..

Nope, heard same. 2nd or 3rd week of Dec.

20 Dec, Tejas got IOC. Maybe on that day.

 

[Bleh]

More on Mark1A signing & IOC anniversary.

 

[FalconZero]

India has offered a modified version of NLCA for US Navy for training aircrafts.
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In a reversal of roles, India has offered the US a fighter jet trainer required by its navy for pilot training on aircraft carriers, marking the first major weapons sales pitch by New Delhi to Washington. The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

ET has learnt that India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft. The aircraft on offer brings in experience gained by Indian developers from the naval version of the LCA that has successfully demonstrated operations from an aircraft carrier.

While the US is still evaluating the offer, India sent in a detailed project plan, which includes advanced avionics that enable the LIFT LCA to mimic almost all types of fighter jets, from cockpit display layout to control performances.

“We have done all the work in house,” Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairperson R Madhavan told ET. “The same platform can be used to mimic any other platform. All that needs to be done is put in the flying characteristics and things will change to the selected aircraft. For example, if they Rafale characteristics, to the pilot it will seem like he is flying Rafale, which will help in the advanced training process.”

The aircraft on offer is based on the LCA Mk 1A that is on order by the Indian Air Force and a demonstrator can be produced if the US Navy goes ahead with the selection process and shortlists it for the next step, which is formal request for proposals (RFP).

While India will be going against a clutch of global manufacturers with a history of developing trainers, developers feel there is an even chance for success as an aircraft of the type does not currently exists. In addition, the LCA is one of the few jets in the world that has a demonstrated capability of operating from an aircraft carrier.

As per the US Navy RFI, the LCA meets all basic parameters being asked for, which includes an operational aircraft capable of field carrier landing practice and carrier touch and go events. The naval version of the LCA has been tested extensively on both at the shore-based testing facility in Goa as well as the INS Vikramaditya.

With the LIFT version of LCA expected to meet both domestic and worldwide demands, plans are underway to produce a demonstrator aircraft along with the upcoming order for 83 LCA Mk 1 as that is being placed by the air force and is expected to be signed this financial year.

The US has been a significant exporter of military equipment to India, ranging from transport aircraft to artillery guns and attack helicopters. There has been a strong pitch by US arms manufacturers to gather a bigger slice of the India market, with offers in place for new fighter jets, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and air defence systems among others.

Role reversal: India offers US fighter jet trainer in 1st major defence sales pitch

The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

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Confidence dekh rhe ho inka

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

India has offered a modified version of NLCA for US Navy for training aircrafts.
--------------------------------------------------------------
In a reversal of roles, India has offered the US a fighter jet trainer required by its navy for pilot training on aircraft carriers, marking the first major weapons sales pitch by New Delhi to Washington. The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

ET has learnt that India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft. The aircraft on offer brings in experience gained by Indian developers from the naval version of the LCA that has successfully demonstrated operations from an aircraft carrier.

While the US is still evaluating the offer, India sent in a detailed project plan, which includes advanced avionics that enable the LIFT LCA to mimic almost all types of fighter jets, from cockpit display layout to control performances.

“We have done all the work in house,” Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairperson R Madhavan told ET. “The same platform can be used to mimic any other platform. All that needs to be done is put in the flying characteristics and things will change to the selected aircraft. For example, if they Rafale characteristics, to the pilot it will seem like he is flying Rafale, which will help in the advanced training process.”

The aircraft on offer is based on the LCA Mk 1A that is on order by the Indian Air Force and a demonstrator can be produced if the US Navy goes ahead with the selection process and shortlists it for the next step, which is formal request for proposals (RFP).

While India will be going against a clutch of global manufacturers with a history of developing trainers, developers feel there is an even chance for success as an aircraft of the type does not currently exists. In addition, the LCA is one of the few jets in the world that has a demonstrated capability of operating from an aircraft carrier.

As per the US Navy RFI, the LCA meets all basic parameters being asked for, which includes an operational aircraft capable of field carrier landing practice and carrier touch and go events. The naval version of the LCA has been tested extensively on both at the shore-based testing facility in Goa as well as the INS Vikramaditya.

With the LIFT version of LCA expected to meet both domestic and worldwide demands, plans are underway to produce a demonstrator aircraft along with the upcoming order for 83 LCA Mk 1 as that is being placed by the air force and is expected to be signed this financial year.

The US has been a significant exporter of military equipment to India, ranging from transport aircraft to artillery guns and attack helicopters. There has been a strong pitch by US arms manufacturers to gather a bigger slice of the India market, with offers in place for new fighter jets, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and air defence systems among others.

Role reversal: India offers US fighter jet trainer in 1st major defence sales pitch

The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

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Confidence dekh rhe ho inka

Just co-opt with USN for CAT launch of LIFT Trainer NLCA and offer that solution for CATAPULT Launch Trainer also, that will be make NLCA a comprehensive NAVAL TRAINER across all type of AirCraft Carriers.

Learn about CAT Launch with USN, which will come handy while developing future IAC with Catapult.

If this happens then all aspects of 4.5 gen fighter aircraft development is achieved by India.

 

[Bleh]

India has offered a modified version of NLCA for US Navy for training aircrafts.
--------------------------------------------------------------
In a reversal of roles, India has offered the US a fighter jet trainer required by its navy for pilot training on aircraft carriers, marking the first major weapons sales pitch by New Delhi to Washington. The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

ET has learnt that India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft. The aircraft on offer brings in experience gained by Indian developers from the naval version of the LCA that has successfully demonstrated operations from an aircraft carrier.

While the US is still evaluating the offer, India sent in a detailed project plan, which includes advanced avionics that enable the LIFT LCA to mimic almost all types of fighter jets, from cockpit display layout to control performances.

“We have done all the work in house,” Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairperson R Madhavan told ET. “The same platform can be used to mimic any other platform. All that needs to be done is put in the flying characteristics and things will change to the selected aircraft. For example, if they Rafale characteristics, to the pilot it will seem like he is flying Rafale, which will help in the advanced training process.”

The aircraft on offer is based on the LCA Mk 1A that is on order by the Indian Air Force and a demonstrator can be produced if the US Navy goes ahead with the selection process and shortlists it for the next step, which is formal request for proposals (RFP).

While India will be going against a clutch of global manufacturers with a history of developing trainers, developers feel there is an even chance for success as an aircraft of the type does not currently exists. In addition, the LCA is one of the few jets in the world that has a demonstrated capability of operating from an aircraft carrier.

As per the US Navy RFI, the LCA meets all basic parameters being asked for, which includes an operational aircraft capable of field carrier landing practice and carrier touch and go events. The naval version of the LCA has been tested extensively on both at the shore-based testing facility in Goa as well as the INS Vikramaditya.

With the LIFT version of LCA expected to meet both domestic and worldwide demands, plans are underway to produce a demonstrator aircraft along with the upcoming order for 83 LCA Mk 1 as that is being placed by the air force and is expected to be signed this financial year.

The US has been a significant exporter of military equipment to India, ranging from transport aircraft to artillery guns and attack helicopters. There has been a strong pitch by US arms manufacturers to gather a bigger slice of the India market, with offers in place for new fighter jets, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and air defence systems among others.

Role reversal: India offers US fighter jet trainer in 1st major defence sales pitch

The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

------------------------------------------------------

Confidence dekh rhe ho inka

Just co-opt with USN for CAT launch of LIFT Trainer NLCA and offer that solution for CATAPULT Launch Trainer also, that will be make NLCA a comprehensive NAVAL TRAINER across all type of AirCraft Carriers.

Learn about CAT Launch with USN, which will come handy while developing future IAC with Catapult.

If this happens then all aspects of 4.5 gen fighter aircraft development is achieved by India.

"...India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft."

To be fair, no carrier-capable jet triner exists & Tejas Navy would make a fine LIFT... But should've tried the small fish like Argentina first for better odds.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

"...India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft."

To be fair, no carrier-capable jet triner exists & Tejas Navy would make a fine LIFT... But should've tried the small fish like Argentina first for better odds.

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Which AC is operated by Argentina???

Last one

ARA Veinticinco de Mayo

got scrapped in ALANG, GUJARAT, INDIA in 2000.

What you are saying speaks volumes about your knowledge and confidence in LCA Project.

They are offering the Fighter Jet to BEST NAVY in the world, which speaks about, confidence ADA & HAL has in their own work.

NEVAL LCS is in the sweet spot along with SPORT variant, which right now, no other CARRIER CERTIFIED FIGHTER JET has. Which can qualify as LEAD IN FIGHTER TRAINER (LIFT) .

 

[Bleh]

Which AC is operated by Argentina???

...What you are saying speaks volumes about your knowledge and confidence in LCA Project.

I know about the Argentina deal that we missed but had amongst 100% guarantee of securing orders (...unlike this).
And here, I wrote about advantages helfd by "NEVAL LCS" visavis US deal, being the only carrier-capable LIFT in the world.

Kindly read the posts properly & understand before replying.

 

[SKC]

India has offered a modified version of NLCA for US Navy for training aircrafts.
--------------------------------------------------------------
In a reversal of roles, India has offered the US a fighter jet trainer required by its navy for pilot training on aircraft carriers, marking the first major weapons sales pitch by New Delhi to Washington. The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

ET has learnt that India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft. The aircraft on offer brings in experience gained by Indian developers from the naval version of the LCA that has successfully demonstrated operations from an aircraft carrier.

While the US is still evaluating the offer, India sent in a detailed project plan, which includes advanced avionics that enable the LIFT LCA to mimic almost all types of fighter jets, from cockpit display layout to control performances.

“We have done all the work in house,” Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairperson R Madhavan told ET. “The same platform can be used to mimic any other platform. All that needs to be done is put in the flying characteristics and things will change to the selected aircraft. For example, if they Rafale characteristics, to the pilot it will seem like he is flying Rafale, which will help in the advanced training process.”

The aircraft on offer is based on the LCA Mk 1A that is on order by the Indian Air Force and a demonstrator can be produced if the US Navy goes ahead with the selection process and shortlists it for the next step, which is formal request for proposals (RFP).

While India will be going against a clutch of global manufacturers with a history of developing trainers, developers feel there is an even chance for success as an aircraft of the type does not currently exists. In addition, the LCA is one of the few jets in the world that has a demonstrated capability of operating from an aircraft carrier.

As per the US Navy RFI, the LCA meets all basic parameters being asked for, which includes an operational aircraft capable of field carrier landing practice and carrier touch and go events. The naval version of the LCA has been tested extensively on both at the shore-based testing facility in Goa as well as the INS Vikramaditya.

With the LIFT version of LCA expected to meet both domestic and worldwide demands, plans are underway to produce a demonstrator aircraft along with the upcoming order for 83 LCA Mk 1 as that is being placed by the air force and is expected to be signed this financial year.

The US has been a significant exporter of military equipment to India, ranging from transport aircraft to artillery guns and attack helicopters. There has been a strong pitch by US arms manufacturers to gather a bigger slice of the India market, with offers in place for new fighter jets, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and air defence systems among others.

Role reversal: India offers US fighter jet trainer in 1st major defence sales pitch

The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

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Confidence dekh rhe ho inka

Not bad. US has history of grabbing any good enough platform other countries. They made Harriers locally when the harriers were the hottest naval aircrafts.
This proposal is for the Trainer version. Could go though but they will pressure on F/A-18 sales to Indian Navy.

 

[Bleh]

Could go though but they will pressure on F/A-18 sales to Indian Navy.

Oh right!.. Yes, India could play that card if F-18 is chosen in the new joint IAF/IN MRFA deal. F414 commonality withMWF & AMCA Mk1 would be a factor too.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Yeah Unlike you, I know about the Argentina deal that we missed but had amongst 100% guarantee of securing orders (...unlike this).
And here, I wrote about advantages helfd by "NEVAL LCS" visavis US deal, being the only carrier-capable LIFT in the world.

Kindly read the posts properly before replying... or keep your bullshit in the cow threads.

What ULTIMATELY happened to "LOST OPPORTUNITY" which S.KOREA grabbed with KIA FA-50 deal????

How many were negotiated???

How many were ordered???

How many FA-50 ultimately landed in Argentina???

And why the Argentina is dragging its feet???

How many componets of the FA-50 have British origin, which has given the alibi to Argentina to keep suspending the indefenately???



The financial position of Argentina is same as Pakistan i.e. virtually Bankrupt. Nanga Nahayga kaya aur nichodega kaya.

Heck I feel pity equating Argentina with Pakistan (sorry), but it is sad reality.

advantages helfd by "NEVAL LCS" visavis US deal

Kindly read the posts properly before replying.. or keep your bullshit in the cow threads.

P.S. : COW WORSHIPERS are far-far better then the PROGENY OF "SIN", who always FEAR WRATH OF GOD. COW WORSHIPERS dont fear the God they worship, infact their God Loves them.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Guys this happened to Argentinian KAI FA-50 Fighter Deal.

Curious case of Argentinian fighter jets

Fighter jets are crème of the crop of any air force. They are crucial for protecting a country's airspace, a thing Argentina learned that the hard way during the Falklands war. But what became of its air force later?

www.aerotime.aero

The final blow
Finally, a potential seller that was far enough from the United Kingdom was found: in the summer of 2019 Argentina announced that Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) attracted their interest with T-50 advanced trainers. After the failure to push the aircraft through the U.S. T-X trainer program, KAI seemed like a willing provider.

There is a debate whether the FA-50, the combat variant of the T-50 trainer, could really be called a fighter jet. With its supersonic speed, ability to carry precision-guided munitions and provision for aerial refueling, it was miles above anything the FAA previously wielded. Still, it left a lot to desire in comparison with even the previous generation of purpose-built fighters, lacking both in power and in payload. Beneath all the upgrades it was still a trainer, designed to offer pilots a possibility to experience advanced weapons systems in a supersonic package, before transitioning to real combat airplanes.

Yet another problem was the size of the order. Mirages and Daggers long gone, the “new” A-4 ground attack planes were heavily aged as well, and reportedly, just a couple of them were still in flyable condition. Although official numbers on the FA-50 deal never came out, both Argentinian and Korean media reported the potential purchase of 10 jets. Although better than nothing, such a miniaturisation was nothing but extreme.

The contract was being worked on, but not yet finalized, when the COVID-19 pandemic struck. As the world’s economy began withering, expensive military hardware lost primary importance. In April 2020, KAI announced that the negotiations were on indefinite hold. Seemingly, this did not mean that they were cancelled – possibly, a renewal was to be expected as soon as the economic situation improves.

But then, on November 3, the Argentinian Defence Minister shared a letter from KAI, where the sale of the FA-50 was described as impossible due to six major components being manufactured in the U.K. and thus subjected to its arms embargo. It is unclear how the talks could progress to such a late stage without this fact being revealed.

Following the development, Julio Martinez – a former Argentinian defense minister, under whose guidance many rounds of unsuccessful talks were conducted in the 2010s – said that more aircraft have been lost during last years of inactivity than during the Falklands war. He pointed out that Fábrica Argentina de Aviones, despite employing over 1,500 people, did not produce a single aircraft in ten years. Which is not true – it produced several light trainers for pilots to train flying fighter jets that just are not there.

An argument can be made that the FAA does not really have a capability to maintain modern, expensive fighter jets – the entire defense budget of the country was around $4.6 billion in 2016, most of it covering personal expenses. A counter to that would be something like Finnish Defence Forces, whose budget – smaller by one billion – allows it to maintain a sizable air force with plans to heavily modernize it, possibly with 5th generation fighter jets. Norway, which in 2016 had similar spending to Argentina, continues to purchase a new batch of F-35s (the most expensive fighter jets currently available) every year.

It seems, it is very difficult to find fighter jets without any part produced in UK, Britain’s diplomacy, thus, finishing the job its Navy started doing in the early 80s. Another view of the situation – showing Argentinian stubbornness as the main culprit –- could be taken on, as it is quite clear that if the country does not try to normalize its international relations, it may never acquire any semblance of a capable Air Force. Thus, the diminishment of the FAA remains unrivalled in the rest of the World.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

India has offered a modified version of NLCA for US Navy for training aircrafts.
--------------------------------------------------------------
In a reversal of roles, India has offered the US a fighter jet trainer required by its navy for pilot training on aircraft carriers, marking the first major weapons sales pitch by New Delhi to Washington. The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

ET has learnt that India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft. The aircraft on offer brings in experience gained by Indian developers from the naval version of the LCA that has successfully demonstrated operations from an aircraft carrier.

While the US is still evaluating the offer, India sent in a detailed project plan, which includes advanced avionics that enable the LIFT LCA to mimic almost all types of fighter jets, from cockpit display layout to control performances.

“We have done all the work in house,” Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) chairperson R Madhavan told ET. “The same platform can be used to mimic any other platform. All that needs to be done is put in the flying characteristics and things will change to the selected aircraft. For example, if they Rafale characteristics, to the pilot it will seem like he is flying Rafale, which will help in the advanced training process.”

The aircraft on offer is based on the LCA Mk 1A that is on order by the Indian Air Force and a demonstrator can be produced if the US Navy goes ahead with the selection process and shortlists it for the next step, which is formal request for proposals (RFP).

While India will be going against a clutch of global manufacturers with a history of developing trainers, developers feel there is an even chance for success as an aircraft of the type does not currently exists. In addition, the LCA is one of the few jets in the world that has a demonstrated capability of operating from an aircraft carrier.

As per the US Navy RFI, the LCA meets all basic parameters being asked for, which includes an operational aircraft capable of field carrier landing practice and carrier touch and go events. The naval version of the LCA has been tested extensively on both at the shore-based testing facility in Goa as well as the INS Vikramaditya.

With the LIFT version of LCA expected to meet both domestic and worldwide demands, plans are underway to produce a demonstrator aircraft along with the upcoming order for 83 LCA Mk 1 as that is being placed by the air force and is expected to be signed this financial year.

The US has been a significant exporter of military equipment to India, ranging from transport aircraft to artillery guns and attack helicopters. There has been a strong pitch by US arms manufacturers to gather a bigger slice of the India market, with offers in place for new fighter jets, unmanned combat aerial vehicles and air defence systems among others.

Role reversal: India offers US fighter jet trainer in 1st major defence sales pitch

The Indian offer is for the Undergraduate Jet Training System (UJTS) for which the US Navy has launched a global search.

economictimes.indiatimes.com

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Confidence dekh rhe ho inka

Kyu, apni baat bolne me kya dikkat hai sirji .
Good that they are actively trying for export orders.
But I nonetheless presume if it's too ambitious or not .

 

[Bleh]

Kyu, apni baat bolne me kya dikkat hai sirji .
Good that they are actively trying for export orders.
But I nonetheless presume if it's too ambitious or not .

As per articles "...India responded to the official Request for Information (RFI) with a Lead in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) version of the indigenous Light Combat Aircraft."

Probably to be used as a pressure-point by US in an attempt to ensure GOI chooses F-18 for IAF & IN.

 

[Bleh]

FA-50 has been replaced as only option by Pakistan's Jf-17... Who grabs every opportunity & probably will secure a dozen or two more orders, if it doesn't fall through.

 

[ArgonPrime]

What's worse is these types aren't bothered by that fact that FA-50 has been replaced as only option by Pakistan's Jf-17... Who grabs every opportunity & probably will secure a dozen or two more orders, if it doesn't fall through.

Very true. But that's not just it, the way he replied to you was completely unjustified.

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Bhaiya Lost Argentinean Deal??? - What is it???

the deal which was notional ie which is still suspence???
And it is news that the Argentinean Deal is now grabbed by Pakistan!!!!!!!!

Congratulation to both Pakistan and Argentina.

 

[fire starter]

No matter how much junk fighter China exports but it doesn't proves the fact that it is better than LCA.