LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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Love for Tejas from IAF and it's mighty generals. Their knowledge of indigenous product might kill you. Infact, Veteran has given a hint how could IAF put MWF on death path.

If not for that man from Goa, who was indeed firm in his stance.
Our air force would have ķilled it long long ago , mwf , lch all of these would have been killed.
 

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They sa,y they won't comprise on kwality ( hahhahahhhahhaaaa :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:)
So they won't induct indigenous products till they attain maturity on par with foreign products.
Won't some one tell them that , these foreign products were also once immature yet their air forces inducted them, ask why ?
Because they had self respect, an airforce which still really loves , na adores na dotes over these flying coffins called mig 21s , what can you expect from them?
Vishnu ji
 

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If not for that man from Goa, who was indeed firm in his stance.
Our air force would have ķilled it long long ago , mwf , lch all of these would have been killed.
If he would have been alive we could atleast see lch in our forces by now
Anyways due to him we got 83 tejas and 36 Rafale
So that's it wait for next 8 years from next DM to come and do something worthy until then bear DM like rajnath nirmala
 

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They sa,y they won't comprise on kwality ( hahhahahhhahhaaaa :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :pound: :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:)
So they won't induct indigenous products till they attain maturity on par with foreign products.
Won't some one tell them that , these foreign products were also once immature yet their air forces inducted them, ask why ?
Because they had self respect, an airforce which still really loves , na adores na dotes over these flying coffins called mig 21s , what can you expect from them?
Vishnu ji
Point is a man will have to work for money and foreign deals is profitable
Psu can't provide those
They work for money rather than betterment of nation
 

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These Carrom board warriors knowledge is astonishing and so does their Samosa gobbling trainings.

Thank Bhagwan, China came to LAC to show UN Armed forces mirror otherwise we were unaware that beyond the Himalayas there is a country called China. That too a
enemy country and had lost a war as well.

Before 2020, UN Generals used to think, Kuch nhi BC 5-6 Apache le kar jaunga or poore China ki MC kar dunga.
 

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Love for Tejas from IAF and it's mighty generals. Their knowledge of indigenous product might kill you. Infact, Veteran has given a hint how could IAF put MWF on death path.

This is from a biased chinese news media website. I would take it with a highly grain of salt.
 

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Love for Tejas from IAF and it's mighty generals. Their knowledge of indigenous product might kill you. Infact, Veteran has given a hint how could IAF put MWF on death path.

Eurasian times ne kuch sikke feke honge genrail sahab ke upar,genrail sahab naach gaye...
 

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Hello there here is the full article

Many people are surprised that this Asian fighter model is more expensive than Russia's Su-57 fighter.

This fighter is built to carry out exceedingly ambitious goals. What accounts for the

high price?

The Indian Air Force authorised a contract to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A light single-engine fighter aircraft in January 2021, marking the second highest order for this type of aircraft [after the original order of 40 components].

India began developing Tejas in the early 1980s, following more than 40 years of research and development and a long wait.

In December 2019, the Indian Air Force certified this aircraft model. It has a similar mass to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistan's JF-17. but is substantially lighter than more sophisticated single-engine designs like the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and the Chinese 1-10 Firebird.
Many of Tejas' essential technologies are obtained from foreign sources, including the US F404 engine, Israeli sensors, electronics, and missiles, despite the fact that it is billed as an indigenous fighter programme. Russian air-to-air communication.

Many countries and regions, from Sweden to Taiwan, had previously explored the development of light and low-cost domestic fighter aircraft for a variety of reasons.

It not only allows them to modify and adapt the aircraft model to the needs of the domestic

armed forces, but it also allows them to pursue their own design ideas and build domestic

high level technology. Furthermore, domestically produced aircraft models are frequently less

expensive than imported models on the market.

Given India's massive intentions to expand its fighter jet force [which include the addition of hundreds of new squadrons in the near future], a domestic plane A low-cost, lightweight aircraft that will offer New Delhi with a cost-effective means of accomplishing this while staying within India's defence budget constraints.

The only issue is that the Tejas model makes it nearly hard to meet the criteria of a low cost fighter due to its substantial reliance on extremely expensive foreign technologies. The Indian Ministry of Defense paid $62.7 million per aircraft for the initial procurement.

According to Business Standard, there were concerns that each Tejas would cost more than $70 million to produce by 2021, but senior Indian government sources indicated the cost would be more than $70 million at the time. Each Tejas Mark 1A variant will cost no more than 43 millio n dollars to produce [under the agreement to sell 83 aircraft to the Indian Air Force].

Tejas cannot compete with Pakistan's JF 17, Ching Kuo, and Brave models due to India's procurement of the F404 engine, Israeli sensors and electronics at export costs, and pricey parts. Taiwan's Eagle, China's 1-10 and 1 15, or the F-16 of the United States.

The American model F-35A can be used as an illustration of the price disparity between locally built and exported fighter jets, according to MW magazine. The F-35A was acquired by the US Air Force for around $80 million each, but is now being sold for almost $200 million on the export market.

Similarly, while the Russian Su-57 is currently the most expensive fighter jet outside of the West to be offered in the export market [at around $110 million each], it is offered to the Russian Air Force at a unit price of 35 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) and nearly 40 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) (according to 2021 information, National Interest magazine).

When comparing the costs at which Russia and the US buy Su-57 and F-35A to service the built and exported fighter jets, according to MW magazine. The F-35A was acquired by the US Air Force for around $80 million each, but is now being sold for almost $200 million on the export market.

Similarly, while the Russian Su 57 is currently the most expensive fighter jet outside of the West to be offered in the export market [at around $110 million each], it is offered to the Russian Air Force at a unit price of 35 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) and nearly 40 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) (according to 2021 information, National Interest magazine).

When comparing the costs at which Russia and the US buy Su-57 and F-35A to service the country's armed forces, Tejas offers India a lower cost benefit. Not to mention that the Russian and American fighter planes are both heavier and more advanced than the Indian fighter variant.
 

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😅We didn't remove your comment we removed the article
 

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Hello there here is the full article

Many people are surprised that this Asian fighter model is more expensive than Russia's Su-57 fighter.

This fighter is built to carry out exceedingly ambitious goals. What accounts for the

high price?

The Indian Air Force authorised a contract to purchase 83 Tejas Mk1A light single-engine fighter aircraft in January 2021, marking the second highest order for this type of aircraft [after the original order of 40 components].

India began developing Tejas in the early 1980s, following more than 40 years of research and development and a long wait.

In December 2019, the Indian Air Force certified this aircraft model. It has a similar mass to the Swedish Gripen and Pakistan's JF-17. but is substantially lighter than more sophisticated single-engine designs like the American F-16 Fighting Falcon and the Chinese 1-10 Firebird.
Many of Tejas' essential technologies are obtained from foreign sources, including the US F404 engine, Israeli sensors, electronics, and missiles, despite the fact that it is billed as an indigenous fighter programme. Russian air-to-air communication.

Many countries and regions, from Sweden to Taiwan, had previously explored the development of light and low-cost domestic fighter aircraft for a variety of reasons.

It not only allows them to modify and adapt the aircraft model to the needs of the domestic

armed forces, but it also allows them to pursue their own design ideas and build domestic

high level technology. Furthermore, domestically produced aircraft models are frequently less

expensive than imported models on the market.

Given India's massive intentions to expand its fighter jet force [which include the addition of hundreds of new squadrons in the near future], a domestic plane A low-cost, lightweight aircraft that will offer New Delhi with a cost-effective means of accomplishing this while staying within India's defence budget constraints.

The only issue is that the Tejas model makes it nearly hard to meet the criteria of a low cost fighter due to its substantial reliance on extremely expensive foreign technologies. The Indian Ministry of Defense paid $62.7 million per aircraft for the initial procurement.

According to Business Standard, there were concerns that each Tejas would cost more than $70 million to produce by 2021, but senior Indian government sources indicated the cost would be more than $70 million at the time. Each Tejas Mark 1A variant will cost no more than 43 millio n dollars to produce [under the agreement to sell 83 aircraft to the Indian Air Force].

Tejas cannot compete with Pakistan's JF 17, Ching Kuo, and Brave models due to India's procurement of the F404 engine, Israeli sensors and electronics at export costs, and pricey parts. Taiwan's Eagle, China's 1-10 and 1 15, or the F-16 of the United States.

The American model F-35A can be used as an illustration of the price disparity between locally built and exported fighter jets, according to MW magazine. The F-35A was acquired by the US Air Force for around $80 million each, but is now being sold for almost $200 million on the export market.

Similarly, while the Russian Su-57 is currently the most expensive fighter jet outside of the West to be offered in the export market [at around $110 million each], it is offered to the Russian Air Force at a unit price of 35 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) and nearly 40 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) (according to 2021 information, National Interest magazine).

When comparing the costs at which Russia and the US buy Su-57 and F-35A to service the built and exported fighter jets, according to MW magazine. The F-35A was acquired by the US Air Force for around $80 million each, but is now being sold for almost $200 million on the export market.

Similarly, while the Russian Su 57 is currently the most expensive fighter jet outside of the West to be offered in the export market [at around $110 million each], it is offered to the Russian Air Force at a unit price of 35 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) and nearly 40 million USD (according to 2019 information from MW magazine) (according to 2021 information, National Interest magazine).

When comparing the costs at which Russia and the US buy Su-57 and F-35A to service the country's armed forces, Tejas offers India a lower cost benefit. Not to mention that the Russian and American fighter planes are both heavier and more advanced than the Indian fighter variant.
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What a load of Bullshit! How can the SU-57 offered to the Russian Airforce at a cost of 35 million dollars?

If in real life, the SU-57 was indeed this cheap than Russia would have been operating atleast 10-20 such Fighters today, but Russia is not, why? Because SU-57 is more expensive than any other Russian fighter aircraft (i.e SU-35/SU-30SM etc).

At that price tag of 35 million dollars, this jet would be cheaper than even SU-30 and SU-35, I am sorry to say this but that’s impossible with the relatively small batch of SU-57 ordered and also the difficulty and cost associated with manufacturing 3 different AESA radars, new generation engines, weapons, data-link, ECM and airframe.

SOURCE of info about SU-57 cost : @Neptune

So Conclusion, SU-57 is no way in "Heck" cheaper than Tejas. It's simply defies logic at this point.

Sorry this Article is nothing but full of lies and nothing else. Would not trust this as a source.
 

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These Carrom board warriors knowledge is astonishing and so does their Samosa gobbling trainings.

Thank Bhagwan, China came to LAC to show UN Armed forces mirror otherwise we were unaware that beyond the Himalayas there is a country called China. That too a
enemy country and had lost a war as well.

Before 2020, UN Generals used to think, Kuch nhi BC 5-6 Apache le kar jaunga or poore China ki MC kar dunga.
Pehle apke kathan katu the. Ab wah satya lagte hai
 

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What a load of Bullshit! How can the SU-57 offered to the Russian Airforce at a cost of 35 million dollars?

If in real life, the SU-57 was indeed this cheap than Russia would have been operating atleast 10-20 such Fighters today, but Russia is not, why? Because SU-57 is more expensive than any other Russian fighter aircraft (i.e SU-35/SU-30SM etc).

At that price tag of 35 million dollars, this jet would be cheaper than even SU-30 and SU-35, I am sorry to say this but that’s impossible with the relatively small batch of SU-57 ordered and also the difficulty and cost associated with manufacturing 3 different AESA radars, new generation engines, weapons, data-link, ECM and airframe.

SOURCE of info about SU-57 cost : @Neptune

So Conclusion, SU-57 is no way in "Heck" cheaper than Tejas. It's simply defies logic at this point.

Sorry this Article is nothing but full of lies and nothing else. Would not trust this as a source.

I am the editor of this website a new recruit posted this article I read the article i deleted it. I came only to make it clear that my page has nothing to do with that shithole of a country
 

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I am the editor of this website a new recruit posted this article I read the article i deleted it. I came only to make it clear that my page has nothing to do with that shithole of a country
If you are the editor of this magazine than please make sure that there are no more such articles posted on your website. I mean seriously? SU-57 is cheaper than Tejas? This is the most bullshit claim that I have heard.

Please keep in mind a 5th generation jet can never be cheaper than a 4th Generation because the 5th gen Aircraft has far more sensors, far more complex software, more advanced Airframe etc.
 

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If you are the editor of this magazine than please make sure that there are no more such articles posted on your website. I mean seriously? SU-57 is cheaper than Tejas? This is the most bullshit claim that I have heard.

Please keep in mind a 5th generation jet can never be cheaper than a 4th Generation because the 5th gen Aircraft has far more sensors, far more complex software, more advanced Airframe etc.
Sure thing 😊
 

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All the hitjobs in the world won't make a difference now. The writing is on the wall. Buy local or else keep waiting forever. Tejas Mk1A, Tejas Mk2, AMCA and TEDBF are programs that are going to continue as long as this govt is in power.

The IAF knows the exact cost of the Tejas versus that of the Su-57 (plus $100 million at least) since it was supposed to purchase them as FGFA. Some idiot on the internet can't fool or influence the MoD or IAF. And it's too late to make a difference via hit-job articles. For years Saab and others used to sponsor all sorts of hit-job articles against Tejas and in praise of the Gripen and others. What happened? Nothing. Tejas Mk1A was ordered and 0 MRFA ordered as yet.

I think the messaging has gone through to the IAF top ranks, which is why the ACM VR Chaudhary stated clearly that the Tejas Mk2 is in the IAF's orbat plans. Soon after he says that, it is revealed that the MRFA will be trimmed by half.

Without that, 114 Rafales or F-15EX would not be affordable even in the best case scenario. That too with ToT and local assembly which only drive up cost and never drive it down.

A lot of people including me were advocating that the IAF must be sensible and ask the GoI to go for 3 more squadrons of Rafale in a G2G deal and dump MRFA. Consolidate on the Rafale rather than leaving the possibility of another fighter type being added and leaving the Rafale as a fleet of 36 units, which is ludicrous. I hope that the trimming of MRFA to 57 units is just that- preparing the grounds for 3 more squadrons of Rafales and the end of the MRCA/MRFA circus.
 

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