LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Haldilal]

Why? This is an indian missile, with just a link to the weapons system other than radar.
Same than to integrate SPICE guided bomb already accepted.

Ya'll Nibbiars still has Russian components.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Why? This is an indian missile, with just a link to the weapons system other than radar.
Same than to integrate SPICE guided bomb already accepted.

wait
what spice 2000 on rafale? do you have any pics or article.

 

[Bleh]

If it's true (and why not?), Brahmos NG can be adapted to Rafale like SCALP : 2 or 3 by bird. Good news !

Because NG isn't in deep shit... Technical limitations causing so much delay that it may not even happen ultimately, instead be replaced by RudraM-3 (aeroballistic) & LFRJ (ramjet supersonic).

 

[BON PLAN]

wait
what spice 2000 on rafale? do you have any pics or article.

The SPICE integration on Rafale is part of the IAF specific platform fittings (with larger band Spectra, Towed decoys, Astra integration, new optronic system (OSF NG), hot and cold engine laucher, and some other goodies). India only purchased an initial AASM Hammer batch because SPICE integration will arrive with the full IAF specifits release (in 2022), and because AASM has different flying specifications than SPICE.

 

[BON PLAN]

Ya'll Nibbiars still has Russian components.

So it's not a french problem. More a russian one...

 

[Picard]

Are you the "famous" Picard ?

Yes.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

It may not be just to test them out..it could well be that the FOC jets may see the Elta 2032 replaced with the Elta 2052 and provision to carry the Elta 8222-WB SPJ as well.

If that is the case, the delay in handing them over is absolutely worth it, since the FOC jets will then be almost at Tejas M1kA level sensor and EW wise.

Sadly we don't have good journos that have access to HAL and could write on this.

We have not even signed for 16 2052 radars agreement. We have a few for mk1A testing as far as we know. Let's not get carried away too much. Replacing an radar is not part for part replacement. Info have come in atleast one LSP and one FOC might be converted for testing. We don't need to think like Pakis.

 

[abingdonboy]

We have not even signed for 16 2052 radars agreement. We have a few for mk1A testing as far as we know. Let's not get carried away too much. Replacing an radar is not part for part replacement. Info have come in atleast one LSP and one FOC might be converted for testing. We don't need to think like Pakis.

They are testing the 2052 on LSP-3 already and have extensive experiences with it beyond that (DARIN 3 Jaguar upgrade) so MK1A validation doesn’t necessarily mean the 2052

 

[BON PLAN]

Yes.

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[Picard]

Do you know this forum ?

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I am registered there, but haven't visited in a while.

 

[BON PLAN]

I am registered there, but haven't visited in a while.

Have a look.

 

[Haldilal]

Have a look.

Ya'll Nibbiars literally any sane person will become insane by visiting their forum. There is no science there only ruhani power.

 

[MirageBlue]

We have not even signed for 16 2052 radars agreement. We have a few for mk1A testing as far as we know. Let's not get carried away too much. Replacing an radar is not part for part replacement. Info have come in atleast one LSP and one FOC might be converted for testing. We don't need to think like Pakis.

HAL is building 54 Elta 2052 radars under license from IAI for the Jaguar DARIN 3 upgrades. Plus, they have contracted separately with IAI for the Tejas Mk1A as well.

If the SP26 can be used as a test-bed for the Mk1A AESA and EW systems with integration being done, then there is a direct path to upgrade the remaining FOC jets as well as the earlier built FOC jets. The technological discovery is going to be very limited then, it is only a matter of contracting with IAI for HAL to build more Elta 2052 AESA radars under license and then acquire more E-8222 WB SPJs.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

They are testing the 2052 on LSP-3 already and have extensive experiences with it beyond that (DARIN 3 Jaguar upgrade) so MK1A validation doesn’t necessarily mean the 2052

Yea forgot they already integrated them on Jags. But even then, there is.no report of integrating them on FOCs. Even if all wiring all the same, connectors are same due to Elta product used on IOC/foc we might have already procured 40 of 2032 which would/could go to waste. At any point 2032 is way better than MiG 21 radar.

Even though the opinion of Aesa FOC is good to be true, we haven't seen any official reports or tweets by verified users yet. Am sure HVT or Indranil might have reported if something on this had happened.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

HAL is building 54 Elta 2052 radars under license from IAI for the Jaguar DARIN 3 upgrades. Plus, they have contracted separately with IAI for the Tejas Mk1A as well.

If the SP26 can be used as a test-bed for the Mk1A AESA and EW systems with integration being done, then there is a direct path to upgrade the remaining FOC jets as well as the earlier built FOC jets. The technological discovery is going to be very limited then, it is only a matter of contracting with IAI for HAL to build more Elta 2052 AESA radars under license and then acquire more E-8222 WB SPJs.

Forgot about the Jags. But even then there is no official report yet. While it's good to have an Aesa FOC Tejas is not exactly super secret programme. There would have been reports from verified users or official reports on the same. Nothing as of yet for an ac to be delivered by March 2022.

 

[abingdonboy]

Yea forgot they already integrated them on Jags. But even then, there is.no report of integrating them on FOCs. Even if all wiring all the same, connectors are same due to Elta product used on IOC/foc we might have already procured 40 of 2032 which would/could go to waste. At any point 2032 is way better than MiG 21 radar.

Even though the opinion of Aesa FOC is good to be true, we haven't seen any official reports or tweets by verified users yet. Am sure HVT or Indranil might have reported if something on this had happened.

I’m not saying that the FOCs are destined to get the AESAR as of now, but a few of them being used as test beds for the MK1A is confirmed, some (including myself ) jumped to the notion that this meant the full MK1A package including 2052 would go onto them whilst this isn’t at all a certainty. These FOCs might be validating other elements like FCS or SPJ integration.

If they were to get a 2052 it would be needlessly intensive to swap back the 2032 once the MK1A testbed work was over.

 

[notaname]

As part of the visit, CAS flew a sortie in a Tejas MK1 aircraft.

 

[Spitfire9]

HAL is building 54 Elta 2052 radars under license from IAI for the Jaguar DARIN 3 upgrades. Plus, they have contracted separately with IAI for the Tejas Mk1A as well.

If the SP26 can be used as a test-bed for the Mk1A AESA and EW systems with integration being done, then there is a direct path to upgrade the remaining FOC jets as well as the earlier built FOC jets. The technological discovery is going to be very limited then, it is only a matter of contracting with IAI for HAL to build more Elta 2052 AESA radars under license and then acquire more E-8222 WB SPJs.

If Mk1 FOC is being used to test Elta AESA, will some FOC aircraft be delivered with Elta AESA?

I would like to hear how Uttam is progressing. Any news out there?

I wonder how close IAF are to being ready to accept FOC aircraft. I imagine there must be a new target date.

 

[MirageBlue]

HAL products

 

[BON PLAN]

HAL products

On this pic it seems they forget the air intakes on the jet trainer and add it at the last moment....