LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[patriots]

Are you sure it will enter production in 2023.

Ya...I am sure....
The work is going in a good pace....
I. Am very much optimistic on Tejas mk2 first trial in 2023 too...... though some say it will happen in 2022
Bdw mwf will have obog it's known....but can confirm that work is already started for the same ....

 

[patriots]

Bdw Tejas is deployed at a western forward base ..........hope will see it's rival jf17 one day....
Will popup again here ....once mk1a deal get signed. ..byby ....

 

[vishnugupt]

FRANCE OFFERS TO SHIFT FULL MANUFACTURING OF PANTHER CHOPPERS
SUNDAY, JANUARY 10, 2021 BY INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS

In a major development, France has offered to completely shift the assembly line of the Panther medium utility helicopters to India, in addition to 70 per cent of Dassault Rafale fighter jet's assembly line.


France has offered to move the assembly lines of the Panther choppers and Rafale fighter jets to India under the government's "Make in India" rubric with full transfer of technology.

Built by Airbus under the title AS565MBe, Panther choppers are all-weather multi-role medium helicopters which have been designed for operations from the ship decks, offshore locations and land-based sites. Some 250 helicopters in the Panther/Dauphin family are operated by maritime customers in more than 20 countries, including the U.S. Coast Guard’s fleet of around 100 MH-65s.

About Eurocopter Panther Helicopter

The AS565 MBe naval version of Airbus’ Panther family of helicopters is an all-weather, multi-role medium rotorcraft, designed for operation from ship decks, offshore locations and land-based sites. It is made for a multitude of naval and coast guard missions such as maritime surveillance, search and rescue, casualty evacuation, offshore patrolling and counter-terrorism.

Dependability

The AS565MBe is powered by two Safran Arriel 2N turboshaft engines for reliable performance in high and hot conditions. It features modern cockpit avionics that include an automatic flight control system (AFCS) and flight management system.

Technologically Advanced

Enhancing the AS565MBe’s mission capabilities are its advanced avionics and systems, including multifunction and tactical displays for the crew, while the FADEC full authority digital engine control system and vehicle and engine management display (VEMD) improve safety and reduce pilot workload.

Easily Maintainability

Modular mechanical assembly design – along with fiberglass Starflex rotor heads, composite tail rotor blades and airframe – contribute to significant reductions in maintenance time and costs. For its deployment from ships, forward bases and other remote locations, the AS565MBe is designed for simple and safe maintenance access.

Replacement times are rapid for such assemblies as the engine, main rotor gearbox and blades, as well as main and tail rotor hubs. Also contributing to the serviceability are easy operational maintenance features such as fast lubrication of the main rotor head and tail rotor.

Additionally, the AS565MBe incorporates a new-generation, 100% composite shrouded tail rotor, which provides high manoeuvrability, low external sound levels, and optimal safety for passengers, ground and air crews.

Anti-Surface Unit Warfare

The AS565 MBe is highly effective in anti-surface unit warfare missions (ASuW), including over-the-horizon targeting (OTHT) for ships with long-range anti-ship missiles.

By acting as the ship’s principal weapon system, it can search, classify, shadow and strike with precision well beyond the horizon. At Best Endurance Speed (VBE) the aircraft has a loiter time in excess of four hours.

The offers were made to India by President Macron's Diplomatic Adviser Emmanuel Bonne who was in India earlier this week to participate in the 34th India-France strategic dialogue. During the visit, Bonne held engagements with National Security Adviser (NSA) Ajit Doval and also with Prime Minister (PM) Narendra Modi.

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France Offers To Shift Full Manufacturing of Panther Choppers

In a major development, France has offered to completely shift the assembly line of the Panther medium utility helicopters to India, in addi...

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This deal is a typical example of what we see, When a affluent family go for dinner with their maid and after finishing lavish dinner Family offer left over food to maid as a Charity work and upload pics on social media.

Offering 70% Rafale production line shift to India is exactly the same situation. India should out rightly reject this offer.

 

[vishnugupt]

43 improvement s .. coming with mk1a...

Many member here must be thinking how inferior Tejas Mk1 is if it need 43 improvement to become a worthy fighter. This is just an propaganda legacy we still carrying. most of these improvement includes rewiring, repiping, Changing switches, panels, putting flight computer behind the cockpit rather than front etc.

Significant noticeable changes are hardy 10 or 15.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Many member here must be thinking how inferior Tejas Mk1 is if it need 43 improvement to become a worthy fighter. This is just an propaganda legacy we still carrying. most of these improvement includes rewiring, repiping, Changing switches, panels, putting flight computer behind the cockpit rather than front etc.

Significant noticeable changes are hardy 10 or 15.

Even a wire is moved from X position to Y is called improvement that's how it's counted.
Even navy said some over 3k+ faults in new built kalvari class subs after sea trials..

 

[no smoking]

Wrong. These days prototype-to-production manufacturing time has come down considerably with the advent of 3D printers, super computer powered CAD/CAM simulation models, advanced CNC machines, integrated supply chains with agile collaborative work. You must remember that India is an A grade manufacturing power with access to vast ecosystems of high quality component manufacturers, many of whom use the techniques I quoted above.

1. 3D printers: it is very new technology, still in the process of implementing. For the fighter jet, as the components are required to work in various extreme environment, there are too many factors to consider, so only few component suppliers are using this, most of them are still using traditional way to produce;
2. CAD/CAM simulation tech helps in design not process and production in manufacturer;
3. Advanced CNC machines: unless you are US, UK or first class NATO allies, you always face the issue of shortage of these CNC machines. So, for most of countries, they can only use their most advanced CNC machines (smuggled from west) to produce the most critical parts while use not so advanced CNC machines to produce other parts.

Unlike most people thinks, we are still far from purely automatic or programmed productions today (except few factory). There are still too much human involvement.

Your assumption that it takes historical prototype-to-production times does not hold good for a relatively advanced manufacturing country like India.

I am not sure how advanced India is, but I know this assumption is correct for not-so advanced countries like US, Russia, China, etc.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

1. 3D printers: it is very new technology, still in the process of implementing. For the fighter jet, as the components are required to work in various extreme environment, there are too many factors to consider, so only few component suppliers are using this, most of them are still using traditional way to produce;
2. CAD/CAM simulation tech helps in design not process and production in manufacturer;
3. Advanced CNC machines: unless you are US, UK or first class NATO allies, you always face the issue of shortage of these CNC machines. So, for most of countries, they can only use their most advanced CNC machines (smuggled from west) to produce the most critical parts while use not so advanced CNC machines to produce other parts.

Unlike most people thinks, we are still far from purely automatic or programmed productions today (except few factory). There are still too much human involvement.



I am not sure how advanced India is, but I know this assumption is correct for not-so advanced countries like US, Russia, China, etc.

You are making a huge error in thinking that China is far ahead of India in manufacturing sophistication. China is still severely hampered by lack of access to cutting edge technologies. Your under estimation of Indian manufacturing capabilities must STOP ASAP.

Read below and specifically the line which says India’s 3D printing in aerospace is pretty significant.

I have said this before to you. This forum is not a space for you to propagate your weird illusions. You need to be in the real world. India today is a much sought after destination for hi-tech manufacturing, and is poised to become the 5th largest by GVA manufacturing power in the world. So cut out the sarcasm and stop posting rubbish.

How 3D printing is poised to transform Indian manufacturing

The technology is over 30 years old and the portfolio for its use cases has expanded enough to add credibility to its ever-increasing performance.

www.fortuneindia.com

Top 8 3D printing companies in India - Technology services news

As the industrial and academic ecosystem changes, the demand for 3D printers in India is rising too. With wide applications in academics, jewelry, industrial prototyping, medicinal implants and prosthetics, 3D printing is quickly becoming both widely available and widely used. What is 3D...

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[Bleh]

Quoted from article.. Didn't give source credit.

 

[Vamsi]

Quoted from article.. Didn't give source credit.

It's IDRW article

Tejas Mk1A : Software and Hardware ready, ASRAAM and Astra Mk1 Standard AAMs – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[BON PLAN]

This deal is a typical example of what we see, When a affluent family go for dinner with their maid and after finishing lavish dinner Family offer left over food to maid as a Charity work and upload pics on social media.

Offering 70% Rafale production line shift to India is exactly the same situation. India should out rightly reject this offer.

Are you prefering to make in India 15% of SH18 ? ie bolts, nuts, wheels, some wires. (only 15%, but US ones !!! )

 

[BON PLAN]

Many member here must be thinking how inferior Tejas Mk1 is if it need 43 improvement to become a worthy fighter. This is just an propaganda legacy we still carrying. most of these improvement includes rewiring, repiping, Changing switches, panels, putting flight computer behind the cockpit rather than front etc.

Significant noticeable changes are hardy 10 or 15.

F-35 requires nearly 600 changes, so no problem for Tejas.

 

[Bleh]

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Tejas mk 1A??

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

Tejas mk 1A??

High chance saw his yt par mk1A toh ni mila

 

[Narasimh]

Tejas mk 1A??

he is talking about contest.. probably p75i or mmrca

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

he is talking about contest.. probably p75i or mmrca

Mmrca na p75i yes

 

[dumdumdum]

The Wolfpack
@TheWolfpackIN

CCS clears the deal for 83 Tejas Mk-1A multi-role fighters.

Naacho !!!

 

[Bleh]

 

[SavageKing456]

Good news,this should pave the way for many other indigenous weapons platforms.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Sad day for import lobby dalals
HAL should buck up and deliver now...