LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[sakalasiva]

In fact, I think India cannot produce the AL31 without Russian permission. Look at China, they started with 198x engines, but only have recently copied AL31 products, sorry but I think the Chinese engineer is better than the Indian engineer!

One thing for sure i.e. lack of political will and corrupt politicians. They do not want in house development which will not help them to get kickbacks. Second, because of sanctions, after nuclear tests we are barred from cutting edge technologies for a long time. Also because of shitty PSU OFB factory which produces sub standard products with time delays Indian defence people not interested to use local equipments. Things are getting sorted out now there is big push for private partnership in defence production. We are in right path but will take some time to catch up. As far engineering capacity concerned Indians are better than Chines. But because of low pay comparitively many capable migrating to West for bigger pay checks. Take example of ISRO with limited budget they accomplished so much than many European countries failed. Do you think it is possible without contribution of genius brains.

 

[Bleh]

Back on topic... 2morrow is 20th December, the anniversary of Tejas recieving IOC.
We'd hoped the Mark1A deal would be struck on that day, but maybe not. But @Kuntal's Mark1A render will be ready & released.

Over the next few weeks we intend to release dozens more, enough to fill the intent & every Google search result.

 

[WarriorIndian]

Sorry, I was too late, there are 2 possible paths for defense technology, that is to study in Korea or China, in my opinion China is better!
China copied a lot of Russian stuff, and look, they still sell China S400, S35S!.If you cannot control yourself, you will forever have to buy at high prices!
I really hope India can be a match with China, but you are being left behind every time, if you don't run fast, you will lose.

From VietNam with love!

I dont disagree with you mate ! It just that copying China would not be the best thing to do. Besides, we do have a credible defense infra in the country enough to give deterrence to our neighbors. You name it we have it, not at the scale China has.

 

[Salyut]

I dont disagree with you mate ! It just that copying China would not be the best thing to do. Besides, we do have a credible defense infra in the country enough to give deterrence to our neighbors. You name it we have it, not at the scale China has.

For a big country like India, such a defense industry is backward, a great power must ensure autonomy of tanks, guns, fighters, warships. ..To protect the border, nuclear is not the key. In my opinion is that!
How many of these aircraft does India have?

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

For a big country like India, such a defense industry is backward, a great power must ensure autonomy of tanks, guns, fighters, warships. ..To protect the border, nuclear is not the key. In my opinion is that!
How many of these aircraft does India have?

Here a simple solution for you Dear Sir,
Come here in India, take my hammer and other tools from my house and start reverse engineering a fking F23 Black Widow Please.

If you know that Chinese Engineers are so capable why don't u marry one?
India is what Vietnam wouldn't be in eons!

 

[N4tsula67]

Safran close to India combat jet engine deal -sources
PARIS, Feb 27 (Reuters) - France’s Safran is close to an agreement to supply a version of its M88 military jet engine for India’s Tejas light combat aircraft, two people close to the discussions said.

The deal, if confirmed, could be finalised during a visit to India by French President Emmanuel Macron next month, they said, adding that negotiations could still be blown off course.

Safran declined comment. French newspaper La Tribune, which first reported the possible deal, said the M88 would be offered as part of a revived version of India’s stalled Kaveri jet engine programme, which was initially linked to the Tejas.

The Tejas fighter entered service in 2016, 33 years after it was approved as the country sought to build a modern fighter from scratch for an air force that was entirely dependent on foreign - mostly Soviet-origin - aircraft.

But the single-engine plane has been dogged by production delays at state-run Hindustan Aeronautics and only a small number have so far entered the air force, currently powered by engines from General Electric. (Reporting by Tim Hepher; editing by Diane Craft)

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[johnq]

From the Cockpit of LCA Tejas : An Interview with Air Cmde Rohit Varma (Part 1)

 

[WarriorIndian]

For a big country like India, such a defense industry is backward, a great power must ensure autonomy of tanks, guns, fighters, warships. ..To protect the border, nuclear is not the key. In my opinion is that!
How many of these aircraft does India have?

You are right ! But India is unlike any other country. We don't sponsor war.

1. America - Its fighting overseas and is sponsoring several wars to keep its war industry running.
2. Russia - Its sponsoring those fighting against America and its allies, thereby keeping its war industry running.
3. China - Its banking on selling cheap quality spin offs to 3rd world countries who cannot afford quality war machinery yet need to have something to defend them incase of an eventuality.
4. Turkey - Being the only industrially developed Muslim country has its advantage among fellow brethren.

While on the other hand for India. We do not enjoy any of these to afford a military industry as large as theirs. Tanks, Aircrafts and Guns are not daily use commercial objects. You need to keep the production line running for years to earn profits and for that you cannot be dependent on the Indian market alone, you need to look abroad.

These 4 countries have privatized "WAR" and therefore have complete autonomy over military machines.

 

[M.J.K]

The hot part is one of the most important secrets of a country, they won't share it with anyone. What do you think about "production". Russia will completely transfer the engine drawings and the most sophisticated materials technology in the world to India. A big question mark?
Su30 MKI is a product financed by money from India, technology by Russia like the BrahMos missile. They then take the finished results to produce Su30SM2!
Regarding the media, Vietnam has complete feelings for India and if there is any country that hates China the most, it is Vietnam!

Sukhoi 30 engine tech is a generation older that what is being done today and we make it here at HAL Koraput from Raw material stage including the Single crystal blades.I cant confirm whether its TOT or our own tech but we do it.
I am only referring to "Know how" part not "Know why" which will help you design your own engine and manufacture it.

Sukhoi 30MKI is funded by india, no doubt but only its air frame and Engine are russian most other systems are from different countries and we integrated them not Russians.
We have the capability to modify Sukhoi30MKI as much as we like with out Russian technical support today.Case in point is airframe modifications we did for Brahmos integration and every indigenous air launched weapon is tested on Sukhoi first.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I am Vietnamese, when I look at the Indian defense industry, I see a lot of panic, corruption, underdevelopment. Most people I know think that way!
Nearly all of India's weapons are expensive technology acquisition or cooperation. India seems like a goldmine for military contractors!
I think India lags> 30 years behind China in military technology. These are honest shares!

Indian weapons are expensive because you buy them, and are blackmailed by world military contractors. No doubt, because you desperately need weapons against Pakistan and China. You have no choice but to buy expensive weapons or lose.
Take the Su30 example. China and India seem to be getting the Su30s and assembling them domestically at the same time, and very quickly China moves in on replicas, from consumables to electronics, airframe, engines, and Finally, the complete plane. That's the way India must go, if you do it well, you can get a copy of the Su30 now or in the near future!
I doubt India can copy the Su30!
Sorry for the bad English!

I think you need the fact that you don't have the technology to copy modern weapons! I have not seen a major powerhouse buy almost all the important defense weapons systems, from aircraft, tanks, warships, artillery, anti-aircraft missiles to infantry guns!
I don't think India's problem is negotiation, I think it is thinking and technology!

It would have been a bit a better if you'd have read the thread and talked on technical reasons than giving on your immature views on "what you think". No other issues but ill-informed opinion posts are a bit irritating for objective members.

 

[Salyut]

Sukhoi 30 engine tech is a generation older that what is being done today and we make it here at HAL Koraput from Raw material stage including the Single crystal blades.I cant confirm whether its TOT or our own tech but we do it.
I am only referring to "Know how" part not "Know why" which will help you design your own engine and manufacture it.

Sukhoi 30MKI is funded by india, no doubt but only its air frame and Engine are russian most other systems are from different countries and we integrated them not Russians.
We have the capability to modify Sukhoi30MKI as much as we like with out Russian technical support today.Case in point is airframe modifications we did for Brahmos integration and every indigenous air launched weapon is tested on Sukhoi first.

do you certify as "manufactured" rather than "assembled"?
If anyone now embargoed India, would they be able to build a plane, maybe fly!

 

[Bleh]

Today's the day...

do you certify as "manufactured" rather than "assembled"?
If anyone now embargoed India, would they be able to build a plane, maybe fly!

Yes. Some critical raw materials are procured from Russia as per agreement, not necessity.

India's present situation is actually due to lack of necessity, other than '71 our wars have been merely large scale border skirmishes. We never needed to take defence sector seriously & past 50years govts invested minimal money on R&D.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Today's the day...
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Yes. Some critical raw materials are procured from Russia as per agreement, not necessity.

India's present situation is actually due to lack of necessity, other than '71 our wars have been merely large scale border skirmishes. We never needed to take defence sector seriously & past 50years govts invested minimal money on R&D.

Surprising for a country like us ! Isn't it ?

 

[Bleh]

Surprising for a country like us ! Isn't it ?

Not really. It helps the politicians if they overplay the danger to nation, so they do. But there is none, nothing serious... Only minor border ambitions of neighbours & the usual sabre-rattling. Even whole of Arunachal was returned on a platter after '62 defeat & territorial gains given back after '65 or' 71 victory.

Also our previous govt. weren't interested to grab the defence equipment export market, so there goes that reason to invest in R&D.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Not really... It helps the politicians if they overplay the danger to nation. There is none, other than minor border ambitions of neighbours & the usual sabre rattling.
If 1971 were a mere border skirmish we'd without be in a much better position 2day, with Pakis having another insurgency ridden province.

Plus our previous govt. weren't interested to grab the defence equipment export market, so there goes that reason to invest in R&D.

But it would still be a province of paks
It was insurgency ridden when , 1971 happened .
I cannot see your logic here that why bangladesh would have remianed east pakistan .

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Then think....

They tried for months & failed just like Kashmiris did in our case. If instead of decicively destroying that front India kept fiddling & suppling them for decades, Pakis would be too busy to start troubles in Kashmir. East was always a indefensible weakness & liability, never a threat. 9 out of 10 of Paki assets were always on western front for that reason.
Grabbing some border land in '71 would sufficiently deter them, actually helping ourselves by thickening Siliguri corridir & join NE to sea (Chittagong hill-tracts are still claimed by northeasterners).

Why kashmir , north east is there too .
I would rather like bangladesh than east pakistan at chickens neck .

 

[Bleh]

Why kashmir , north east is there too .
I would rather like bangladesh than east pakistan at chickens neck .

And I would rather like having no chicken neck or landlocked NE & Pakistans balls in our fists to threaten at will, but that's personal opinion... & offtopic.

You got my point. I'm deleting the '71 stuff.

 

[Salyut]

Today's the day...
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Yes. Some critical raw materials are procured from Russia as per agreement, not necessity.

India's present situation is actually due to lack of necessity, other than '71 our wars have been merely large scale border skirmishes. We never needed to take defence sector seriously & past 50years govts invested minimal money on R&D.

It's sad if all Indians think so, India has had 2 small wars recently, Indian blood spilled, planes fell, I even heard India lost land!
What if the enemy of India attacked and did not escalate to a total war, like Vietnam in 1974 and 1988?

 

[Bleh]

It's sad if all Indians think so, India has had 2 small wars recently, Indian blood spilled, planes fell, I even heard India lost land!
What if the enemy of India attacked and did not escalate to a total war, like Vietnam in 1974 and 1988?

That's what I said, minor & major border skirmishes... Blood is always spelt, no matter what. But whole of Arunachal was returned on a platter after '62 defeat & our territorial gains given back to Paks after '65 or '71 victories.

Now there are nukes...

 

[India Super Power]

It's sad if all Indians think so, India has had 2 small wars recently, Indian blood spilled, planes fell, I even heard India lost land!
What if the enemy of India attacked and did not escalate to a total war, like Vietnam in 1974 and 1988?

Skirmish with pak was just a mess they just shoot 1 mig 21 but we penetrated and killed 200 terrorists on their bloody land
One with China was a standoff they killed 20 and we killed 32 and for your kind information we didn't loose any land