LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[Rambo101]

>Chinese hardly copy

Holy f**king shiet, please stfu with your BS. Only thing that china does is copy and reverse engineer....despite that most of the their system are sub par, take their engine which is a shitty copy of russina engine, their whole aircraft program is based on reverse engineering soviet/russian aircraft or stealing designs from Americans like they did for j20.

Most of it is tech transfer or stealing trade secrets not copy. Copy is just a myth that is propagated , a cover so no one ask tough questions. You are delusional and stupid if you think that Chinese just cyber attack and steal know how.

 

[FalconZero]

Most of it is tech transfer or stealing trade secrets not copy. Copy is just a myth that is propagated , a cover so no one ask tough questions. You are delusional and stupid if you think that Chinese just cyber attack and steal know how.

Sure chang, your VPN ******ry won't save you, whole world knows that you dipshits are grade A thugs who don't do anything but steal.

CHINA stole designs of f36

Did China steal US F-35 fighter jet design to make J-20, FC-31?

China has long been accused of stealing US defence technology and its weaponry is derided as “copycats” of US equivalents, but the allegation rarely extends beyond superficial supposition.

www.wionews.com

"Unauthorized copying of our equipment abroad is a huge problem. There have been 500 such cases over the past 17 years," said Yevgeny Livadny, Rostec's chief of intellectual property projects on Dec. 14. "China alone has copied aircraft engines, Sukhoi planes, deck jets, air defense systems, portable air defense missiles, and analogs of the Pantsir medium-range surface-to-air systems."

Russia up in arms over Chinese theft of military technology

Beijing's rise as a major armaments exporter is a double-edged sword for Moscow

asia.nikkei.com

 

[Rambo101]

Sure chang, your VPN ******ry won't save you, whole world knows that you dipshits are grade A thugs who don't do anything but steal.

CHINA stole designs of f36

Did China steal US F-35 fighter jet design to make J-20, FC-31?

China has long been accused of stealing US defence technology and its weaponry is derided as “copycats” of US equivalents, but the allegation rarely extends beyond superficial supposition.

www.wionews.com

"Unauthorized copying of our equipment abroad is a huge problem. There have been 500 such cases over the past 17 years," said Yevgeny Livadny, Rostec's chief of intellectual property projects on Dec. 14. "China alone has copied aircraft engines, Sukhoi planes, deck jets, air defense systems, portable air defense missiles, and analogs of the Pantsir medium-range surface-to-air systems."

Russia up in arms over Chinese theft of military technology

Beijing's rise as a major armaments exporter is a double-edged sword for Moscow

asia.nikkei.com

I have already said Chinese either steal or tech transfer for money , trade deals etc etc.

 

[FalconZero]

I have already said Chinese either steal or tech transfer for money , trade deals etc etc.

Chang did you not attend your English classes properly in ccp school of c*ckguzzling and ******ry? Read what i added, you will steal, copy through any means necessary.....

"Unauthorized copying of our equipment abroad is a huge problem. There have been 500 such cases over the past 17 years," said Yevgeny Livadny, Rostec's chief of intellectual property projects on Dec. 14. "China alone has copied aircraft engines, Sukhoi planes, deck jets, air defense systems, portable air defense missiles, and analogs of the Pantsir medium-range surface-to-air systems."

Russia up in arms over Chinese theft of military technology

Beijing's rise as a major armaments exporter is a double-edged sword for Moscow

asia.nikkei.com

Now f**k off from this thread.

 

[Rambo101]

Chang did you not attend your English classes properly in ccp school of c*ckguzzling and ******ry? Read what i added, you will steal, copy through any means necessary.....

Now f**k off from this thread.

Oh bhai mere , mai khidhar se ho gaya chinese hain ?

 

[FalconZero]

Oh bhai mere , mai khidhar se ho gaya chinese hain ?

so stop talking like retard chinks...

 

[Killbot]

Says who?.. Several countries are already manufacturing versions of 404 & 414, namely Sweden & S.Korea...

Didn't know that. Thanks. Are they manufacturing the engine or assembling parts. Because the question asked was if GE would be willing to establish a JV for manufacture of GE414. I.e they give us the tech. I don't think that is going to happen.

 

[NAMICA]

so stop talking like retard chinks...

Well they really got lot of TOT through trade deals plus any foreign company working in China has to tie up with local Chinese company due to this Chinese got (actually stole) many technologies .

 

[Bleh]

Didn't know that. Thanks. Are they manufacturing the engine or assembling parts. Because the question asked was if GE would be willing to establish a JV for manufacture of GE414. I.e they give us the tech. I don't think that is going to happen.

Deeper details are another thing, but we could get a ToT to manufacture... We apparently can manufacture AL-31 engines from scratch, not assemble knocked down kits.

More so due to our bad knowledge, which is why we're being in joint dev deals with RR & Safran.

 

[Salyut]

Your question is a bitter pill to swallow by us. It is not like we don't want to copy but actually, we failed ourselves at many levels on the negotiations table. Our previous deals failed to explain what were we wanted to achieve by them except importing a particular weapon. There was no synergy between the politician-Armed force and PSUs they just wanted their share of the money.
In the past, Russia actually offered more sweet deals to India than China. China has built on these deals while India kept licking these contracts without doing anything.
It's like When Indian go to Russia for negotiation We sign blindly on papers after sleeping with blond girls while the Chinese do just opposite

I think you need the fact that you don't have the technology to copy modern weapons! I have not seen a major powerhouse buy almost all the important defense weapons systems, from aircraft, tanks, warships, artillery, anti-aircraft missiles to infantry guns!
I don't think India's problem is negotiation, I think it is thinking and technology!

 

[Salyut]

Deeper details are another thing, but we could get a ToT to manufacture... We apparently can manufacture AL-31 engines from scratch, not assemble knocked down kits.

More so due to our bad knowledge, which is why we're being in joint dev deals with RR & Safran.

In fact, I think India cannot produce the AL31 without Russian permission. Look at China, they started with 198x engines, but only have recently copied AL31 products, sorry but I think the Chinese engineer is better than the Indian engineer!

 

[Bleh]

In fact, I think India cannot produce the AL31 without Russian permission. Look at China, they started with 198x engines, but only have recently copied AL31 products, sorry but I think the Chinese engineer is better than the Indian engineer!

What anyone thinks is immaterial... Whether it's a fact is what matters.

 

[WarriorIndian]

I am Vietnamese, when I look at the Indian defense industry, I see a lot of panic, corruption, underdevelopment. Most people I know think that way!
Nearly all of India's weapons are expensive technology acquisition or cooperation. India seems like a goldmine for military contractors!
I think India lags> 30 years behind China in military technology. These are honest shares!

India certainly lags behind China in terms of industrial capacity. China has obviously been able to make strides given with any contemporary western engineering(not technology) only because it has developed itself into a manufacturing powerhouse. China is probably the only nation that can build a screw to a plane all inhouse but not without western technology. China has always looked towards the west for technology and still continues to do so by hook or crook.

India on the other hand has put its brains on developing technology but lacked the right industry to turn technology into a product. We see that changing in recent times, there is a whole lot of investments being made to develop the required ecosystem.

India being a non aligned country does not have the required influence to export its defense products, therefore the entire defense industry has to feed on the internal order for which even the developed countries are competing.

You cannot obviously compete with experienced companies from western countries unless your indigenous products can give them a tough run.

When IAF launched an RFI for a helicopter in the early 90's to land in Siachen, there was no product anywhere available in the world and some of the most established companies abroad rather laughed at IAF for their expectancy . HAL Stood up against the odds and ALH Dhruv was its answer.

 

[WarriorIndian]

You have to copy, the world works like that. India has a lot of money, has ambitions, and, importantly, very strong enemies. And arms autonomy is the only way, I think studying China is the best way for India. For about 30 years, I am talking about Indian and Chinese weapons that do, not buy!

In this multi polarized world, can you think of any other major country that's non aligned and can purchase anything freely from anyone by not irking any of the world powers? That came with a cost named "TRUST". We dont want to break it, its not worth it.

 

[vishnugupt]

I think you need the fact that you don't have the technology to copy modern weapons! I have not seen a major powerhouse buy almost all the important defense weapons systems, from aircraft, tanks, warships, artillery, anti-aircraft missiles to infantry guns!
I don't think India's problem is negotiation, I think it is thinking and technology!

Technology is not something which you born with but instead, you have to achieve by continuing affords. DRDO's affords has largely ignored due to lack of thinking in military establishment and limitation owing to poor negotiation. that's what I said lack of synergy among establishments.
Let me explain to you further, We have brought 272 Su-30mki with maximum TOT but failed to use it's technology into other indigenous projects and now can't upgrade it due to poor negotiations. Moreover, we had caught up late for inhouse production of Su-30mki which resulted in the loss of revenue and time. We literally failed to proliferate the TOT came with SU-30mki, Hence wasted
Contrary to India, china carefully analyzed what aircraft they should import and what technology they need from a deal. China Imported Su-27MKK with complete TOT and quickly indigenized inhouse production and soon started upgrading as J-11 with Chinese tech ( with help of few Chinese girls as Russian do). The SU-27 deal also helped the Chinese to put the Lyulka-Saturn AL-31 engine into their ongoing J-10 fighter ( saved a lot of time ). The same goes for Su-35s deal
Chinese engine development has never been a de-Novo program they keep developing on Lyulka-Saturn AL-31 engine, constantly replacing Russian tech with their own, and finally got WS-10 engine.

 

[patriots]

Ok guys this is Tejas.....
...no other discussion please

 

[knathan]

In fact, I think India cannot produce the AL31 without Russian permission. Look at China, they started with 198x engines, but only have recently copied AL31 products, sorry but I think the Chinese engineer is better than the Indian engineer!

U can reverse enginer su30mk2v. Hope vn enginer are more capable than cn enginer.

 

[knathan]

In fact, I think India cannot produce the AL31 without Russian permission. Look at China, they started with 198x engines, but only have recently copied AL31 products, sorry but I think the Chinese engineer is better than the Indian engineer!

U r not real vn

 

[Salyut]

In this multi polarized world, can you think of any other major country that's non aligned and can purchase anything freely from anyone by not irking any of the world powers? That came with a cost named "TRUST". We dont want to break it, its not worth it.

Sorry, I was too late, there are 2 possible paths for defense technology, that is to study in Korea or China, in my opinion China is better!
China copied a lot of Russian stuff, and look, they still sell China S400, S35S!.If you cannot control yourself, you will forever have to buy at high prices!
I really hope India can be a match with China, but you are being left behind every time, if you don't run fast, you will lose.

From VietNam with love!

 

[HawkisRight]

Sorry, I was too late, there are 2 possible paths for defense technology, that is to study in Korea or China, in my opinion China is better!
China copied a lot of Russian stuff, and look, they still sell China S400, S35S!.If you cannot control yourself, you will forever have to buy at high prices!
I really hope India can be a match with China, but you are being left behind every time, if you don't run fast, you will lose.

From VietNam with love!

Bruh chill down...Want some Tejas to shoot some ching chongs