LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

[cannonfodder]

Engines and Radars are the most important components in my opinion if Tejas used everything imported but only the Radars and engines were indigenous I would consider it a bigger achievement

Its niche tech and difficult to develop on your own (needs all time, human, capital resources to pull that off).

We can also sit and cry that all these parts including radome/engine/radar/ejection sit etc etc is not inhouse built & delay orders by another 5 years while other countries crank out AC with what they can make and import needed sub systems.

In my opinion, this is undervaluing the development of composite structures/FBW that can be re-used in other designs. Also addition of industrial capabilities to make AC parts that is getting in place with MK1 prod. These are high value items as usual glass is half filled or half full one can say whatever one wants.

 

[omaebakabaka]

In my opinion, this is undervaluing the development of composite structures/FBW that can be re-used in other designs. Also addition of industrial capabilities to make AC parts that is getting in place with MK1 prod. These are high value items as usual glass is half filled or half full one can say whatever one wants.

I don't think he is negating the practical aspects of it....more like being wishful....but HAL (or perhaps its media) does not need to be so vocal about indigenous labeling and using it as adjective everytime its mentioned....in this era when tech is ruling the roast, India can't make snail's progress and only one thing at a time. Kaveri needs to be mastered with honesty even if it does not exceed whats on the market and so are other things or risk being controlled by others. Even India can't afford these purchases on an ongoing basis....too much obsolescence and too fast if you are not the OEM

 

[Pulkit]

Its niche tech and difficult to develop on your own (needs all time, human, capital resources to pull that off).

We can also sit and cry that all these parts including radome/engine/radar/ejection sit etc etc is not inhouse built & delay orders by another 5 years while other countries crank out AC with what they can make and import needed sub systems.

In my opinion, this is undervaluing the development of composite structures/FBW that can be re-used in other designs. Also addition of industrial capabilities to make AC parts that is getting in place with MK1 prod. These are high value items as usual glass is half filled or half full one can say whatever one wants.

I do agree with you that we must go ahead and build with what is available inhouse and what can be easily outsourced/bought.

What my concern here is that we must keep replacing them in a batch wise manner. What I am able to understand is that some products which are in final development stage must be incorporated as soon as they get approved.
Secondly Defense forces deserve the best but when we develop something we grow in phases hence our defense forces must have some room to allow products which meet their needs and parameters but you have some products in market that are better a chance.

 

[The Maverick]

Not people but IAF

not 42 but 42+



Again we had over 1000 fighter jets at one point of time So saying we never had 42 Sqd is completely wrong you should really read before saying such things.

42 / 45/49.5 these are three health levels for a two front war.

At 42 Sqd we will be actually shrinking our desired aircraft fleet anyway.

Chinese or American airforce aren't exactly shrinking either

USA can create an entire fleet of IAF size even bigger in a year or so during a war if they need. That is what we can't match.

China is churning out aircrafts and naval assets at an alarming rate along with huge logistics support.

Even PAF maintain 22 Sqd as of now.

IAF :

14-15 Tejas/ORCA

12-14 Sukhoi

250+ Jags/Mirage /Mig 29 --- to be replaced by AMCA - 214 - 11-12 Sqd

2 Sqd. Rafale ( 2-3 more to be inducted)

Around 42-45 planned. Rest Drones/UCV

 

[The Maverick]

42 not happening ... No way
We have air force chiefs who have no forward planning or evolving threat planning.
We have air force chiefs who do not wish to upset the ministers that pay their salary.
They have let a nation with fraction our resource get upper hand in bvr and ew warfare via amraam simpler awacs networking and fewer combat types.our air force is mess no consistent planning but reactive thought mix of 8 different types of fighters and communication and networking non existent as operation swift resort showed

 

[Haldilal]

42 not happening ... No way
We have air force chiefs who have no forward planning or evolving threat planning.
We have air force chiefs who do not wish to upset the ministers that pay their salary.
They have let a nation with fraction our resource get upper hand in bvr and ew warfare via amraam simpler awacs networking and fewer combat types.our airfr

Always the blame game on the AC's yeah nibba see what restrictions the AFO has all the string are carried out by the south block.

 

[The Maverick]

Always the blame game on the AC's yeah nibba see what restrictions the AFO has all the string are carried out by the south block.

i BLAME THE ACMs consistently BCAUSE .
The ACM understands warfare . He understands the russian BVRs are outranged by Amraams .
The ACM knows MIG21 are obselete and Tejas is late. WE needed interim solution 10 years ago
ACM saw the devastating effect of total air supremacy by Israel on arabs and USA on Iraq.

ABOLUTELY zero excuse to let a basket case country like PAF have superior BVR and EW capability.

Why WHY have we nailed our air power on a oversized high maintenance SU30MKI and got to 270 fighters over 20 years.
Only 60% of the fleet works
BVR missles are poor
EW suites are out of date
Massive RCS can be seen from 150km away

$15 billion dollars wasted

 

[The Maverick]

We need the second batch of rafales ordered now 36 fighters on emergency basis
Tejas has to be signed for mark1a
Derby ER and new EW suites are need for the MKI fleet asap
get more Awacs in

oh FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE scrap the mig21 bison ........ it is embaressing in 2020

 

[patriots]

Tejas

 

[Suhaan]

 

[patriots]

The Tejas performed here is for k flying Bullets..means a foc aircraft...
Now compare this performance with Lima performance which was with an ioc aircraft...
You will se improvement in performance

 

[LondonParisTokyo]

We need the second batch of rafales ordered now 36 fighters on emergency basis
Tejas has to be signed for mark1a
Derby ER and new EW suites are need for the MKI fleet asap
get more Awacs in

oh FOR GODS SAKE PLEASE scrap the mig21 bison ........ it is embaressing in 2020

Tejas Mk1A order needed to be signed in January. Rafale can wait. Get 81 planes out by 2030 maximum with a follow on order in 2025 for an additional 100.

 

[Flying Dagger]

The Tejas performed here is for k flying Bullets..means a foc aircraft...
Now compare this performance with Lima performance which was with an ioc aircraft...
You will se improvement in performance

Not really. It is mk1a where you will see improvement.

 

[Flying Dagger]

i BLAME THE ACMs consistently BCAUSE .
The ACM understands warfare . He understands the russian BVRs are outranged by Amraams .
The ACM knows MIG21 are obselete and Tejas is late. WE needed interim solution 10 years ago
ACM saw the devastating effect of total air supremacy by Israel on arabs and USA on Iraq.

ABOLUTELY zero excuse to let a basket case country like PAF have superior BVR and EW capability.

Why WHY have we nailed our air power on a oversized high maintenance SU30MKI and got to 270 fighters over 20 years.
Only 60% of the fleet works
BVR missles are poor
EW suites are out of date
Massive RCS can be seen from 150km away

$15 billion dollars wasted

15 bn dollar wasted on what ? You'll be able to defend sky without Su ?

Mig 21 were needed as there were no replacement.

IAF said it more than a decade back that Tejas Lack thrust need engine replacement AESA radar and improved ew along with BVR capability. Nothing happened they kept asking DRDO kept.bringing MCA AMCA Tejas mk2 this model that model.kaveri engine blah blah and politicians sat on MMRCA.

HAL pushed for more Su to keep its production line running. IAF had no choice but wait.

Do you know they have been asking for replacement of Mig 21 since 1980 around ?

Jags Mirage Mig 29 followed but never in numbers to replace mig 21 .

 

[patriots]

Not really. It is mk1a where you will see improvement.

Bro with same airframe....you won't see any aerodynamic improvement s ....so aerodynamic performance will be largely same....
I means it's aoa, minimum radius turn ...sustained turn rate ..G turn.etc will be same ....for mk1 and mk1a...
Though it's combat capability and surviving ability will be increased...with addition of new weapon s and spj

 

[Flying Dagger]

Bro with same airframe....you won't see any aerodynamic improvement s ....so aerodynamic performance will be largely same....
I means it's aoa, minimum radius turn ...sustained turn rate ..G turn.etc will be same ....for mk1 and mk1a...
Though it's combat capability and surviving ability will be increased...with addition of new weapon s and spj

The weight will be significantly reduced in mk1a and increase use of machine in production will provide better finish and aid in better aerodynamics. Rest you are right.

 

[fire starter]

The weight will be significantly reduced in mk1a and increase use of machine will provide better finish and aid in better aerodynamics. Rest you are right.

Aerodynamic performance will increase in mk1a .

 

[patriots]

The weight will be significantly reduced in mk1a and increase use of machine will provide better finish and aid in better aerodynamics. Rest you are right.

No words from hal weight reduction
Earlier it was said that 1000kg of weight reduction...
Weight reduction ..from landing gear...but I don't know whether a new landing gear is in development or not ...
Though from latest report by ak sir says ...new cabling will free up space ..and will reduce some weights....
And indranil sir says irst will be added with tejas

 

[Bleh]

Very weird updates.

Months ago we heard 4 jets in final stages, but only 1 was handed over as a symbolic gesture for squadron raising (& aerial gun-firing trials)... Since then all HAL assembly lines are fully operating & after that centreline pylon clearance trial I thought now delivery will resume.
But they're still tinkering with something.

I heard new tanks got cleared for production too. Expecting these batch to come with either Astra & ASRAAM and/or Python-5 integrated.

The weight will be significantly reduced in mk1a...

Aerodynamic performance will increase in mk1a .

No external changes other than in fuel tanks (& refueling probe may be moved). No news on weight reduction in a while. They are busy with subsystems tech development, and may add a lot of crap too. Redesigning work won't be prioritised now.

 

[aerokan]

15 bn dollar wasted on what ? You'll be able to defend sky without Su ?

Mig 21 were needed as there were no replacement.

IAF said it more than a decade back that Tejas Lack thrust need engine replacement AESA radar and improved ew along with BVR capability. Nothing happened they kept asking DRDO kept.bringing MCA AMCA Tejas mk2 this model that model.kaveri engine blah blah and politicians sat on MMRCA.

HAL pushed for more Su to keep its production line running. IAF had no choice but wait.

Do you know they have been asking for replacement of Mig 21 since 1980 around ?

Jags Mirage Mig 29 followed but never in numbers to replace mig 21 .

IAF needs from Tejas MK1 what PAF claims JF17 can do like space flight, interstellar travel, warp speed refuelling from the sun and potential upgrade to travel across dimensions in MK2 variant.

DRDO and ADA are crap that they can't deliver these modest requirements. IAF is intelligent enough that they planned to get all these absolutely critical requirements on Tejas MK1 directly from Mig-21 upgrade by moving ASQR goal post till they get what they want.. Why should IAF follow what other stupid airforces do by incremental upgrades like MK1,2,3 etc.. That would be too retarded for intelligent folks at IAF.