LCA TEJAS MK1 & MK1A: News and Discussion

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It can happen if they also improve the intake design apart from reducing drag of the aero-structure. The ADA must incorporate supercruise feature to make the design relevant for at least 2 decades w.r.t its peers like Gripen.




They have demonstrated supercruise with some A2A missiles but no drop tanks or A2G ordinances. It is speculated that Rafale demonstrated supercruise at Mach 1.4 with limited payload including A2G weapons.
Air intakes will be improved for sure as we are using a much powerful engine but can't confirm whether they will be dsi or not.As for the design according to ddr studies have already been conducted by ada to lower the drag by almost 20% plus the addition of canards will improve the airflow.In conclusion tejas mk2 will most likely able to supercruise :india:
 

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I didn't expected this kind of answer from you. Basically you said Indian Weapons are good Chinese and Pak Weapons are Inferior . Leave it no more arguments
You got generic answer because you made generic comparison.
If you wish to discuss in detail . Take is topic wise

I didn't say lca mk1a is superior to every f16 . I said it's superior to unupgraded f16 which pakistan now has and no plan to upgrade has been revealed.

Chinese weaponry is inferior is a fact. Especially when compared to Israeli / Western weaponry. There is at least two decades of learning curve that Chinese have to match.
 

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You got generic answer because you made generic comparison.
If you wish to discuss in detail . Take is topic wise

I didn't say lca mk1a is superior to every f16 . I said it's superior to unupgraded f16 which pakistan now has and no plan to upgrade has been revealed.

Chinese weaponry is inferior is a fact. Especially when compared to Israeli / Western weaponry. There is at least two decades of learning curve that Chinese have to match.



36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – up to $3 billion
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:
 7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
 1 Unit Level Trainer
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.
The principal contractors under Pakistan’s “Peace Drive” buy will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX
 BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY
 Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA
 Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA
 Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA
 Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
 General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft. See DSCA release

Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million
To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
 12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
 240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
 1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.
The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million. The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft. See DSCA release


F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
 APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
 Have Quick I/II Radios
 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
 SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
 Reconnaissance pod capability
 Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
 MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
 Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives.

InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.


F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
 14 F100-PW-220E engines
 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
 De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
 Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
The principal contractors will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.
 

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36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – up to $3 billion
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:
 7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
 1 Unit Level Trainer
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.
The principal contractors under Pakistan’s “Peace Drive” buy will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX
 BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY
 Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA
 Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA
 Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA
 Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
 General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft. See DSCA release

Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million
To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
 12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
 240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
 1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.
The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million. The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft. See DSCA release


F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
 APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
 Have Quick I/II Radios
 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
 SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
 Reconnaissance pod capability
 Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
 MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
 Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives.

InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.


F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
 14 F100-PW-220E engines
 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
 De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
 Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
The principal contractors will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.

That news is months old and isn't confirmed by any
Official source. It's a Pakistani request nothing more .

Pakistan couldn't even buy 8 f16 when USA withdraw subsidy. How will they afford 36??

It's Pakistani propaganda at best unless you can provide any American source confirming the approval.

Even in this no aesa radar is included and no aim120d is mentioned anywhere.

So without aesa and 120d even if this upgrade moves forward mk1 with aesa and derby ER will be far superior to f16 with pesa and 120c5.
 

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Tejas mk2 will supercruise!Is that probable?
Tejas mk1/1A intakes has been a bit of a let down and a lot of people have already pointed it out. So if they somehow play with the new design for intakes they might extract better performance from the even powerful engine. The thing I doubt about is the wing area. LCA was made to operate optimally even from high airfields so its takeoff capabilities won't suffer from those bases with high payloads which lead to quite a large winged area which ultimately leads to more drag , so if they go with the same design even when canards are supposed to help with the drag, i would have doubts about it.
I am not am aerodynamicist, so it's just my layman perspective.
 

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They have demonstrated supercruise with some A2A missiles but no drop tanks or A2G ordinances. It is speculated that Rafale demonstrated supercruise at Mach 1.4 with limited payload including A2G weapons.
Well, this guy says it can do it with 4 AMRAAMs, 2 sidewinders and one drop tank....
 

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It can happen if they also improve the intake design apart from reducing drag of the aero-structure. The ADA must incorporate supercruise feature to make the design relevant for at least 2 decades w.r.t its peers like Gripen.
Mk2 and all Indian jets are designed based on the ASQR....so if the ASQR doesn't want it, ADA will most probably not bother with that 'headache'....while its publicly stated that AMCA will have supercruise capability, till this date, it has never been acknowledged as a part of Mk2....so, as far as any of us get to know, it's not envisaged till now....so don't get your hopes too high because the chances of getting supercruise out of the Mk2 as a result of serendipity is too low in my opinion....i don't think supercruise can come just as a perk of the existing mk2 design.....
 

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Well, this guy says it can do it with 4 AMRAAMs, 2 sidewinders and one drop tank....
Quite possible; in fact the demonstration that I referred was happened in 2009-2010. In a decade, they must have done "something" which lead to this improvement. It's an achievement for Gripen E to reach sustained supercruise without making any conspicuous changes in air intakes and air frame. I would like to learn how they achieved this over their base-line Gripen C/D. Putting powerful engine alone doesn't guarantee super-cruise performance.

Mk2 and all Indian jets are designed based on the ASQR....so if the ASQR doesn't want it, ADA will most probably not bother with that 'headache'....while its publicly stated that AMCA will have supercruise capability, till this date, it has never been acknowledged as a part of Mk2....so, as far as any of us get to know, it's not envisaged till now....so don't get your hopes too high because the chances of getting supercruise out of the Mk2 as a result of serendipity is too low in my opinion....i don't think supercruise can come just as a perk of the existing mk2 design.....
Yeah, you are right ! In fact, we are superbly proficient in justifying our short-comings as well. And I am not hoping stars; keeping expectations low is a safe bet having seen the pace at which DPSU/Govt research organisation work. I was just dwelling on the point what it takes to impart supercruise ability in MWF.

May be IAF is also playing safe, adding Supercruise capability in ASQR may derail the MWF for further 4-5 years (for intake redesign/ aerodynamic refinement) as in case of AMCA, ADA has far more stretched deadline than MWF hence more time to try and test tech involved in super-cruise.
Considering Mirage replacement, MWF can be inducted without Supercruise ignoring the so called "Peer Pressure". :cool3: :cool3:
 

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That news is months old and isn't confirmed by any
Official source. It's a Pakistani request nothing more .

Pakistan couldn't even buy 8 f16 when USA withdraw subsidy. How will they afford 36??

It's Pakistani propaganda at best unless you can provide any American source confirming the approval.

Even in this no aesa radar is included and no aim120d is mentioned anywhere.

So without aesa and 120d even if this upgrade moves forward mk1 with aesa and derby ER will be far superior to f16 with pesa and 120c5.
Its old news .. The date is June 28/06.. So, the 5 billion deal is from June 28 2006...
 

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36 New F-16 Block 50/52s – up to $3 billion
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of up to 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 aircraft – a buy of 18 jets, with an option for another 18. The planes would be equipped with the APG-68(V)9 radars, which are the most modern F-16 radar except for the UAE’s F-16E/F Block 60 “Desert Falcons” and their AN/APG-80 AESA. The engine contract was less certain. Pakistan’s existing F-16s use the Pratt & Whitney F100 engine, but the new planes involved a competition between Pratt & Whitney’s F100-PW-229 or General Electric’s F110-GE-129 Increased Performance Engines (IPEs).

The package for Pakistan’s new F-16s included:
 7 spare F100-PW-229 EEP or F110-GE-129 IPE engines (F100-PW-229 EEP selected)
 7 spare APG-68(V)9 radar sets
 36 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 36 AN/ARC-238 SINCGARS radios with HAVE QUICK I/II
 36 Conformal Fuel Tanks (pairs) that fit along the aircraft’s sides to give them extra range
 36 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals; see tactical uses of MIDS-LVT Link 16 systems
 36 Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Embedded GPS/Inertial Navigation Systems
 36 APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 36 Advanced Integrated Defensive Electronic Warfare Suites: ALQ-211 AIDEW without Digital Radio Frequency Memory (picked); or AN/ALQ-184 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-131 Electronic Counter Measures pod without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-187 Advanced Self-Protection Integrated Suites without DRFM; or AN/ALQ-178 Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suites without DRFM.
 1 Unit Level Trainer
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability.
The principal contractors under Pakistan’s “Peace Drive” buy will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company, Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control, Dallas, TX
 BAE Advanced Systems Greenlawn, NY
 Boeing Corporation Seattle, WA
 Boeing Integrated Defense Systems: St Louis, MO; Long Beach, CA; San Diego, CA
 Raytheon Company: Lexington, MA; Goleta, CA
 Raytheon Missile Systems in Tucson, AZ
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT; or
 General Electric Aircraft Engines in Cincinnati, OH
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support and program management of the aircraft. See DSCA release

Item 2: Weapons for the New F-16s – $650 Million
To equip those new F-16s, the Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of:
 500 AIM-120C5 Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM)
 12 AMRAAM training missiles – these have seeker warheads but lack engines
 200 AIM-9M-8/9 Sidewinder Short-Range Air-Air Missiles; they are the version before the fifth-generation AIM-9X.
 240 LAU-129/A Launchers – these support AMRAAM or Sidewinder missiles.
 500 Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) Guidance Kits: GBU-31/38 Guided Bomb Unit (GBU) kits
 1,600 Enhanced Paveway GBU-12 (500 lb.) and GBU-24s (2,000 lb.) with dual laser/GPS guidance
 800 MK-82 500 pound General Purpose (GP) and MK-84 2,000 pound GP bombs
 700 BLU-109 2,000 pound bunker-buster bombs with the FMU-143 Fuse
 Associated support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, capability to employ a wide variety of munitions, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to ensure full program supportability will also be provided.
The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $650 million. The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft. See DSCA release


F-16A/B Mid-Life Update Modification Kits – $1.3 billion
According to the US DSCA, Pakistan intends to purchase the Mid-Life Upgrade (MLU) Program equipment “to enhance survivability, communications connectivity, and extend the useful life of its F-16A/B fighter aircraft. The modifications and upgrades in this proposed sale will permit Pakistan’s F-16A/B squadron to operate safely, and enhance Pakistan’s conventional deterrent capability. Pakistan’s air fleet can readily use these updates to enhance and extend the life of its aircraft.” The total value, if all options are exercised, is estimated as high as $1.3 billion, and subsequent Pentagon releases peg it at that figure.
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B MLU and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:
 APG-68v9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or the APG-66(V)2 radar, which is a much smaller improvement on earlier F-16s. The APG-68 with SAR is far better at air to ground work, and can be used to monitor ground activity.
 Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
 AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems
 AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems
 Have Quick I/II Radios
 Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals (MIDS-LVT)
 SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability
 Reconnaissance pod capability
 Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units (used for training exercises)
 MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
 21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency Memory (DRFM); or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
 60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
 1 Unit Level Trainer; and
 10 APG-68v9 spare radar sets.
 Radars, modems, receivers, installation, avionics, spare and repair parts, support equipment, CONUS-personnel training and training equipment, technical assistance, publications and technical documentation, system drawings, U.S. Government and contractor engineering, and other related logistics elements necessary for full program support.
The principal contractors will be:
 BAE Advanced Systems in Greenlawn, NY
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 Lockheed Martin Missile and Fire Control in Dallas, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electro-Optical Systems in Garland, TX
 Northrop-Grumman Electronic Systems in Baltimore, MD
Turkish Aerospace Industries isn’t mentioned here, but they ended up with a contract to perform the upgrades on 36 F-16A/B aircraft. They’ve been doing similar work for Turkey, and for other F-16 customers in the Middle East.
There are no known offset agreements in connection with this proposed sale. Implementation of this proposed sale will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives.

InsideDefense.com makes the interesting observation that Pakistan doesn’t have 60 F-16s to upgrade . The clear implication is that the Pakistani government is interested in buying used F-16s and upgrading them, which proved to be the case. As part of the deal for new planes, in Sept 30/06 the USA also agreed to deliver 26 of the “Peace Gate III/IV” F-16A/B Block 15OCUs that had been ordered in 1988-1989, then embargoed when Pakistan tested nuclear weapons. After the embargo, the planes had been diverted for use as aggressor combat training aircraft by USAF and the US Navy.


F-16A/B Engine Modifications & UP/STAR – $151 Million
The third contract involves Engine Modifications and Falcon UP/STAR Structural Upgrades as well as associated equipment and services. The total value, if all options are exercised, could be as high as $151 million.
More specifically, the Government of Pakistan has requested engine improvements and structural modifications to its F-16 fleet, which includes a possible sale of:
 14 F100-PW-220E engines
 14 Falcon UP/STAR F-16 structural upgrade kits
 De-modification and preparation of 26 aircraft
 Support equipment, software development/integration, modification kits, spares and repair parts, flight test instrumentation, publications and technical documentation, personnel training and training equipment, U.S. Government and contractor technical and logistics personnel services, and other related requirements to support the program.
The principal contractors will be:
 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company in Fort Worth, TX
 United Technology Company subsidiary Pratt & Whitney in East Hartford, CT.
There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale, but implementation of the engine modifications and UP/STAR repairs will require multiple trips to Pakistan involving U.S. Government and contractor representatives for technical review/support, program management, and modification of the aircraft.
The date is June 28 2006.. Old story..
 

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This tube with an engine destroyed the myth of American air superiority in Vietnam war promoting them to rush for 4th gen fighters
Yeah, not really... American F-104 & F-4 both held their own. Just readjusted their tactics. Mig-21 was not the fast, nimble interceptor to be made.

Do read actual accounts by American pilots.
 

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This tube with an engine destroyed the myth of American air superiority in Vietnam war promoting them to rush for 4th gen fighters
May be off-topic a bit, but you know what, those theories of threat from Mig 15 during Korean wars (the dreaded "Mig Alley") and NAM Mig-21s giving tough time to USAF/USN during Vietnam war were most of the time exaggerations of US's own arms lobby which wanted continuous funding for their up coming defense projects. May be Mig 15 and Mig 21 were effective in initial phase of war and quite capable on their own but the fact is that despite all of them the US has achieved air superiority and continued to conduct punitive strikes at will in both of these wars.

In fact, they realized pretty quickly about pitfalls of A2A missile warfare and made quickly changed their tactics to maintain air superiority. Whether they won the war or not, it's not my concern but for evaluating air operations, I will conclude victory once the air superiority is achieved on sustained basis.
 
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