If its any consolation, the superhornet and all variants of f 35 also have the same rate....
....i am just stating the facts here......for our first attempt at a modern fighter (that is, not counting marut and ajeet) its pretty good, even with that huge delta......
Yeah, i am good with that.....
Maximum sustained rate of turn will be 17 deg per sec and maximum attainable 30 deg per sec according to tejas.gov.in
That matches 21 second 360 loop we have seen.
About that, you know....if you watch all the videos, after the bahrain display tejas doesn't do the 360, and i am talking about horizontal, level flight 360.....if you look at aero india 2017, vayushakthi, aero india 2019, lima.....none of those....
...at bahrain though, it took 24-25 secs...It's pretty good almost similar to that of mirage 2k and if hal manages to reduce the empty weight of mk1a by 500kg then tejas will exceed the maneuverability of both mirage and f16
Could you share the video bro......
I'll have to find it . May take some time.
I reckon the tejas flown in Bahrain airshow was by a test pilot so he exactly knew what tejas can not the inexperienced iaf pilot in Lima or vayushaktiYeah, and ...one more thing
About that, you know....if you watch all the videos, after the bahrain display tejas doesn't do the 360, and i am talking about horizontal, level flight 360.....if you look at aero india 2017, vayushakthi, aero india 2019, lima.....none of those....
Bro the max turn rate is different from a level flight 360 okay, the aircraft trades altitude for energy and uses the energy to execute the turn....but still may lose much energy after it.....and its pretty clear that it is not done at level flight and it just reverses the direction....now this is more a practical manoeuvre rather than an airshow manoeuvres and tejas does it pretty well tooo..... but imho, these two can't be equated.....of you want a reference you can watch the bahrain video in which tejas does both manoeuvres in its display
I'm aware of that. That video loop shows average turn rate between str and itr but it's closer to str.Bro the max turn rate is different from a level flight 360 okay, the aircraft trades altitude for energy and uses the energy to execute the turn....but still may lose much energy after it.....and its pretty clear that it is not done at level flight and it just reverses the direction....now this is more a practical manoeuvre rather than an airshow manoeuvres and tejas does it pretty well tooo..... but imho, these two can't be equated.....of you want a reference you can watch the bahrain video in which tejas does both manoeuvres in its display
..... otherwise as i told you tejas does that max rate direction change lovely.....
Oh ok. Thanks.
Two good ones.
Nothing unusual brother...just what i told earlier....
And the aircraft does lose energy after all the turns, just like all other aircrafts.....Bro the max turn rate is different from a level flight 360 okay, the aircraft trades altitude for energy and uses the energy to execute the turn....but still may lose much energy after it.....and its pretty clear that it is not done at level flight and it just reverses the direction....now this is more a practical manoeuvre rather than an airshow manoeuvres and tejas does it pretty well tooo..... but imho, these two can't be equated.....of you want a reference you can watch the bahrain video in which tejas does both manoeuvres in its display
..... otherwise as i told you tejas does that max rate direction change lovely.....
Not the case in baharin it was a lsp which was able to go upto 8g
May be all this is due to some misunderstanding....let me try my best to clear it......Nothing unusual brother...just what i told earlier....
And the aircraft does lose energy after all the turns, just like all other aircrafts.....
Yeah about that, tejas doesn't do such a turn at no other airshow after bahrain...and completing other manoeuvres in 21 secs won't count for STR estimation.....that's what i have been saying....nilesh and indranil are the most believable ones to trust when it comes to editorials on tejas...and they wrote that DDR article i shared.....
Yeah about that, tejas doesn't do such a turn at no other airshow after bahrain...and completing other manoeuvres in 21 secs won't count for STR estimation.....that's what i have been saying....nilesh and indranil are the most believable ones to trust when it comes to editorials on tejas...and they wrote that DDR article i shared.....
Yes it is. IAF made in official description of the display during Lima 2019. That describes it has loop followed by minimum-radius-turn. So that move it does at almost every show is definitely 360° max rate turn.Nothing unusual brother...just what i told earlier....
And the aircraft does lose energy after all the turns, just like all other aircrafts.....
No no don't misunderstand me...... I took that video just to make it clear that these types of turns are the ones you need to estimate STR.... in all other manoeuvres a lot of other variables also come into play....
...so that's it....i said I didn't want a squabble and i can see that this is probably leading to one...and i don't want one......so why don't we end it as @IndianHawk said, respecting each others views.....no hard feelings....
Well you're wrong... Now I'm sure, as IAF themselves described that double turn maneuver in recent displays as loop+min-radius-turn & they all take 20sec now. Bahrain... Lima... Aero India... Defexpo...No no don't misunderstand me...... I took that video just to demonstrate that these types of turns are the ones you need to estimate STR.... in all other manoeuvres a lot of other variables also come into play....
And ^that probably is outdated data too. Fuckers clearly haven't updated since 2015... The MTOW from 12500kg is 14100kg now. They will try for 14500kg soon I hear.
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