Laser/Beam weapons

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The only real problem I see with this AURA setup is having a compact power supply to supply the many joules needed for a laser??
Right LF. This laser setup miniaturization will be one of the toughest job. Also AURA design will be frozen in next couple of years so if to incorporate such laser defense on AURA, it'll require fundamental changes. I just hope they craft AURA/AMCA keeping in mind forward compatibility. `

Maybe AMCA being twin-engined can facilitate for airborne laser defense.
 
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We are not talking about UAV alone, UAV equipped with this weapon wont be mass produced.
The enemy would not know which in a flock of these UAV's is carrying the weapon?? But I do agree it is an expensive gamble.
 

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I think airborne laser systems like AURA/YAL-1 will be inducted to keep them on active surveillance patrol.

Regarding range, It'll depend what type of laser system we'll employ.

So far Pulsed systems are successful. Combination of space & non-space assets will assure the kill. Because even if one system misses or achieves partial success, other system can complement & finish the job because pulse systems may take significant recharge time.
Since the range of this weapon is 2000km we cant intercept the missiles in boost phase if they are launched deep inside china using UAVs. So imo satellites have more advantages than UAVs still we are assuming lot of things which may very well change in next 10-15 years. For interception in terminal phase our land based assets can do that job .
 

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Since the range of this weapon is 2000km we cant intercept the missiles in boost phase if they are launched deep inside china using UAVs. So imo satellites have more advantages than UAVs still we are assuming lot of things which may very well change in next 10-15 years. For interception in terminal phase our land based assets can do that job .
Prime aim of airborne laser defense was to destroy missiles in boost phase, so airborne system will no doubt intercept incoming missiles well before in boost phase being stationed near borders. We can not just rely on satellites, they are very vulnerable.
 

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Since the range of this weapon is 2000km we cant intercept the missiles in boost phase if they are launched deep inside china using UAVs. So imo satellites have more advantages than UAVs still we are assuming lot of things which may very well change in next 10-15 years. For interception in terminal phase our land based assets can do that job .
The range of the laser is not 2000km. It is 8 km and lesser. They are effective only on airborne platforms and are mere prototypes. They will not see active service until after 2025.
 

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Prime aim of airborne laser defense was to destroy missiles in boost phase, so airborne system will no doubt intercept incoming missiles well before in boost phase being stationed near borders. We can not just rely on satellites, they are very vulnerable.
Nrj, Boost phase is too short, we need to intercept before the missile reaches the midcourse, it can be achieved using satellites since satellites will be online all time, if we have any UAV airborne means then we can use it or else we might miss the chance to intercept in boost phase.

The range of the laser is not 2000km. It is 8 km and lesser. They are effective only on airborne platforms and are mere prototypes. They will not see active service until after 2025.
India is planning to develop laser weapon systems that can be Submarine, Surface Ship, Airborne and Land-Based to intercept an incoming missile launched from a distance of up to 2,000 km away
http://www.janes.com/articles/Janes-Land-Based-Air-Defence/India-Laser-Weapon-Systems-India.html
To intercept in boost phase its range must be around 2000km,
 

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Nrj, Boost phase is too short, we need to intercept before the missile reaches the midcourse, it can be achieved using satellites since satellites will be online all time, if we have any UAV airborne means then we can use it or else we might miss the chance to intercept in boost phase.
US developed/developing airborne laser system to achieve boost-phase destruction. Aircrafts housing laser system can destroy missiles in boost phase itself. Satellites can also do the job but we can't rely only on satellites. If Sats are down, only chance is to get the job done via airborne platforms.

Even if one satellite fails it'll trouble functioning of rest. Airborne platforms will not be easy to detect among flock like LF said. Also if Naval fighters are equipped with laser defense, one can also defend and/or attack multiple targets which satellites may not cover.
 

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US developed/developing airborne laser system to achieve boost-phase destruction. Aircrafts housing laser system can destroy missiles in boost phase itself. Satellites can also do the job but we can't rely only on satellites. If Sats are down, only chance is to get the job done via airborne platforms.

Even if one satellite fails it'll trouble functioning of rest. Airborne platforms will not be easy to detect among flock like LF said. Also if Naval fighters are equipped with laser defense, one can also defend and/or attack multiple targets which satellites may not cover.
To overcome these disadvantages of satellites we need both the platforms to attain 100 percent efficiency because deploying these systems in aircrafts also has some major disadvantages. Anyway we can only wait and see how they are going to deploy.
 

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YAL-1



I hope Indian system avoids the drawbacks faced by US experiment .
 

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To intercept in boost phase its range must be around 2000km,
You misunderstood the article. The laser defence is only for distances of 8km and less. The missile's that can be targeted will be 2000km and less range missiles.

Boost phase intercept is only for theatre BMs. It requires an air breathing platform carrying a missile or laser to kill the BM during boost. In the US it is handled by F-15 and YAL-1.

The 8km is only initially. But I guess future range will be in a few hundred Km. 2000 Km is too much for a 25KW laser. Even the YAL-1 with a 1000KW laser is being designed for 300Km to 600Km range.
 

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Then i guess we can forget about using it in satellite and UAVs.
 

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an another star war concept by Indian scientist's,though developed it can possibly the only deterrent effective against MIRV's,i dont think our anti ballistic missile cover can tackle that.
 

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http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Yale_scientists_build_anti-laser_999.html

Yale scientists build 'anti-laser'

U.S. researchers have announced the development of the world's first "anti-laser," a device that can absorb and cancel out a laser beam.

Scientists at Yale University say the silicon-based device can absorb an incoming laser beam entirely, converting its light to heat energy, the BBC reported Thursday. The technology could lead to a new generation of supercomputers using light rather than electrons, the researchers say.

The anti-laser device can focus two laser beams of a specific frequency into an optical cavity made from silicon, trapping the incoming beams of light and causing them to bounce around until all their energy is dissipated in the form of heat.

Changing the wavelength of the incoming light switches the anti-laser on and off, creating an optical switch that could be the basis of a very fast optically-based computer.

Using silicon to create the anti-laser means optical components could be manufactured using current technology, researchers say, since the material is already widely used in computing.

One thing the anti-laser will not do is create a "shield" against a high-power laser weapon, the researchers say.

"The energy gets dissipated as heat," Yale professor Douglas Stone says. "So if someone sets a laser on you with enough power to fry you, the anti-laser won't stop you from frying."
 

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US cutting airborne laser program

http://vz.ru/economy/2011/2/11/467986.html

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On the background of significant federal budget spending on health and social insurance the Pentagon with its own budget in the $ 700 billion hit to the center of attention of officials, seeking to reduce federal spending.

U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has already announced the reduction of military budget by 78 billion dollars over five years. But his criticism of the camp of anti-war liberals and conservative deficit hawks argue that this is not enough to deal with hovering over the U.S. government budget deficit crisis.

Keywords: weapons, U.S. Army, reducing the
Against this background, the draft aviation laser may seem a suitable goal, says the American edition. Despite the long history of development, the laser is still powerful enough to shoot down missiles at a distance.

Critics argue that in fact the aircraft with a laser - it's just flying a chemical plant, tanks filled with toxic materials that are used to feed the laser.

Aircraft laser in the United States dates back to the 70-ies. The Americans tried to create an energy beam of such power that would allow them to shoot down a missile at a distance of several hundred kilometers.

This required enormous energy costs: the beam is no longer valid at large distances. In addition, engineers had to solve the task of leveling the atmospheric distortions that make it difficult aiming.

The program received a new development in the 90's, when he was tasked by the year 2001 to build aircraft capable of missile interception. But by the end of his reign, the administration of Bill Clinton tried to stop its funding. But then the project has survived.

In 2009, Robert Gates lashed out at aviation laser, said at a speech in Congress, that "does not know a single person in uniform, who would think that this concept works." Despite this position of Defense, the program was continued.

In February last year she reached the first and last success: a laser mounted on a Boeing 747, shot down a ballistic missile from the California Coast. However, further attempts to build on the success of developers have failed.

According to Robert Gates, even if the development of the laser is finished, in order to create an efficient fleet of aircraft equipped with these weapons, the U.S. must build a 10-20 Boeing 747. And each of them would cost the budget 1.5 billion dollars.

However, the struggle for the project can proceed. If the Obama administration will not support funding for Aviation laser to defend the program will stand his supporters from the Republican Party, for which the ability to shoot down enemy missiles is a key component of national defense.

"I think none of us will not stand aside and not allow the President's Administration to weaken the missile defense" - said a longtime Republican lobbyist aircraft laser Trent Franks
 

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Navy Laser Sets Ship on Fire


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With clouds overhead in the salty air, irritable Pacific waves swelled to up to four feet. Perfect conditions, in other words, for the Navy to fry a small boat with a laser beam — a major step toward its futuristic arsenal of ray guns.

Researchers mounted the Maritime Laser Demonstrator, a solid-state laser, aboard the USS Paul Foster, a decommissioned destroyer. Off the central California coast near San Nicholas Island on Wednesday, the laser fired a 15-kilowatt beam at an inflatable motorboat a mile away as both ships moved through the sea. As the above video shows, there was a flash on the boat's outboard engines, igniting both of them in seconds, and leaving the ship dead in the choppy waters.

All previous tests of the laser have come on land — steady, steady land — aside from an October test of the targeting systems. But for the first time, the Office of Naval Research has proven that its laser can operate in a "no-kidding maritime environment," says its proud director, Rear Adm. Nevin Carr.

"I spent my life at sea," Carr says in an interview with Danger Room, "and I never thought we'd see this kind of progress this quickly, where we're approaching a decision of when we can put laser weapons on ships."

Fewer than three years after the Navy awarded Northrop Grumman a contract worth up to $98 million to build the Maritime Laser Demonstrator, it's proven able to cause "catastrophic failure" on a moving target at sea the first time out, says Quentin Saulter, one of ONR's top laser gurus.

"When we were doing the shot and the engine went, there was elation in the control room," he says. "It's a big step, a proof of principle for directed energy weapons."

The Navy hopes that by the next decade, solid state lasers — which generate powerful beams of light by running electrons through crystals or glass — will be aboard its surface ships, disabling enemy vessels and eventually burning incoming missiles out of the sky. That latter goal will take at least 100 kilowatts of power.

But a beam in the tens of kilowatts, ONR proved this week, is deadly, accurate and, Carr says, "can be operated in existing power levels and cooling levels on ships today."

Solid state lasers are just the beginning. The Navy's also working on a much more powerful Free Electron Laser weapon thanks to ONR's research. That laser works across multiple wavelengths, compensating for debris in the sea air, to cut through 2,000 feet of steel per second once it gets up to megawatt class. Its electron injectors are ahead of schedule and ONR expects it to be ready in the 2020s, though after its solid state cousins are operative.

Next up will be to "develop the tactics, the techniques, the procedures and the safety procedures that sailors are going need to develop" to wield laser weapons, Carr says. And then it's time to scale up the laser's power.

"This is an important data point," the admiral says, "but I still want the Megawatt death ray."
 
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Sarsawat: DRDO Should Initiate Work on High Power Microwave Directed Energy Weapons

http://kuku.sawf.org/News/66687.aspx

April 10, 2011, (Sawf News) - Dr Vijay Kumar Saraswat, Scientific Adviser to Raksha Mantri, on Saturday, April 9, said DRDO should initiate work on High Power Microwave Directed Energy Weapons and Vacuum Microwave Electronic Devices (VMED) to meet the futuristic requirement of services.

VMED synergize the technology of vacuum and solid state devices having promise for High Power Microwave Devices.

Sarsawat was addressing DRDO scientists in Bangalore while on a visit to the Microwave Tube R&D Centre (MTRDC), where he inaugurated the J. C. Bose Microwave Tube Facility for development of microwave tubes for use in radars.

J. C. Bose Microwave Tube Facility houses state-of-art precision fabrication machinery, high-voltage test facilities, environment test facilities and High-Power Microwave (HPM) generation and diagnostics facilities.

It is a part MTRDC, a constituent laboratory of Defense Research & Development Organization (DRDO), which is co-located at BEL, Bangalore.

MTRDC carries out research on microwave tubes for defense applications of radars and electronic warfare systems.

A Microwave Power Module (MPM), developed by MTRDC and produced by Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL), was handed over to the Program Director (Akash) during the event.

The Microwave Power Module (MPM) will be fitted on the Flight Level Radar (FLR) of Akash missile systems being supplied to the IAF and the Indian Army.

It is significant that the first FLR System is rolling out from BEL with this MPM, Sarsawat said.

He pointed out that the MPM produced for FLR system is a perfect example of BEL-DRDO synergy.
 

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Laser gun fired from US navy ship

Laser gun fired from US navy ship

11 April 2011 Last updated at 07:47 ET; BBC News

Click to see video: A high-energy laser (HEL) fired from a US warship off the California coast has ignited a nearby boat. Video courtesy of the US Office of Naval Research.

The US Navy has fired a laser gun from one of its ships for the first time.

Researchers used the high-energy laser (HEL) to disable a boat by setting fire to its engines off the coast of California.

Similar systems had previously been tested on land, however moist sea air presented an extra challenge as it reduces a beam's power.

The navy said that ship-borne lasers could eventually be used to protect vessels from small attack boats.

The US military has been experimenting with laser weapons since the 1970s.

Early systems used large, chemical-based lasers which tended to produce dangerous waste gases.

More recently, scientists have developed solid state lasers that combine large numbers of compact beam generators, similar to LEDs.

HELs fire

The US Navy system uses a Joint High Power Solid State Laser mounted on deck
Until now, much of the development of HELs has focused on shooting down missiles or hitting land-based targets.

The latest round of tests showed its wider possibilities, according to Peter Morrison from the Office of Naval Research.

"This test provides an important data point as we move toward putting directed energy on warships.

"There is still much work to do to make sure it's done safely and efficiently," he said.

While a weaponised system would likely be restricted to military vessels, merchant shipping has also expressed an interest in laser technogy,

A gun which uses visible laser light to temporarily blind pirates was announced by BAE Systems in 2010.

The technology is still being tested, ahead of a commercial launch.

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13033437
 

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