Kulbhushan Jadhav - Developments

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Paki spinning ICJ verdict into victory. lol. If Paki don't care about consular access then why did they fight in ICJ for not giving consular access to Jadhav?

They are also saying ICJ accepted verdict of kangaroo court but Paki intellect is too low to understand that without the presence of attorney/ lawyer, whatever client says or coerced to say is automatically invalid.
 

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Paki spinning ICJ verdict into victory. lol. If Paki don't care about consular access then why did they fight in ICJ for not giving consular access to Jadhav?

They are also saying ICJ accepted verdict of kangaroo court but Paki intellect is too low to understand that without the presence of attorney/ lawyer, whatever client says or coerced to say is automatically invalid.
Almost all of their international cases have seen similar "victories" recently.
 

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Paki spinning ICJ verdict into victory. lol. If Paki don't care about consular access then why did they fight in ICJ for not giving consular access to Jadhav?

They are also saying ICJ accepted verdict of kangaroo court but Paki intellect is too low to understand that without the presence of attorney/ lawyer, whatever client says or coerced to say is automatically invalid.
I telling this again and again pakistan as a states survival is actually 90 per cent narrative and only 10 per cent other factors.

The reason their military controls their narrative a lot is such that they can take 1000s of dead soldiers and they do die alot but they cannot survive few humiliations as a country our efforts should be specifically to humiliate them as this actually does for damage.
 

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A country born of a lie, continues to shamelessly defend the indefensible.
 

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I telling this again and again pakistan as a states survival is actually 90 per cent narrative and only 10 per cent other factors.

The reason their military controls their narrative a lot is such that they can take 1000s of dead soldiers and they do die alot but they cannot survive few humiliations as a country our efforts should be specifically to humiliate them as this actually does for damage.
When verdict was coming out, paki handles on Twitter, PDF and some paid journalists accounts went into hyper drive. These are all mujra gafoora online proxies trying to save paki army face.

If paki wouldn't have ad hoc judge, they would have lost 15-0 on eight counts.

And what will ICJ and fellow judges think of paki judge? He's standing alone and is clearly biased.

When ICJ saw conduct of paki judge in ICJ then how can they trust paki civil courts either? Pakiland made itself a banana republic internationally, both by losing case and conduct of paki judge.
 

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These bastards were ready to execute him after their military court gave him the death penalty.

ICJ stayed his illegal execution. That was India's first victory now It has asked their public courts to review the judgement and give councillor access. These cowards denied his access on multiple occasions.

Mr Salve made sure he mows down every bit of their Military courts probably being run by illiterate clowns like their ISPR spokesperson Gafoor. But he also taught their Public court's many lessons in criminal jurisprudence knowing they soon will be adjudicating his case as their Military court's verdict was nothing but primitive and laughable.
 

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Now it's imperative Indian govt seek KJ's consular access asap before paki beat him half to death.

First step is to take KJ to paki govt hospital and check all vitals. Then we should assure him that we will get him out otherwise he may not speak out truth ever.

We should show him ICJ judgement and ignite a ray of hope in him. Pakis would have made him a drug addict, senseless zombie by now unable to corroborate his own story
 

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When verdict was coming out, paki handles on Twitter, PDF and some paid journalists accounts went into hyper drive. These are all mujra gafoora online proxies trying to save paki army face.

If paki wouldn't have ad hoc judge, they would have lost 15-0 on eight counts.

And what will ICJ and fellow judges think of paki judge? He's standing alone and is clearly biased.

When ICJ saw conduct of paki judge in ICJ then how can they trust paki civil courts either? Pakiland made itself a banana republic internationally, both by losing case and conduct of paki judge.
These snakes do not deserve a seat on the high table anywhere.
 

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Now it's imperative Indian govt seek KJ's consular access asap before paki beat him half to death.

First step is to take KJ to paki govt hospital and check all vitals. Then we should assure him that we will get him out otherwise he may not speak out truth ever.

We should show him ICJ judgement and ignite a ray of hope in him. Pakis would have made him a drug addict, senseless zombie by now unable to corroborate his own story
Anything done to him good or bad can be used to screw Pakistan. I dare Pakistan to overdo it and face the consequences.
 

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It was quite evident from day1 that he'll never be returned. This case has gathered a lot of popularity among paki awam. This will continue happening unless we act hard against paki army. No trial of terrorists. Burn their bodies. Nab Dawood ASAP.
I don't see the current dispensation having the desire to go ahead if their is no political dividend to be gained.

India's primary objective at the ICJ was to get stay on the execution and relief on the plea for consular access. Although we had requested that he be set free, this was mostly Just a statement. In order for the ICJ to set Kulbhushan free, it had to go into the merits of the the case, which, not being not a criminal court, was beyond the scope of the ICJ.
The stay is temporary, pending a proposed review.

As per Harish Salve's statement to the press, if Mr. Jadhav is retried by a military court, India will reapproach the ICJ; if however, he is tried and sentenced by a civilian court, not sure what recourse we will have in such a situation.

Annulling the decision was never expected. ICJ only ruled on Paki not adhering to Vienna convention. If Paki could afford India consular access of Jadhav and his open trial in civilian court, they would have never spent millions on fighting case in ICJ. Whole world saw how nervously Paki let Jadhav meet his family separated by glass.

'Court has jurisdiction to entertain India's application'
Judgment: Unanimous

'Court rejects Pak's objections on admissibility of India's application'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Pak has breached obligations incumbent upon it'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Pak violated Vienna Convention on Consular Relations'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Pak deprived India the right to communicate with Kulbhushan Jadhav'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Pakistan is under an obligation to inform Kulbhushan Jadhav without further delay of his rights'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Pak should provide effective review and reconsideration of the conviction and sentence of Kulbhushan Jadhav'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour

'Continued stay of execution constitutes an indispensable condition'
Judgment: Fifteen votes to one in India's favour
Money is not a major issue in such situations. It's propoganda for their public, which the Porkie state already spends a significant amount on.

My point was that there is little to celebrate considering the larger scheme of things.
 

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I don't see the current dispensation having the desire to go ahead if their is no political dividend to be gained.



The stay is temporary, pending a proposed review.

As per Harish Salve's statement to the press, if Mr. Jadhav is retried by a military court, India will reapproach the ICJ; if however, he is tried and sentenced by a civilian court, not sure what recourse we will have in such a situation.



Money is not a major issue in such situations. It's propoganda for their public, which the Porkie state already spends a significant amount on.

My point was that there is little to celebrate considering the larger scheme of things.
Our legal options depends on getting his retrial moved to a Civil court and then get state prosecution to file fresh charges and list evidence. I'm sure even in a backward country like Pakistan, confessions obtained under duress is not admissible as evidence in civil court of law. But I admit we are in for a legal battle that may stretch out for several years, unless the two govt can strike out back room deal.
 

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Our legal options depends on getting his retrial moved to a Civil court and then get state prosecution to file fresh charges and list evidence. I'm sure even in a backward country like Pakistan, confessions obtained under duress is not admissible as evidence in civil court of law. But I admit we are in for a legal battle that may stretch out for several years, unless the two govt can strike out back room deal.
There is hardly anything in Pakiland that can be called 'civil'. The so called Civil courts hanged one democratically elected PM, exiled another, convicted another on flimsy grounds!!

Just because India has kick ass lawyers it doesn't mean that they can argue the case in Pakiland. India will need to appoint a Paki lawyer....who will be almost impossible to find because all bar associations threatened to disbar anyone representing Jadhav (can you imagine this in any civilized country?). Also, even if a lawyer is found there is high risk that Pakis will threaten him to become their mole!

Finally, moving to a civil court is not a option that India can exercise. The dumbass ICJ allowed Pakis to perform the 'review & reconsideration' in a manner of their choosing!!! Very likely that a bunch of Paki generals will smoke cigars in a closed room and then come out saying that the review is done & sentence is upheld!!
 

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There is hardly anything in Pakiland that can be called 'civil'. The so called Civil courts hanged one democratically elected PM, exiled another, convicted another on flimsy grounds!!

Just because India has kick ass lawyers it doesn't mean that they can argue the case in Pakiland. India will need to appoint a Paki lawyer....who will be almost impossible to find because all bar associations threatened to disbar anyone representing Jadhav (can you imagine this in any civilized country?). Also, even if a lawyer is found there is high risk that Pakis will threaten him to become their mole!

Finally, moving to a civil court is not a option that India can exercise. The dumbass ICJ allowed Pakis to perform the 'review & reconsideration' in a manner of their choosing!!! Very likely that a bunch of Paki generals will smoke cigars in a closed room and then come out saying that the review is done & sentence is upheld!!
We will have to work under the constraints imposed by circumstances over which we have no control. It is not given that pakistan will move the case to a civil court, this will probably require India to work with foreign powers to exert pressure on Pakistan to oblige.
 

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As per Harish Salve's statement to the press, if Mr. Jadhav is retried by a military court, India will reapproach the ICJ; if however, he is tried and sentenced by a civilian court, not sure what recourse we will have in such a situation.
How can Harish Salve make such a claim (not sure I heard that either in his press conf)?
India specially asked ICJ for the case to be retried in civilian court and urged that a mere 'review & reconsideration' would be grossly inadequate.

ICJ repeated India's ask of such remedies & but said that it can only grant 'review & reconsideration' that too in a manner of PAKI CHOOSING!!!

Given the above, how can Harish Salve complain to ICJ if the case is not retried in civilian court (a demand that was rejected by ICJ!)?

If I remember correctly, Harish Salve said that he'll go back to ICJ if he felt that the 'review' was not being done in a thorough & honest manner (I am paraphrasing)
 

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